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3 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

Ok, no movement or nearly no movement.....but was has "self activating" the switch (at 5kmh max, pfffh) to do with "training" unexspected cutouts at a speed much higher?

It might provide some very basic fall/roll training but in no way can it can be compared to an unexpected fall at a normal speed.

I was just clearing up a technical error. 

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11 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

I totally doubt that.

Yet it's true, LOL. I probably would not buy a wheel again which can be turned off while riding fast, but yet I have one where I can, even sold by a very reputable seller less than 2 years ago.

7 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

Ok, no movement or nearly no movement.....but was has "self activating" the switch (at 5kmh max, pfffh) to do with "training" unexspected cutouts at a speed much higher?

When going around 5km/h it is actually pretty unpredictable whether and when the kill switch activates. I used a belt, which means I even don't know whether the switch is actually pressed at any given point in time. Otherwise I agree, you have to be prepared for the "unexpected", so in that sense I aim to be in a mental state that no cutout is unexpected for me.

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28 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said:

The V8 switch activates up to 5kph. After that it is non responsive. 

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22 hours ago, WARPed1701D said:

It might provide some very basic fall/roll training but in no way can it can be compared to an unexpected fall at a normal speed.

As I have experienced both, I would say it is comparable. The body posture and reflexes which leave me completely unimpressed by a wheel cutout at 5km/h or by the wheel disappearing under me at 10km/h or by the wheel sliding away under me at 15km/h seem to me not at all to be different. Whether this posture and reflexes will save my bones also at 25km/h is certainly a judgement call and hard to falsify either way until a bone is broken.

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On 2/4/2018 at 3:52 PM, KingSong69 said:

Driving around with walking speed and provokating by belt on the kill switch, has nothing todo with unexspected.

You have done both too, right? Sure, a training situation is always different from real life. Is the conclusion that hence safety training is useless? It escapes my imagination why you would think we should start practicing anything difficult (in your opinion impossible) at higher than walking speed.

On 2/4/2018 at 3:52 PM, KingSong69 said:

And Sorry, who is driving around with ALL TIME  "mental state" that now a fail could happen??? That would make the complete situation no fun at all...

You have tried it, right? Challenges can be fun. Embracing the challenge to be able to separate from the wheel at any time can be fun as well. Then, I like the mental state to know I can probably run off a failure rather than helplessly flying. In any case, when I wrote mental state it was somewhat misleading. I didn't necessarily mean to say conscious mental state, but ideally rather what many people refer to as muscle memory. Of course the memory is not in the muscle, hence I don't use that word very often if at all.

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Just now, Mono said:

You have done both too, right?

Nope....

but for me: Doing something on my own aka "training a fall by SELF powering off the wheel" is contradicting the word "unexspected".

As easy as that!

And now i am out, i allready hurt my rules not to discuss anything with you.

But as there are enough people here in the forum which got hurt/injured by -real- unexspected cutouts, i cant/wont let go arguments that safety gear is not needed as long as you dont "drive faster than you can run" or "aslong as you are always in a "mental state" and be prepared for a fall".

Thats just nonsense....and i really hope for you you never experience a real cutout out of the blue.

I am out :-)

 

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On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said:

Doing something on my own aka "training a fall by SELF powering off the wheel" is contradicting the word "unexspected".

If you do it you will find out and may have an unexpected surprise :D

On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said:

And now i am out, i allready hurt my rules not to discuss anything with you.

Just add me to your ignore users list and you will be less tempted :), or maybe this functionality is not available for administrators...

On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said:

i cant/wont let go arguments that safety gear is not needed as long as you dont "drive faster than you can run" or "aslong as you are always in a "mental state" and be prepared for a fall".

FTR, I suggested to be prepared for a fail. To be able to run off any "unexpected" incident is very useful irrespectively of whether one is a proponent of wearing safety gear. As we have seen very recently, some pretty hideous shoulder injuries are extremely difficult to prevent with safety gear. Irrespectively of what one decides to wear, it is always preferable to stay upright over hitting the ground. Hence it seems a pretty good idea to figure out how this can be achieved. And it is almost always safer to drive slower than to drive faster. And needless to say, it is always preferable the wheel not failing.

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@nute yeah, those pedal hits are definitely something to watch out for. I was thinking I really like the Ninebot Z pedal design, specifically due to this reason, but the more I think about it the less I am sure that that pedal design would help. Simply put, anytime you catch one side of the wheel on something I think it's going to spin out of control. Learning to slow down in tight spaces and step off if needed is critical.

I can imagine I would need ice cream after hitting a curb! 

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Fyi my slam was not a technical failure. Just a cut out from taking a bump too fast

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1 minute ago, ir_fuel said:

<ouch>

Well that looks... Uncomfortable. 

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Hello, I ride motorbikes since 9 years old, allways wearing helmet. Todays I use my EUC instead because I didn't need to wear helmet. I prefer to ride at low speed of 10km/h or less with my senses not being nerfed because the wind noise or lack in reaction due to the high speed.

They are one category of euc what can be compared to pedestrian; slow, light, small and safe. If you enjoy riding like this you probably don't need wear safe gear.

The higher category which includes speeder, heavy, big and dangerous euc obviously request the best on safe gear, not for preventing the pain or the injuries witch certainly going to suffer. It's only for keeping you alive and probably without sequels.

If anybody want experience a unexpected cut off get one old and cheap euc from ebay or Ali express. I use one a lot since I get my v5f. Now I  100% cut off free. But I don't remember any face planting for a cut off, always saved walking or hand saved. I assume is something I doing well because my funambulist training or maybe my juggler reflexes. In all of my cut off I steep off when the euc keeps shell spining forward before crashing into a rock or tree :shock2:

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9 minutes ago, Demargon said:

Hello, I ride motorbikes since 9 years old, allways wearing helmet. Todays I use my EUC instead because I didn't need to wear helmet. I prefer to ride at low speed of 10km/h or less with my senses not being nerfed because the wind noise or lack in reaction due to the high speed.

They are one category of euc what can be compared to pedestrian; slow, light, small and safe. If you enjoy riding like this you probably don't need wear safe gear.

The higher category which includes speeder, heavy, big and dangerous euc obviously request the best on safe gear, not for preventing the pain or the injuries witch certainly going to suffer. It's only for keeping you alive and probably without sequels.

If anybody want experience a unexpected cut off get one old and cheap euc from ebay or Ali express. I use one a lot since I get my v5f. Now I  100% cut off free. But I don't remember any face planting for a cut off, always saved walking or hand saved. I assume is something I doing well because my funambulist training or maybe my juggler reflexes. In all of my cut off I steep off when the euc keeps shell spining forward before crashing into a rock or tree :shock2:

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22 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

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Dislocation. You can try and pull it back into alignment yourself or just see a physician. Lots of ICE afterwards (unless your illegal).

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On ‎14‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 7:44 AM, ir_fuel said:

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12 hours ago, Rehab1 said:

Dislocation. You can try and pull it back into alignment yourself or just see a physician. Lots of ICE afterwards (unless your illegal).

 

DO IT!!! 3 seconds and you'll be fine!

And video it too (just in case you scream like a 12 year of girl).

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9 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said:

DO IT!!! 3 seconds and you'll be fine!

And video it too (just in case you scream like a 12 year of girl).

LOL!! Listen to you tough guy. I change my mind. Go see a physician. I hate to see a grown man scream.

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This is from October 2017 ;) 

Picture taken at the hospital where the sedated my finger and pulled it back in place.

Later on I went to see an orthopedic hand specialist and when I explained him what they did he had a good laugh. "I would have done it without anaesthetics!" 

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you maybe safe for a long time, very long time, but one day, one fall could change everything..... I would Not go out riding with out full gear, seriously never again. At speeds that we have been reaching, it is just simply not wise, but to each its own.....

Its funny how after the fall, we Have to feel sorry for people that just dont care (I dont maen you, just generalizing).....

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about eight weeks ago i was riding down a street i frequent almost daily, going about 12-14mph in the bike lane. i wasn't paying attention and ran over a branch that was lying diagonally across the lane. all of a sudden the wheel twisted out from under me and i wiped out. fortunately for me i was wearing my helmet because my head dinged the asphalt at the end of my tumble. i wasn't wearing my knee pads or wrist guards. gashed up my palms, left knee was bashed and bloodied, and my right knee had a swelling about the size of a golf ball at the bottom of the patella. thankfully nothing broke; my knees felt funky for about two months reconstructing themselves and i didn't ride in case i were to fall off again and make things worse. but now, unless i'm going super-slow i always put my gear on... i let myself get complacent. now, the other day i rode down the same road with just helmet, but that was on s1 :P

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1 hour ago, kour said:

about eight weeks ago i was riding down a street i frequent almost daily, going about 12-14mph in the bike lane. i wasn't paying attention and ran over a branch that was lying diagonally across the lane. all of a sudden the wheel twisted out from under me and i wiped out. fortunately for me i was wearing my helmet because my head dinged the asphalt at the end of my tumble. i wasn't wearing my knee pads or wrist guards. gashed up my palms, left knee was bashed and bloodied, and my right knee had a swelling about the size of a golf ball at the bottom of the patella. thankfully nothing broke; my knees felt funky for about two months reconstructing themselves and i didn't ride in case i were to fall off again and make things worse. but now, unless i'm going super-slow i always put my gear on... i let myself get complacent. now, the other day i rode down the same road with just helmet, but that was on s1 :P

Ug, I feel for you. Man, we really have to be vigilant about watching the path in front of us :cry2:

I think just about all of us have to get injured to varying degrees before we start wearing safety gear diligently. 

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