WARPed1701D Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Ok, no movement or nearly no movement.....but was has "self activating" the switch (at 5kmh max, pfffh) to do with "training" unexspected cutouts at a speed much higher? It might provide some very basic fall/roll training but in no way can it can be compared to an unexpected fall at a normal speed. I was just clearing up a technical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: I totally doubt that. Yet it's true, LOL. I probably would not buy a wheel again which can be turned off while riding fast, but yet I have one where I can, even sold by a very reputable seller less than 2 years ago. 7 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Ok, no movement or nearly no movement.....but was has "self activating" the switch (at 5kmh max, pfffh) to do with "training" unexspected cutouts at a speed much higher? When going around 5km/h it is actually pretty unpredictable whether and when the kill switch activates. I used a belt, which means I even don't know whether the switch is actually pressed at any given point in time. Otherwise I agree, you have to be prepared for the "unexpected", so in that sense I aim to be in a mental state that no cutout is unexpected for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 28 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: The V8 switch activates up to 5kph. After that it is non responsive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 22 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: It might provide some very basic fall/roll training but in no way can it can be compared to an unexpected fall at a normal speed. As I have experienced both, I would say it is comparable. The body posture and reflexes which leave me completely unimpressed by a wheel cutout at 5km/h or by the wheel disappearing under me at 10km/h or by the wheel sliding away under me at 15km/h seem to me not at all to be different. Whether this posture and reflexes will save my bones also at 25km/h is certainly a judgement call and hard to falsify either way until a bone is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mono said: around 5km/h it is actually pretty unpredictable whether and when the kill switch activates. I used a belt, which means I even don't know whether the switch is actually pressed at any given point in time. Otherwise I agree, you have to be prepared for the "unexpected", so in that sense I aim to be in a mental state that no cutout is unexpected for me. aaa, Come on!!! :-) Driving around with walking speed and provokating by belt on the kill switch, has nothing todo with unexspected. Yes, the exactly second when it triggers might be not knowable, but at all you are in a situation training and switching the button by yourself. That has nothing of driving around in the sunshine, glimpsing at the landscape and from one nanosecond to the other the pedal swap over. And Sorry, who is driving around with ALL TIME "mental state" that now a fail could happen??? That would make the complete situation no fun at all... My 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 3:52 PM, KingSong69 said: Driving around with walking speed and provokating by belt on the kill switch, has nothing todo with unexspected. You have done both too, right? Sure, a training situation is always different from real life. Is the conclusion that hence safety training is useless? It escapes my imagination why you would think we should start practicing anything difficult (in your opinion impossible) at higher than walking speed. On 2/4/2018 at 3:52 PM, KingSong69 said: And Sorry, who is driving around with ALL TIME "mental state" that now a fail could happen??? That would make the complete situation no fun at all... You have tried it, right? Challenges can be fun. Embracing the challenge to be able to separate from the wheel at any time can be fun as well. Then, I like the mental state to know I can probably run off a failure rather than helplessly flying. In any case, when I wrote mental state it was somewhat misleading. I didn't necessarily mean to say conscious mental state, but ideally rather what many people refer to as muscle memory. Of course the memory is not in the muscle, hence I don't use that word very often if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, Mono said: You have done both too, right? Nope.... but for me: Doing something on my own aka "training a fall by SELF powering off the wheel" is contradicting the word "unexspected". As easy as that! And now i am out, i allready hurt my rules not to discuss anything with you. But as there are enough people here in the forum which got hurt/injured by -real- unexspected cutouts, i cant/wont let go arguments that safety gear is not needed as long as you dont "drive faster than you can run" or "aslong as you are always in a "mental state" and be prepared for a fall". Thats just nonsense....and i really hope for you you never experience a real cutout out of the blue. I am out :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said: Doing something on my own aka "training a fall by SELF powering off the wheel" is contradicting the word "unexspected". If you do it you will find out and may have an unexpected surprise On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said: And now i am out, i allready hurt my rules not to discuss anything with you. Just add me to your ignore users list and you will be less tempted , or maybe this functionality is not available for administrators... On 2/4/2018 at 4:08 PM, KingSong69 said: i cant/wont let go arguments that safety gear is not needed as long as you dont "drive faster than you can run" or "aslong as you are always in a "mental state" and be prepared for a fall". FTR, I suggested to be prepared for a fail. To be able to run off any "unexpected" incident is very useful irrespectively of whether one is a proponent of wearing safety gear. As we have seen very recently, some pretty hideous shoulder injuries are extremely difficult to prevent with safety gear. Irrespectively of what one decides to wear, it is always preferable to stay upright over hitting the ground. Hence it seems a pretty good idea to figure out how this can be achieved. And it is almost always safer to drive slower than to drive faster. And needless to say, it is always preferable the wheel not failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Mono said: , you have to be prepared for the "unexpected", so in that sense I aim to be in a mental state that no cutout is unexpected for me. That's actually a very interesting and somewhat depressing thing to say. After my last semi-cutout, I had low-level anxiety whenever I rode a wheel, a sense of impending doom that I couldn't shake off, but also one that made me adopt a constant ready position. The anxiety has also caused me to ride in a sprint and coast, that is, I either have the wheel tilted forward hard to bring it up to speed, then coasting so that a cut out will still leave me balanced on top of a BC wheel instead of a face plant. Sprint and coast, sprint and coast, in a very jerky sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nute Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I would suggest a minimum of wrist guards all the time. The only time I have ever had blood leaking out was when I thought “i’ll Just nip down to the shop for a tub of Ben &Jerrys” and didn’t put any safety gear on. Three hundred yards later I caught the peddle on a kerb and went flying landing on the heels of both hands and my knees. Picking gravel and other crap out of the heels of your hands where the skin has been a braided off isn’t much fun. I’ve never has a total cut out either but I have overleaned and clipped a peddle (protective gear for the former so no blood, no gear on the latter so lots of blood). I did carry on to the shop for my ice cream though, blood running down my legs and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, nute said: I would suggest a minimum of wrist guards all the time. The only time I have ever had blood leaking out was when I thought “i’ll Just nip down to the shop for a tub of Ben &Jerrys” and didn’t put any safety gear on. Three hundred yards later I caught the peddle on a kerb and went flying landing on the heels of both hands and my knees. Picking gravel and other crap out of the heels of your hands where the skin has been a braided off isn’t much fun. I’ve never has a total cut out either but I have overleaned and clipped a peddle (protective gear for the former so no blood, no gear on the latter so lots of blood). I did carry on to the shop for my ice cream though, blood running down my legs and all. At least you have your priorities set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuitmage Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 @nute yeah, those pedal hits are definitely something to watch out for. I was thinking I really like the Ninebot Z pedal design, specifically due to this reason, but the more I think about it the less I am sure that that pedal design would help. Simply put, anytime you catch one side of the wheel on something I think it's going to spin out of control. Learning to slow down in tight spaces and step off if needed is critical. I can imagine I would need ice cream after hitting a curb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Fyi my slam was not a technical failure. Just a cut out from taking a bump too fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WARPed1701D Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, ir_fuel said: <ouch> Well that looks... Uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demargon Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Hello, I ride motorbikes since 9 years old, allways wearing helmet. Todays I use my EUC instead because I didn't need to wear helmet. I prefer to ride at low speed of 10km/h or less with my senses not being nerfed because the wind noise or lack in reaction due to the high speed. They are one category of euc what can be compared to pedestrian; slow, light, small and safe. If you enjoy riding like this you probably don't need wear safe gear. The higher category which includes speeder, heavy, big and dangerous euc obviously request the best on safe gear, not for preventing the pain or the injuries witch certainly going to suffer. It's only for keeping you alive and probably without sequels. If anybody want experience a unexpected cut off get one old and cheap euc from ebay or Ali express. I use one a lot since I get my v5f. Now I 100% cut off free. But I don't remember any face planting for a cut off, always saved walking or hand saved. I assume is something I doing well because my funambulist training or maybe my juggler reflexes. In all of my cut off I steep off when the euc keeps shell spining forward before crashing into a rock or tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Demargon said: Hello, I ride motorbikes since 9 years old, allways wearing helmet. Todays I use my EUC instead because I didn't need to wear helmet. I prefer to ride at low speed of 10km/h or less with my senses not being nerfed because the wind noise or lack in reaction due to the high speed. They are one category of euc what can be compared to pedestrian; slow, light, small and safe. If you enjoy riding like this you probably don't need wear safe gear. The higher category which includes speeder, heavy, big and dangerous euc obviously request the best on safe gear, not for preventing the pain or the injuries witch certainly going to suffer. It's only for keeping you alive and probably without sequels. If anybody want experience a unexpected cut off get one old and cheap euc from ebay or Ali express. I use one a lot since I get my v5f. Now I 100% cut off free. But I don't remember any face planting for a cut off, always saved walking or hand saved. I assume is something I doing well because my funambulist training or maybe my juggler reflexes. In all of my cut off I steep off when the euc keeps shell spining forward before crashing into a rock or tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 22 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Dislocation. You can try and pull it back into alignment yourself or just see a physician. Lots of ICE afterwards (unless your illegal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 14/02/2018 at 7:44 AM, ir_fuel said: 12 hours ago, Rehab1 said: Dislocation. You can try and pull it back into alignment yourself or just see a physician. Lots of ICE afterwards (unless your illegal). DO IT!!! 3 seconds and you'll be fine! And video it too (just in case you scream like a 12 year of girl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: DO IT!!! 3 seconds and you'll be fine! And video it too (just in case you scream like a 12 year of girl). LOL!! Listen to you tough guy. I change my mind. Go see a physician. I hate to see a grown man scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 This is from October 2017 Picture taken at the hospital where the sedated my finger and pulled it back in place. Later on I went to see an orthopedic hand specialist and when I explained him what they did he had a good laugh. "I would have done it without anaesthetics!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 you maybe safe for a long time, very long time, but one day, one fall could change everything..... I would Not go out riding with out full gear, seriously never again. At speeds that we have been reaching, it is just simply not wise, but to each its own..... Its funny how after the fall, we Have to feel sorry for people that just dont care (I dont maen you, just generalizing)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 @Circuitmage, @Mono , guys , it’s good to feel confident , and good to practice running off, and good to be ready to react in an emergency, but this is the same confidence that gives you the false perception of safety. The chance of an euc cutting out is still very very very high, any malfunction at 20kph and up results in a faceplant as there is no redundancy in the wheel components, besides you are not really protected from someone else running you over, and just 1 such time during a life of a wheel will be 1 time too many. For me, the knees are most vilulnerable, I got bursitis several times, the meniscus in my knee was torn from a collision and I actually consider that to be a very lucky outcome. I’ve ridden somewhere around 10,000 miles on eucs, maybe more, but I know i could still get into an accident any time, no matter the skill level. Also, I have collected fossils / dinosaurs for 15 years, I jumped into creek beds , climbed up and down cliffs, quarry pits, etc. I broken several bones / torn ligaments while collecting . Do you know when / how I broke them? You think it happened while the danger / risk was the highest / most obvious? Not at all. I sustained all the injuries on solid ground when the risk was minimal. Why? Because I did not respect the risk. I felt too confident, I thought I knew it all. I thought I was above the risk. I was sloppy and didn’t care to take precautions. Don’t repeat my mistakes please . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kour Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 about eight weeks ago i was riding down a street i frequent almost daily, going about 12-14mph in the bike lane. i wasn't paying attention and ran over a branch that was lying diagonally across the lane. all of a sudden the wheel twisted out from under me and i wiped out. fortunately for me i was wearing my helmet because my head dinged the asphalt at the end of my tumble. i wasn't wearing my knee pads or wrist guards. gashed up my palms, left knee was bashed and bloodied, and my right knee had a swelling about the size of a golf ball at the bottom of the patella. thankfully nothing broke; my knees felt funky for about two months reconstructing themselves and i didn't ride in case i were to fall off again and make things worse. but now, unless i'm going super-slow i always put my gear on... i let myself get complacent. now, the other day i rode down the same road with just helmet, but that was on s1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, kour said: about eight weeks ago i was riding down a street i frequent almost daily, going about 12-14mph in the bike lane. i wasn't paying attention and ran over a branch that was lying diagonally across the lane. all of a sudden the wheel twisted out from under me and i wiped out. fortunately for me i was wearing my helmet because my head dinged the asphalt at the end of my tumble. i wasn't wearing my knee pads or wrist guards. gashed up my palms, left knee was bashed and bloodied, and my right knee had a swelling about the size of a golf ball at the bottom of the patella. thankfully nothing broke; my knees felt funky for about two months reconstructing themselves and i didn't ride in case i were to fall off again and make things worse. but now, unless i'm going super-slow i always put my gear on... i let myself get complacent. now, the other day i rode down the same road with just helmet, but that was on s1 Ug, I feel for you. Man, we really have to be vigilant about watching the path in front of us . I think just about all of us have to get injured to varying degrees before we start wearing safety gear diligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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