US69 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: and highest torque ever in an EUC Where do you get this assumption from? Torque is related to Amperage, and to the battery and not alone to any watt numbers of the Motor. with a 4p20S - 40Amps max cell System will be hard to generate more torque than a 6p20S -60Amps System on the ACM2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, US69 said: Actual KS S series are all able to do such hills ....14-18...no Problem. Actual GW's like Tesla and ACM2 are capable of the same Here are some 14d/s and 16s hill climb abilities, both directions: Have you seen some of Marty's "Overheat hill" tests lately? With actual wheels hill climbing abilities are not that much of a Problem anymore, at least not in any normal and real life Scenarios. I would allways advise not to do any 25-30degree hill climbing for longer. That is a totally stress for your batterys and most likely takes away a good percentage of the lifespan of the batterys on just one hill.....no matter which wheel you own. Interesting. As I posted above, Marty's 14S couldn't handle one particular hill. Where I live I'm surrounded by really steep hills. Maybe I should cut back on climbing them often. Thanks for the tip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said: As I posted above, Marty's 14S couldn't handle one particular hill. Yip, that was a hill he also tested never before, also with no other wheel.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adel Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Bobwheel said: Test That great. @Bobwheel how come EUC manufacturers still don't include built in rubber bumpers at impact points especially pedal bottom ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, US69 said: Where do you get this assumption from? Torque is related to Amperage, and to the battery and not alone to any watt numbers of the Motor. with a 4p20S - 40Amps max cell System will be hard to generate more torque than a 6p20S -60Amps System on the ACM2 Interesting. I was just going by the max incline angle, and the fact that the V10F's top speed is 25 mph with a 2000 watt motor. I didn't calculate battery power. Would be interesting to see some scientific tests, and also drag racing and hill climbing tests between the two wheels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: Interesting. As I posted above, Marty's 14S couldn't handle one particular hill. Where I live I'm surrounded by really steep hills. Maybe I should cut back on climbing them often. Thanks for the tip Really that steep? I am also living in a Region with a LOT of hills...but as Long as they are not that "San Francisco" type Thing...i think you are good to go. You should watch the amperage drawn on an app and compare it to normal amperage use...As Long as you are not all time on the max, it should be fine :-) Edited April 10, 2018 by US69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Scout, where are you that it's so hilly you can't ride up the hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EUCMania Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 V10 looks like a very competitive model in the price range. Comparing with V8, V10 uses a much stronger motor, with wider magnet, coil etc. That will generate much more torque, with the price of more weight. InMotion said that the motor is 230% stronger than V8. InMotion dare to use the largest pedal, indicating that the torque is large enough. The 30 degree "climbility" is the result of larger torque and pedal. And its tire is wider, more beautiful and well built( if V8 standard is kept)! I would say that this v10 is very competitive compared with GW, KS in the 16" market, and is a well rounded EUC for most EUCers. Z10 is in the different category for dedicated off-roaders with a bad trolley. In the city, V10 is both beautiful and practical. Now the only things that can stop v10 are bad reviews. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, kasenutty said: Scout, where are you that it's so hilly you can't ride up the hill? The Green Mountain State. I can usually get up most hills, but at an absolute crawl. And there's one street I haven't tried to tackle yet but could probably make it up. And these are just streets. some of the offroad trails probably get even steeper and harder to climb. I also weigh 190+ lbs, and I'm riding an 800 watt MCM3 Edited April 10, 2018 by Scouts Honor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramma Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: I don't think this is an app error. I'm guessing you brought a wheel from a foreign dealer on Aliexpress and the wheel is not an international version. As such it is region locked to China. Try doing what you need to do while running a VPN that outputs your internet connection in China. May need to turn of GPS too. Yeah that's part of it, but it's pretty silly. I guess I was doing the diagnostics on my broken V8 wrong, but now I can't even connect in a way that lets me redo it correctly. Turning off cell data and GPS used to be a workaround, but that stopped working. A VPN is probably the solution if inmotion plans to keep the geoblock in the new app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, Scouts Honor said: The Green Mountain State. I can usually get up most hills, but at an absolute crawl. And there's one street I haven't tried to tackle yet but could probably make it up. And these are just streets. some of the offroad trails probably get even steeper and harder to climb. I also weigh 190+ lbs, and I'm riding an 800 watt MCM3 You mean The little tiny Green Hill state? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, kasenutty said: You mean The little tiny Green Hill state? Maybe I live in the steepest part or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 Damn! I was hoping they'd re-adopt the Lenovo-plug standard, but seems it's the same GX12-3 that one of the incarnations of the V8 was: 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Going to be writing up a mini-review shortly. Battery Pack 12 hours ago, US69 said: 680wh 80cells 2150/2200mah probably Samsung 22P 960wh 80cells 3200mah LG MH1 Could have been 1036wh with 3500mah cells, but until now Inmotion never used this cells. Exactly, I thought the battery configuration would be 60/80 cells using the same MH1s in both, but they've chosen to use the same quantity in both the V10/V10F, V10 has the 22P (not confirmed but fits the facts) & MH1 in the V10F. The problem with larger capacity Sanyo GA & LG MJ1 is that the demand for these currently outstrips the supply, this is one of the reasons why production of the GWs & KSs are frequently delayed. Inmotion's goal is to produce this model in volume, to achieve this aim, it's vital that parts suppliers do not face constraints on their end. Maybe in the future, there could be a 'special edition' 1036Wh V10F+ or something, but would an extra 10% capacity be a deal breaker for most people? 9 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: 2000W max = ~1200W nominal? I was hoping for more than KS16S level motor, but I guess it's ok if they use it right (firmware etc.) For riding, there's no question that the V10F is more powerful than the KS16S. I would be interested to see comparative dyno tests. I've asked about the anomalous power ratings for the two different packs—the V10 is rated for 1800W & 2000W on the V10F, since both are composed of 80x 10A cells, the battery power output should be 2,880W using the calculation of 80 x 3.6v x 10A. Speakers: these are high quality stereo speakers, producing higher quality, deeper & richer sound than those installed on the KS wheels, I believe they're 10W, need to confirm. 8 hours ago, Dodgez said: Actually in my opinion it's pretty cool design. I have both the inmotion v5 and the KS16S. I'd choose the inmotion handle over the built-in KS handle anytime. As for carrying the wheels, they're both equally easy to carry (apart from being heavy that is). Getting your hand and fingers around the handle is no problem. I Agreed, in the perfect world, it would be integrated into the body of the Wheel, but considering how many batteries are crammed into the body while maintaining a 5.8" profile, active cooling system, premium speakers, bright[ist] headlight, 2.5" wide tire, there's not one 1cm/sq of free space in the body. If it came down to a choice, surely we'd want an extra 20 cells in the Wheel over a handle that's tucked away? 13 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Given the V10F spec's and superior build quality (an assumption that I'm making), that's a competitive price Also, for those who took the leap-of-faith with placing a deposit with either myinmotion.com or ewheels.com get a 10% discount on the ESRP, bringing the shipped price of the V10 to just $1169 & $1440 on the V10F. Edited April 10, 2018 by Jason McNeil 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eddiemoy Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: I hope you can turn off the silly sights on the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieV Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: <snip> Also, for those who took the leap-of-faith with placing a deposit with either myinmotion.com or ewheels.com get a 10% discount on the ESRP, bringing the shipped price of the V10 to just $1169 & $1440 on the V10F. As a leaper-of-faith (not a leper-of faith; different thing entirely), my question is for how long are the discounted prices on the table? As great as these new wheels appear to be, I am still curious as to how they will compare to the upcoming offerings of King Song and Segway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, RichieV said: As a leaper-of-faith (not a leper-of faith; different thing entirely), my question is for how long are the discounted prices on the table? As great as these new wheels appear to be, I am still curious as to how they will compare to the upcoming offerings of King Song and Segway. I think the 10% discount stopped the second the wheel was officially launched. Full price now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason McNeil Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RichieV said: As a leaper-of-faith (not a leper-of faith; different thing entirely), my question is for how long are the discounted prices on the table? As great as these new wheels appear to be, I am still curious as to how they will compare to the upcoming offerings of King Song and Segway. For those who made the deposit, the deal is available for at least a couple months. The first batch is fully sold out & it will likely be another two months before the next batch arrives to fulfill the demand. Edited April 10, 2018 by Jason McNeil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Bobwheel said: Price: V10-$1299 V10F-1599 More info: www.ridev10.com i’m a click away from giving u my money. is a protective cover available and if the first ones are shipping directly from the factory to the consumer, which shipping method on the order? what does the customer pay for shipping? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8ps Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said: I'm guessing this wheel was designed to be a KS-16S killer, and it appears to have done so in every regard. And even the pricing is competitive, unbelievable. Not gonna lie, I would have bought this instead of my 16S if it was out in the market at my time of purchase, even with the premium in price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieV Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, WARPed1701D said: I think the 10% discount stopped the second the wheel was officially launched. Full price now. Right. If you had submitted your deposit prior to the event (as many of us had done), you qualify for the discount. Now the wheels are only available at full price. Since we couldn't even place an order for a wheel prior to today, I assume that if you had placed a deposit and now order your wheel, that price will be the discounted one. I wanted to know if that discounted price was available to us deposit-submitters for a short time only, or if we would be able to wait for the specs/prices of the competition and still qualify for the discount. But it looks like @Jason McNeil answered that question: 13 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: For those who made the deposit, the deal is available for at least a couple months. The first batch is fully sold out & it will likely be another two months before batch arrive to fulfill the demand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, gr8ps said: Not gonna lie, I would have bought this instead of my 16S if it was out in the market at my time of purchase, even with the premium in price. Tell me about it. Me: Marty Backe, what's your favorite wheel? Marty: My ACM 1 Me: (ACM 1 is my dream wheel now) One week later Me: (Buy MCM3 340wh) Marty: I'm selling my ACM for slightly more than a new MCM3 340wh Me: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, gr8ps said: Not gonna lie, I would have bought this instead of my 16S if it was out in the market at my time of purchase, even with the premium in price. At the same time, you got a GREAT wheel in the 16S. While the V10 might be slightly better in all regards, they're very much comparable, except the 16S has a proven track record of reliability (and re-sale value). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: One thing not discussed yet is the reported 30 degree max incline angle. I've never seen a wheel with a reported max angle that high. The highest I've seen is 28 degrees from the Gotway MCM4 High Torque version. Most every other wheel has a 25 degree max. Tesla, ACM, Monster, KS16S, all of them seem to be 25 degrees. I’m also having a hard time envisioning the V10 climbing a 30 degree of slope. Slope degrees and grade % are totally different. I am wondering if they have used the wrong term At the auto proving grounds I used last year I rode the ACM 1600 up and down a 30% grade and it struggled. A 30 % grade equals a 16.7 degree slope. Calculating further a 58 % grade is equivalent to a slope angle of 30 degrees. My ACM 1600 would never have been able climbed that degree of slope. Here is a good example.? On my video ( I was required to wear a green bib for safety at the grounds) at 52 seconds I ascend a 20% grade and at 1:20 a 30% grade. Imagine going up a grade 2Xs that amount or 30 degrees. Seems impossible! I hope I’m wrong. That would be an awesome amount of torque! Edited April 10, 2018 by Rehab1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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