Shad0z Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, KingSong69 said: @Shad0z Just one thought: Would you please check if any of the Motor connectors or another part of the cable/wires Looks damaged??? This mosfet Looks so heavily damaged, like something melted onto the top....i remember from my Tesla that the Motor connectors where laying -very stupid- over the board... So perhaps something else and not the mosfet itself is the cuplrit of the damage.... nope everything was fine, but the mosfet.. ehh looks like it was just shipped from a coal mine... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Gotway needs to find better mosfets! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" said: Gotway needs to find better mosfets! its not like it should be hard or expensive to use better mosfets.. theyre dirt cheap and many variants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Maaaaan, that sucks. I was actually starting to come around on these gotways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Nice. I just order a Tesla from @Jason McNeilthinking I would be safe! I will probably return it now and wait for the Z One. Edited March 6, 2018 by Rehab1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Nice. I just order a Tesla from Jason thinking I would be safe! I will probably return it now and wait for the Z One. listen to all the other people who have it martys is fine. mine was probably because i braked too hard and i didn't think braking could do anything with mosfets but i was wrong. to be honest i dont really remember if it was my fault of leaning hard or if i just leaned slightly. but i wouldn't blame it on the tesla drive slower no hard accelerations or brakes. Then it should be one of the safest things you can get. Nine or doesn't have a good history with mosfets either you could be waiting for nothing Edited March 6, 2018 by Shad0z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Nice. I just order a Tesla from @Jason McNeilthinking I would be safe! I will probably return it now and wait for the Z One. You are kidding, or? Safe in what terms? I know without any problems about 5-6 of such "out of the blue" failures..... 47 minutes ago, Shad0z said: listen to all the other peoplefinho have it martys is fine. mine was probably because i braked too hard and i didn't think braking could do anything with mosfets but i was wrong. to be honest i dont really remember if it was my fault of leaning hard or if i just leaned slightly. but i wouldn't blame it on the tesla drive slower no hard accelerations or brakes. Then it should be one of the safest things you can get. Nine or doesn't have a good history with mosfets either you could be waiting for nothing Come on, man! You dont have to find a excuse for Gotway....their reputation quality wise is garbage anyway. First it was "out of nowwhere" riding into the blue, then it was "perhaps sligtly" breaking, now it was breaking to hard??? And whom not to blame when not the Tesla? Is braking not allowed anymore on a Gotway? Downplaying such accidents does not help the EUC Community, the opposite is truth. When nobody kicks into GW's ass...they will never improve with their 3rd party PCB. And to all others: No, iam not just a KS Fanboy, at the moment i have a Monster and ACm myself and owned the Tesla before! I really would LOVE to have a safe, reliable wheel.... The performance of the Tesla is kick-ass, but what does this help, when the chances of a defect board are driving alltime with me? I guess i really will start to recommend to newbies to take all but NOT a Gotway! Here in the forum, where us freaks are and know about the risks, its ok to drive a performance dangerous wheel like that(while the truth is that this is also NOT Ok)...but not for a newbie who is barely knowing the technique and just raises eyebrows when hearing of a MOSwhat?!!! Really: GW quality sucks! When i received my Tesla, i opened it up. The capacitors where bent over 90degree away from the board, i would guess drawing on a wire when installing batterys has done that. My motor connectors where lying over the board/Moswhats...when the shrinktube would have just sligtly melted that would have mean catastrophic electric short. On the "v3" version now they introduced air vents in the shell. Good luck to former owners. "v2"? Aaah V2 have been the new sidepads which dont cut through the motor wire anymore:-) Good luck to former owners, but sorry, i-i mean Gotway- repeat myself. In the early we have people had shorts, then mystery falls out of the blue with the wheel still working after,then some typical mosfets burns.....The Version iterations and and and... I really dont get it anymore!!! Aaah wait the fun begins again now: First MCM5 are in beta-test now, whats next???? Sorry,grumpy rant over :-) 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Shad0z said: too hard and i didn't think braking could do anything with mosfets but i was wrong. I am just tired of hearing about blow mosfets especially when there are higher quality components available. This may sound outrageous but I would gladly spend an extra $3000 on a wheel to be safe instead of going through another $30k surgery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Sorry,grumpy rant over :-) I greatly appreciate your rant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: Nice. I just order a Tesla from @Jason McNeilthinking I would be safe! I will probably return it now and wait for the Z One. Really??? And when the first report of a Z failure what will you do? Unfortunately @Shad0z has experienced a premature failure (he's had a lot of bad luck with his Tesla), but I don't think we can then generalize to all Tesla's. But what do I know, maybe we can. I think I'll take my Tesla for a 25-mile beach ride today 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: You are kidding, or? Safe in what terms? I know without any problems about 5-6 of such "out of the blue" failures..... Come on, man! You dont have to find a excuse for Gotway....their reputation quality wise is garbage anyway. First it was "out of nowwhere" riding into the blue, then it was "perhaps sligtly" breaking, now it was breaking to hard??? And whom not to blame when not the Tesla? Is braking not allowed anymore on a Gotway? Downplaying such accidents does not help the EUC Community, the opposite is truth. When nobody kicks into GW's ass...they will never improve with their 3rd party PCB. And to all others: No, iam not just a KS Fanboy, at the moment i have a Monster and ACm myself and owned the Tesla before! I really would LOVE to have a safe, reliable wheel.... The performance of the Tesla is kick-ass, but what does this help, when the chances of a defect board are driving alltime with me? I guess i really will start to recommend to newbies to take all but NOT a Gotway! Here in the forum, where us freaks are and know about the risks, its ok to drive a performance dangerous wheel like that(while the truth is that this is also NOT Ok)...but not for a newbie who is barely knowing the technique and just raises eyebrows when hearing of a MOSwhat?!!! Really: GW quality sucks! When i received my Tesla, i opened it up. The capacitors where bent over 90degree away from the board, i would guess drawing on a wire when installing batterys has done that. My motor connectors where lying over the board/Moswhats...when the shrinktube would have just sligtly melted that would have mean catastrophic electric short. On the "v3" version now they introduced air vents in the shell. Good luck to former owners. "v2"? Aaah V2 have been the new sidepads which dont cut through the motor wire anymore:-) Good luck to former owners, but sorry, i-i mean Gotway- repeat myself. In the early we have people had shorts, then mystery falls out of the blue with the wheel still working after,then some typical mosfets burns.....The Version iterations and and and... I really dont get it anymore!!! Aaah wait the fun begins again now: First MCM5 are in beta-test now, whats next???? Sorry,grumpy rant over :-) THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END or so it would seem after reading this rant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: You are kidding, or? Safe in what terms? I know without any problems about 5-6 of such "out of the blue" failures..... Come on, man! You dont have to find a excuse for Gotway....their reputation quality wise is garbage anyway. First it was "out of nowwhere" riding into the blue, then it was "perhaps sligtly" breaking, now it was breaking to hard??? And whom not to blame when not the Tesla? Is braking not allowed anymore on a Gotway? Downplaying such accidents does not help the EUC Community, the opposite is truth. When nobody kicks into GW's ass...they will never improve with their 3rd party PCB. And to all others: No, iam not just a KS Fanboy, at the moment i have a Monster and ACm myself and owned the Tesla before! I really would LOVE to have a safe, reliable wheel.... The performance of the Tesla is kick-ass, but what does this help, when the chances of a defect board are driving alltime with me? I guess i really will start to recommend to newbies to take all but NOT a Gotway! Here in the forum, where us freaks are and know about the risks, its ok to drive a performance dangerous wheel like that(while the truth is that this is also NOT Ok)...but not for a newbie who is barely knowing the technique and just raises eyebrows when hearing of a MOSwhat?!!! Really: GW quality sucks! When i received my Tesla, i opened it up. The capacitors where bent over 90degree away from the board, i would guess drawing on a wire when installing batterys has done that. My motor connectors where lying over the board/Moswhats...when the shrinktube would have just sligtly melted that would have mean catastrophic electric short. On the "v3" version now they introduced air vents in the shell. Good luck to former owners. "v2"? Aaah V2 have been the new sidepads which dont cut through the motor wire anymore:-) Good luck to former owners, but sorry, i-i mean Gotway- repeat myself. In the early we have people had shorts, then mystery falls out of the blue with the wheel still working after,then some typical mosfets burns.....The Version iterations and and and... I really dont get it anymore!!! Aaah wait the fun begins again now: First MCM5 are in beta-test now, whats next???? Sorry,grumpy rant over :-) so what happened actually: i was riding around cold weather just got on it. then i braked hard but not like full lean from 0-10 of braking force where 10 is shooting yourself backward as hard as possible. it was around 5 harder than normal but not really that much. and it fell to the ground.. wtf gotway? maybe i braked a little hard but i mean for a mosfet to fail at this level.. unacceptable.. i agree with your rant and at one point not gotway QC needs to improve. a few components need and upgrade in quality. and then we would be there but if youre taking risk and you do get a good board (no way to know before too late) and dont ride to max speed then youre *safe* it reminds me of quantum physichs.. there is no way to know where something is unless you observe it but because these particles are so small when you observe them they move because theyre hit with light to be observable like if you want to *observe* if you gotway is safe you ride it and by riding it you see ok this time its safe. but you dont know if it will next time.. but there is still (probability) and mine was very low but low is not none and it will happen for someone.. Edited March 6, 2018 by Shad0z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 58 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END or so it would seem after reading this rant it is.. from me having bad luck to world ending rants and people cancelling their tesla orders?? holy damn what have i done??? well i guess my bad luck can have an effect on other people too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Shad0z said: it is.. from me having bad luck to world ending rants and people cancelling their tesla orders?? holy damn what have i done??? well i guess my bad luck can have an effect on other people too I think it must be Putin. He must have found a way to hack Gotway software to cause premature mosfet failure.I guess he invests in Bot or Song. I really need to avoid CNN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charles McLean Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, Shad0z said: it reminds me of quantum physichs.. there is no way to know where something is unless you observe it but because these particles are so small when you observe them they move because theyre hit with light to be observable So, it's like Schrodinger's wheel ... you are both simultaneously alive and dead while riding your Gotway. Hahahahaha ... 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer" Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Charles McLean said: So, it's like Schrodinger's wheel ... you are both simultaneously alive and dead while riding your Gotway. Hahahahaha ... So that's what killed the cat........IT WAS A GOTWAY! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charles McLean Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 I will say that I love both my Tesla and MSuper V3s+ and I have over 300 miles on my Tesla with no issue yet (knock on wood) and 200+ miles on my MSuper V3s+ and I have ridden both wheels EXTREMELY HARD with not so much as a slight hiccup from either wheel that I would attribute to quality control issues. But, for my 13 year old daughter, I bought her a Kingsong 14D, precisely for the past quality control and reliability issues of the Gotway wheels. While, I know I'm pretty diligent about wearing my gear and I like to push the limits of my wheels, I just feel better knowing my daughter is riding a KingSong. So, take that for what it's worth. I'll take chances with me, but never with my daughter. So, KingSong all the way for her! 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Williams Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I haven’t even watched a tear down of a Tesla yet but I got mine last Friday and this is making me wanna pop the shell and just get a look at this thing I trust my life with every time I get on it. Sucks to hear about the failure. Glad you weren’t hurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted March 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Roo Williams said: I haven’t even watched a tear down of a Tesla yet but I got mine last Friday and this is making me wanna pop the shell and just get a look at this thing I trust my life with every time I get on it. Sucks to hear about the failure. Glad you weren’t hurt. I too am glad to hear that @Shad0z is OK after his misfortune with his Tesla. It is always harrowing to hear of someone having any kind of fall from their machine, even worse when the machine itself is at fault. As you have only recently received your Tesla, it would be prudent to open it up and just have a check how all the cables are sitting and any obvious signs of something that could cause a short or other issue. I followed the advice found in a video checking over his New Tesla for any such issues that was posted by @Bryan Wells, when I first got my Tesla. You can search for it under his name and see if it helps in carrying out the same checks, it may go some way at least to giving you a little peace of mind. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8ps Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Shad0z said: mine was probably because i braked too hard and i didn't think braking could do anything with mosfets Lol, now this here is a true example of a Gotway apologist. You braked too hard?? You should be able to brake as hard as you need too! You brake when going down steep hills, you brake when you are coming up on a curb you didn't see, you brake when a car pops out of a drive way, you brake all the time. Sometimes, you have to brake hard. I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. I was having slight buyer's remorse with the Kingsong 16S I bought due to the lower speed and range but this takes a lot of it away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, gr8ps said: Lol, now this here is a true example of a Gotway apologist. You braked too hard?? You should be able to brake as hard as you need too! You brake when going down steep hills, you brake when you are coming up on a curb you didn't see, you brake when a car pops out of a drive way, you brake all the time. Sometimes, you have to brake hard. I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. I was having slight buyer's remorse with the Kingsong 16S I bought due to the lower speed and range but this takes a lot of it away. Gotway makes crappy wheels for sure, but they are the fastest, longest range crappy wheels that you can get Choose your poison and be happy with what you ride. I prefer powerful 50-mile wheels. I can deal with the periodic maintenance. Others prefer slow and safe. It's very personal and neither is better. As long as you are happy, that's what matters. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, gr8ps said: Lol, now this here is a true example of a Gotway apologist. You braked too hard?? You should be able to brake as hard as you need too! You brake when going down steep hills, you brake when you are coming up on a curb you didn't see, you brake when a car pops out of a drive way, you brake all the time. Sometimes, you have to brake hard. I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. I was having slight buyer's remorse with the Kingsong 16S I bought due to the lower speed and range but this takes a lot of it away. it was the crappy QC at gotway not me that blew the mosfet. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Henley Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Gotway makes crappy wheels for sure, but they are the fastest, longest range crappy wheels that you can get Choose your poison and be happy with what you ride. I prefer powerful 50-mile wheels. I can deal with the periodic maintenance. Others prefer slow and safe. It's very personal and neither is better. As long as you are happy, that's what matters. Even given all the little issues I’ve had with the used ACM I bought ...i think in the end I still love GW wheels. The 18L may be the game changer for the 18” category but that’s only one wheel . KS will still not be competing with GW in any other wheel size . But 18L isn’t here yet. They make damn good wheels over all and if someone is looking for something that requires pretty much no maintenance then I suppose they know what to buy (KS). But just like you , I’ll take performance over annoying safety features any day . Even if it means I need to do a bit of work here and there to keep it in optimal condition . Plus I really enjoy learning to do the work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott Henley said: Even given all the little issues I’ve had with the used ACM I bought ...i think in the end I still love GW wheels. The 18L may be the game changer for the 18” category but that’s only one wheel . KS will still not be competing with GW in any other wheel size . But 18L isn’t here yet. They make damn good wheels over all and if someone is looking for something that requires pretty much no maintenance then I suppose they know what to buy (KS). But just like you , I’ll take performance over annoying safety features any day . Even if it means I need to do a bit of work here and there to keep it in optimal condition . Plus I really enjoy learning to do the work. and afterall we still dont know if tje ks18l will be good or bad and maintinance? Well it can be needed on any wheel so youre not "safe choosing kingsong" youre just "safer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Henley Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shad0z said: and afterall we still dont know if tje ks18l will be good or bad and maintinance? Well it can be needed on any wheel so youre not "safe choosing kingsong" youre just "safer Nope . No clue . Looks good though. ? i know a few guys with 3000+k on their KS wheels that have never so much as needed to change a tube ....just saying . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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