Rehab1 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Oh man, when the radiologists write a short novel with lots of words you've never heard before that isn't good. I am seriously thinking of buying a set of these to wear while riding: https://www.betterbraces.com/donjoy-performance-bionic-fullstop-knee-brace @Rehab1 are there any less expensive ones available? Two would be $500 USD or $642 CAD, but it would be worth it if they can help avoid knee injuries. You are on a brace kick tonight. Something I should know about? We use DonJoy braces regularly but myself I would rather have protective knee pads that cover the knee cap in case of a fall. This brace would not protect your knee cap if it impacted a hard surface. I suppose you could place protective knee pads over the top of this brace. Then you would have the ultimate coverage.
steve454 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, novazeus said: open patella Why open patella? That's the most important part. Isn't it?
Rehab1 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, steve454 said: Why open patella? That's the most important part. Isn't it? The brace is designed to fully bend the knee and offer side to side support. With a closed patella it is both irritating and difficult to flex the knee.
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: Thanks for sharing your story. I'm new to this sport, but maybe it's time I stop thinking about it as a sport, and more like a conservative game of "See how long you can enjoy this without putting yourself in the hospital." I deal with depression as a mood disorder. If I was laid up for 6 months it would be a real struggle to stave off a major depression episode. Good luck with your recovery. Maybe some intense upper body aerobic exercise like a boxing speed bag or something will help keep your mind in a good place. i think it can be both. u notice these exciting commercials on tv, and they’ll say professional whatver, closed course. as long as u are thinking about everyone’s else safety first. how bad would u feel, even if it wasn’t technically ur fault. if ur wheel hit somebody else and they were permanently scarred for life. not to mention the monetary liability. possible criminal liability. i remember this nasty ass woman customer i had, custom home for her and her equally stupid nasty husband, she was getting sued because she was being an asshole in a grocery store and intentionally push her cart into somebody. soft tissue damage claims can be lucrative i hear. my hope, so people can stay with these fun wheels and not get banned is go fast and dress for it in a environment that won’t hurt anybody else. if ur on a sidewalk, with a full face helmet, shoulder pads, elbow pads, back protector, wristguards, gloves, leather jacket, kneepads, shin guards, knee braces, 8” military boots and a jockstrap and cup, u know, like @Marty Backe dresses and u hit someone, i don’t think plaintiffs attorney will have to work hard for a big settlement. but that’s exactly how u should dress for sport euc. if i was doing what marty was doing, i’d be right there but with gloves. maybe butt pads, hip pads. and a parachute.( i’m from florida)btw stay away from trees, not much give in them. if ur using them for electric assisted for the elderly(that’s my pitch) a little bicycle style helmet, i like gloves, and putt along the sidewalk at around 10 mph when u have room. that’s still 3 times as fast as walking, and zero impact on ur body. that’s all i want. if florida will give us twenty, i’ll take it, i really like all my wheels, my ks-18s is far and away my favorite, most comfortable. i could easily ride it slowly on a sidewalk around people because with that mattress pad taped on it, when i step off, it’s glued to my leg better than any of the little wheels. lot’s of traction. btw i unsheathed my ks-16s using the same mattress pad, it looks brand spanking new, not a blemished or a creak.
Marty Backe Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, novazeus said: a sidewalk, with a full face helmet, shoulder pads, elbow pads, back protector, wristguards, gloves, leather jacket, kneepads, shin guards, knee braces, 8” military boots and a jockstrap and cup, u know, like @Marty Backe dresses and u hit someone, i don’t think plaintiffs attorney will have to work hard for a big settlement. I have very good liability insurance
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I have very good liability insurance seriously, is that like a rider on ur homeowner’s? how does that work? i figured u must. i’m sure california has probably more scam artists than florida, and we got a bunch. btw, i remember something funny the other night, growing up in the country i guess kids had to entertain themselves. friends of mine grew up in lutz, and they would run along the side of cars and then throw a cardboard box under the wheels and then fall down on the shoulder of the road pretending to be hurt, just for meaness.
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Rehab1 said: You are on a brace kick tonight. Something I should know about? We use DonJoy braces regularly but myself I would rather have protective knee pads that cover the knee cap in case of a fall. This brace would not protect your knee cap if it impacted a hard surface. I suppose you could place protective knee pads over the top of this brace. Then you would have the ultimate coverage. All these serious knee injuries lately plus your accident have put the scare in me. That's the plan to wear the hinged knee supports under my pants and knee pads over on top. Got any tips as to what's a good knee support to look for that doesn't break the bank? I'm getting a pair of protective padding shorts as well with thigh, hip, and bum guards. Since we're pretty much pioneering the gear people wear on EUCs for the future, I may as well be one of the guinea pigs to see what works and what could potentially save others (and me!) from serious injury and suffering.
mezzanine Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: All these serious knee injuries lately plus your accident have put the scare in me. That's the plan to wear the hinged knee supports under my pants and knee pads over on top. Got any tips as to what's a good knee support to look for that doesn't break the bank? I'm getting a pair of protective padding shorts as well with thigh, hip, and bum guards. Since we're pretty much pioneering the gear people wear on EUCs for the future, I may as well be one of the guinea pigs to see what works and what could potentially save others (and me!) from serious injury and suffering. It seems even in the short time since I joined that there's been a move towards more safety gear. I wouldn't have guessed how valuable the forum would be for interfacing about safety issues and socially reinforcing increased safety focus. A lot of it isn't even gear-related. I've been trying to ride slower and be especially vigilant about watching the road surface for irregularities. Marty made a good observation yesterday about getting knee pads that won't slide in a crash. I was going to go with the g-form ones that look minimalist, but am going to go with something more conventional with straps, possibly the POC knee pads. I was leaning towards buying a pair of motorcycle jeans with built-in knee pads, but figure they may not be secure enough. I figure I'll negotiate my way up to elbows after my next crash. Typing out that last part didn't produce a happy feeling.
The Fat Unicyclist Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, mezzanine said: Marty made a good observation yesterday about getting knee pads that won't slide in a crash. I was going to go with the g-form ones that look minimalist, but am going to go with something more conventional with straps, possibly the POC knee pads. I was leaning towards buying a pair of motorcycle jeans with built-in knee pads, but figure they may not be secure enough. Wouldn't knee pads that are built into jeans stay n place better?
Marty Backe Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, mezzanine said: It seems even in the short time since I joined that there's been a move towards more safety gear. I wouldn't have guessed how valuable the forum would be for interfacing about safety issues and socially reinforcing increased safety focus. A lot of it isn't even gear-related. I've been trying to ride slower and be especially vigilant about watching the road surface for irregularities. Marty made a good observation yesterday about getting knee pads that won't slide in a crash. I was going to go with the g-form ones that look minimalist, but am going to go with something more conventional with straps, possibly the POC knee pads. I was leaning towards buying a pair of motorcycle jeans with built-in knee pads, but figure they may not be secure enough. I figure I'll negotiate my way up to elbows after my next crash. Typing out that last part didn't produce a happy feeling.
Marty Backe Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 5 hours ago, novazeus said: seriously, is that like a rider on ur homeowner’s? how does that work? i figured u must. i’m sure california has probably more scam artists than florida, and we got a bunch. btw, i remember something funny the other night, growing up in the country i guess kids had to entertain themselves. friends of mine grew up in lutz, and they would run along the side of cars and then throw a cardboard box under the wheels and then fall down on the shoulder of the road pretending to be hurt, just for meaness. Umbrella policy. A few million dollars covers the bases. Certainly worthwhile to have the coverage if you have wealth you'd rather not lose.
Pard Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Umbrella policy. A few million dollars covers the bases. Certainly worthwhile to have the coverage if you have wealth you'd rather not lose. I would bet that any umbrella policy would fight hard to exclude coverage related to any damage you cause while operating an EUC.
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Pard said: I would bet that any umbrella policy would fight hard to exclude coverage related to any damage you cause while operating an EUC. i wonder that too, with the whole legality of euc’s in question. i just don’t know. umbrella policy is smart. i don’t own a home, but maybe i can get it through my auto insurance.
Pard Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, novazeus said: i wonder that too, with the whole legality of euc’s in question. i just don’t know. umbrella policy is smart. i don’t own a home, but maybe i can get it through my auto insurance. I have my umbrella policy through Geico, my auto and motorcycle carrier. I pray I never need it, because I am told Geico fights tooth and nail to deny claims against the Umbrella, and the policy is not at all cheap..
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pard said: I have my umbrella policy through Geico, my auto and motorcycle carrier. I pray I never need it, because I am told Geico fights tooth and nail to deny claims against the Umbrella, and the policy is not at all cheap.. thanks. i need to talk to geico. i have my truck and jeep with them and it’s already $2k+ a year.
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 yeah i don’t think i qualify for some general umbrella policy. found this, pretty sure a euc claim would be excluded, unless it was insured, good question though: Again, an umbrella policy will offer you expanded protection over and above the coverage you currently have. So if you are in a car accident that exceeds your coverage limits, your umbrella policy will kick in and pick up the difference. But what if you are in an accident because you were doing something that is considered illegal, like drag racing? The illegal action may void your auto coverage and, as such, void your umbrella policy as well. In the case of a homeowners policy, your liability insurance may have certain exclusions, such as denying coverage for certain breeds of dogs that are considered dangerous. If you buy a policy and then buy an excluded breed, you may not have coverage if that dog bites someone. And just as with your homeowners policy, your umbrella policy would not go in to affect either. While most umbrella policies will also exclude items that are excluded on the underlying policies, there are some exceptions. For example, people with home businesses often don’t realize that business coverage is not part of the standard homeowners insurance policy. If someone were to come to your home as part of your business you might not have coverage if they were hurt and tried to sue you. On the other hand, you might be able to ask your umbrella policy carrier to extend extra business coverage options to you. This, of course, is a grey area and it is important to address all of your personal risks and needs with your insurance professional by adding the right endorsements to your underlying policies.
Pard Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I can see the underwriters working the numbers on the EUC right now ... LOL! So you have this chinese made 50 pound single wheel moving at up to 30mph that is neither certified, registered, inspected or regulated in any way, and you want us to pay for damage it causes to persons or property?
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 yeah, i’m sure an euc isn’t considered “exotic”. good luck with that if ur euc hits somebody. Umbrella Insurance: What's Excluded While umbrella insurance is comprehensive, there are some exclusions, according to Travelers, such as: Damages expected or intended by the insured. Liability arising from certain exotic vehicles, such as aircraft and jet skis. (Snowmobiles and golf carts usually are covered.) Damages to your own property. (Depending on how these were caused, your standard homeowner policy may cover these.)
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pard said: I can see the underwriters working the numbers on the EUC right now ... LOL! So you have this chinese made 50 pound single wheel moving at up to 30mph that is neither certified, registered, inspected or regulated in any way, and you want us to pay for damage it causes to persons or property? and it’s called a monster? good luck in court.
Circuitmage Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 @dmethvin I scanned the posts to see if you were wearing knee pads or not. My knee iinjuries have mostly healed; 1 hard fall after my dog pulled me down 10/30/17 that was the most painful and long lasting. Did not keep me from walking but was uncomfortable for a few weeks and still (now more than 3 months later) just a slight pain on side-to-side movement. In hind-sight (after my more recent 12/23 fall), I think it was the cheap knee pad that bit into my knee on one corner. On my 12/23 fall, both my cheap knee pads in a low speed fall bit into my knees. I have not fallen since getting my upgraded knee pads. Get well.
Marty Backe Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 11 hours ago, Pard said: I would bet that any umbrella policy would fight hard to exclude coverage related to any damage you cause while operating an EUC. I disagree. EUC's a legal where I live. If I have an accident just like I could with my car or bicycle, I'll be covered. If I'm doing something blatantly illegal with my wheel than I probably won't. But I'm not irresponsible in my usage of the EUC.
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 12:20 AM, mezzanine said: It seems even in the short time since I joined that there's been a move towards more safety gear. I wouldn't have guessed how valuable the forum would be for interfacing about safety issues and socially reinforcing increased safety focus. A lot of it isn't even gear-related. I've been trying to ride slower and be especially vigilant about watching the road surface for irregularities. ... The forum can be good and bad. It can incite paranoia when you read about people's accidents, but it also raise further awareness on how to maybe avoid nasty injuries. I'd probably be a carefree rider wearing just a helmet, gloves, and knee pads without a care in the world, but after reading and learning here I've developed a greater appreciation and understanding about EUCs and the aspects of riding them. I think it's good to have a basic arsenal of protective gear on hand and slowly add components to it over time. I don't think we all have to suit up like @EUC Extreme every day, but it can be wise to err on the side of safety rather than be on the other side of the fence requiring medical attention at great personal and financial cost. Plus if it can keep me in the game to enjoy my ride, it's a cost I'm willing to pay. I accept that I'm not 15 and indestructible any more so it's time to ramp up the gear.
Pard Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: I disagree. EUC's a legal where I live. If I have an accident just like I could with my car or bicycle, I'll be covered. If I'm doing something blatantly illegal with my wheel than I probably won't. But I'm not irresponsible in my usage of the EUC. Legality of the EUC is fundamental in the consideration as to coverage. Yet, the argument to exclude would still be easy enough to make. I guess the only absolute way to know is to get it in writing from the company.
Rehab1 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: But I'm not irresponsible in my usage of the EUC.
novazeus Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I disagree. EUC's a legal where I live. If I have an accident just like I could with my car or bicycle, I'll be covered. If I'm doing something blatantly illegal with my wheel than I probably won't. But I'm not irresponsible in my usage of the EUC. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB604 electrically motorized board" is "313.5. An “electrically motorized board” is any wheeled device that has a floorboard designed to be stood upon when riding that is not greater than 60 inches deep and 18 inches wide, is designed to transport only one person, and has an electric propulsion system averaging less than 1,000 watts, the maximum speed of which, when powered solely by a propulsion system on a paved level surface, is no more than 20 miles per hour. The device may be designed to also be powered by human propulsion."
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