novazeus Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) i still think a spring loaded wheelie bar would work, trigger held by motor current. think giant rat trap principle. could double as a kickstand, which would be awesome. Edited April 3, 2018 by novazeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseInMotion Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 If anyone is interested, @Jeffrey Scott Will is doing a LIVE test ride of the V10F on our Facebook right now! Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/myinmotion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Henley Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, em1barns said: I think you should read the IP rating again. The first 5 means dust protected, so you are quite off the mark :). The second 4 means: « Water splashing against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effect, utilizing either: a) an oscillating fixture, or a spray nozzle with no shield. » So essentially, rain, shallow puddles, and any normal riding condition should be ok. Just like cars, it is not entirely waterproof, you cannot drop it in a lake. And yet, cars handle most weather conditions. Not going to argue with you . Looks like you’re due diligence and google skills paid off here . I was thinking 4 not 5 for the first rating . Still , plashing as you state is not waterproof. All I’m saying is the inmotion site stated “it is waterproof “ this isn’t true . And other manufacturers don’t use an ip rating . Edited April 3, 2018 by Scott Henley Add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1barns Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, RoseInMotion said: If anyone is interested, @Jeffrey Scott Will is doing a LIVE test ride of the V10F on our Facebook right now! Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/myinmotion Any list of Q&A for Facebook haters? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseInMotion Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Just now, em1barns said: Any list of Q&A for Facebook haters? ? If you have anything you want to know about the experience, post them here and I can ask Jeff in the comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddylaz Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, RoseInMotion said: If you have anything you want to know about the experience, post them here and I can ask Jeff in the comments I guess the two biggest ones would be: 1) Weight and dimensions? 2) any new riding modes/calibration-type features? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted April 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, RoseInMotion said: If you have anything you want to know about the experience, post them here and I can ask Jeff in the comments Aren't we all tired of the dribble of information? At least I am. I understand it's all about building anticipation for sales, but I've lost interest for now. Maybe in a couple of weeks when actual information exists my interest will peak again. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmethvin Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, RoseInMotion said: If anyone is interested, @Jeffrey Scott Will is doing a LIVE test ride of the V10F on our Facebook right now! Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/myinmotion Just some feedback for future videos...it would be much more useful to actually see more of the person riding the V10F, using a selfie stick or something. Most of this footage could have been taken from a bicycle and it wouldn't look different. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseInMotion Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Paddylaz said: I guess the two biggest ones would be: 1) Weight and dimensions? 2) any new riding modes/calibration-type features? Jeff covered the second question in the video: we don't have access to the new app yet so stay tuned! If you have any questions about his experience riding the wheel, I'll gladly take those. 2 minutes ago, dmethvin said: Just some feedback for future videos...it would be much more useful to actually see more of the person riding the V10F, using a selfie stick or something. Most of this footage could have been taken from a bicycle and it wouldn't look different. Thank you for your feedback! Not sure how long you stayed but he does show himself while riding. The main point of this video is to show how far the V10F can take you so that's why it's important to show the change in environments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: aren't we all tired of the dribble of information? At least I am. I understand it's all about building anticipation for sales, but I've lost interest for now. Maybe in a couple of weeks when actual information exists my interest will peak again. I TOTALLY agree with this, its become a complete bore, and its turning my interest away. Inmotion is acting like they are launching a secret spy satellite. Its tiring, and redundant. Edited April 3, 2018 by Mrd777 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1barns Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Aren't we all tired of the dribble of information? At least I am. I understand it's all about building anticipation for sales, but I've lost interest for now. Maybe in a couple of weeks when actual information exists my interest will peak again. I agree as well. 2-3 weeks teasing could be fun, but for a unicycle, it’s quite hard to keep people breath on such a long period... That being said, I know of another brand whose teasing is already 8-month long... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Henley Posted April 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Aren't we all tired of the dribble of information? At least I am. I understand it's all about building anticipation for sales, but I've lost interest for now. Maybe in a couple of weeks when actual information exists my interest will peak again. Couldn’t have said it better ! Given the fact that I just bought a new 18” and also recently sold a 16 I was leaning more and more to using my preorder for the v10F ...but all this ninja marketing has really made me lose interest. Not necessarily in the wheel itself but the company as a whole . It’s just gotten to be too much . And if we endure all of this just to find out it’s a glorified v8 with a few tweaks . Man that’s going to be disappointing. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUCMania Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 A little info a day, I am bored away. Do a 9B1 Z style of promo video plz. Talking about 9B1 Z, where is it now? still in the cloud. Disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, lizardmech said: I'm guessing they have a 7th mosfet acting as a on off switch for each motor inverter since mosfets fail open. As I said a few times in discussions about EU proposed regulations, I'm uncertain if it actually works, aerospace, defense, automotive and medical systems have trended towards having one highly reliable system rather than multiples. If it can actually prevent a faceplant due to a fet failure while moving it's a good idea if it can't and only means you can still ride home after the faceplant it's a bad idea as you have effectively doubled the probability of a failure with no increase in safety. I was never able to find any sort of demonstration of the dual motor windings on the segway working during a hardware failure. Did inmotion say if they had tested if it works in the event of a failure while in use? naaah... The Inmotion V10 does NOT have any real redundancy beside some parallel battery packs... And nope! Just a „7th Mosfet“ would not be enough, as they work in pairs ... And also it doesnt matter if a Mosfet fails in open or close situation, the result is facplant....close one blocks, open just dont work correct... And to secure mosfets you MUST have a kind of second board !behind! the Mosfets, which controls them all the time AND then take over fast enough...what i totally doubt. we allready would have that if that would be that easy!!! Claims about „dual core“ are just marketing, sorry, ot at least nothing that is substantially.... From what is revealed now(board wise): it is cooled by an active fan....Yeah, good marketing job...IM.... The said „they actively cool critical components“....btw....if there would be redundancy there would be no critical components anymore.... :-) So yeah, good marketing.... Btw.: I am the only person who is a bit criticism to some pure marketing phrases? Yes, for sure nice wheel! 16inch, 2,5 inch wheel, 900 something Watthour, 40kmh absolut max! Definitly a progress to mass market.....(while they also jump from 1000 bucks for V8 to 1700 for this wheel) but might i ask some people that always say „only GW is making big battery/long range/fast wheels that serve my 60 mile needs“.....or „Xxxx wheel is just to low battery with its 1040wh“.....why they dont complain about that here? Edited April 3, 2018 by US69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Scott Henley said: Couldn’t have said it better ! Given the fact that I just bought a new 18” and also recently sold a 16 I was leaning more and more to using my preorder for the v10F ...but all this ninja marketing has really made me lose interest. Not necessarily in the wheel itself but the company as a whole . It’s just gotten to be too much . And if we endure all of this just to find out it’s a glorified v8 with a few tweaks . Man that’s going to be disappointing. Well. We are kinda doing this to ourselves don’t we? If Imtotion got us all wound up over a mystical wheel with undisclosed specs , then more power to them, they’ve succeeded. We are just feeding off of each other. And yes I agree, all this guessing and little bits of info at a time we are being fed are pointless , let’s just wait for the unveiling . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted April 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Aren't we all tired of the dribble of information? At least I am. I understand it's all about building anticipation for sales, but I've lost interest for now. Maybe in a couple of weeks when actual information exists my interest will peak again. Marty, you must have missed the live video feed that showed some awesome shadows of the V10 that have never been seen before. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Urp... ma maybe landscape video and a video stabilization gimbal would have been nice... getting nauseous... Blair Witch cam is nice and fun for a little while, but my eyes my eyes! https://www.bestbuy.com/site/skylab-3-axis-gimbal-stabilizer-for-mobile-phones/5254600.p?skuId=5254600 Edited April 3, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Rose is now following Jeff. You can get a few sneaky looks at the wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Urp... ma maybe landscape video and a video stabilization gimbal would have been nice... getting nauseous... Blair Witch cam is nice and fun for a little while, but my eyes my eyes! https://www.bestbuy.com/site/skylab-3-axis-gimbal-stabilizer-for-mobile-phones/5254600.p?skuId=5254600 LOL....glad I was not the only one. Also to many kids throwing up today. I added to your resume. Plus MemberTM since 2016, Best Buy Geek Wannabe, Thread Derailer Finger Pointer Specialist, ex-PI, Giver of Free Unsolicited Medical Advice, Post-Grade Five Trauma Survivor, avid reef tank observer, self-proclaimed Zenist Dali Lama of EUC riding, all seeing, all knowing smart-ass , Psychic Summoner!, Criminal Mastermind , Inciter of people's worst fears. Make love, not babies! Enabler Agent to the Reluctant Stars. Tryna make some money off you. Stop fighting it. Far too many talents to list them all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 i don’t care. i rode all 5 of my different wheels today. enjoyed them all. gonna ride the twin s1 next. i just need the high pedal inmotion v10f to round out my squad. time is of the essence, especially for me. still getting the z10, i think that’s gonna be my main pasture trail/exercise Bob wheel. i’m gonna have to make a grass trail to my hill where Bob and i like to sit. it’s about 1/2 mile. i figure rototiller, box blade, drag and seed. should have a smooth grass path by summer. the pasture is too rough to keep up with Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WARPed1701D Posted April 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2018 39.25 miles from the V10F in realistic riding. Many hills. Rider weight 165lbs. Not bad. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, lizardmech said: ...it's a bad idea as you have effectively doubled the probability of a failure with no increase in safety.... +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 hour ago, US69 said: naaah... The Inmotion V10 does NOT have any real redundancy beside some parallel battery packs... That's something i realized, that parts of the ?ips s5? topic swapped over to this topic.... Quote .... And to secure mosfets you MUST have a kind of second board !behind! the Mosfets, which controls them all the time AND then take over fast enough...what i totally doubt. we allready would have that if that would be that easy!!! But first of all, before anyone wastes any thoughts on a second board taking over or a third board supervising the absolut requirement is a reliable design/board and firmware. Together with a perfect quality control. If any of this "basics" are not met no "failsave system" or redundancy makes any sense - it will just double the failure rate, as @lizardmech stated... Such a solid designed wheel with good/"perfect" quality control would already be quite a "quantum leap" for EUC's and more than enough for me... Some manufacturers are imho approaching this/are already quite near but still have some " hickups" from time to time... Quote Edited April 3, 2018 by Chriull 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keith Posted April 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, US69 said: And nope! Just a „7th Mosfet“ would not be enough, as they work in pairs ... Not to be pedantic, well OK being as pedantic as hell, MOSFET’s work in 3’s in BLDC motors one (or more) per phase, or being even more pedantic usually one for each current direction per phase so actually in 6’s. Hence usually 6 or 12 of them. Picking up also on @lizardmech in my experience it is far more unusual for power MOSFET’s like these to fail open circuit than short or closed circuit. This is why a MOSFET failure causes the wheel to be hard to turn; the failed MOSFET’s have effectively shorted one or more of the coils acting exactly like a brake. Although as KingSong - oops sorry @US69 - said who cares as open or short circuit the wheel still stops working. However short circuit does make a mockery of any attempt to drive two motor cores from two sets control boards as the ultimate form of redundancy in an EUC, one motor core turning into a brake will totally negate the other core trying to keep you going unless you also design a gear system, something like the way epicyclic gears work such that one motor locking up solid still allows the other motor to freely turn the wheel. Weight, complexity and, ironically, mechanical wear and failure become possible issues then! Edited April 3, 2018 by Keith 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: Rose is now following Jeff. You can get a few sneaky looks at the wheel. Whoever was holding the camera is going to have their hands chopped off! There was a short 30 millisecond clip that showed the entire side of the V10. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Whoever was holding the camera is going to have their hands chopped off! There was a short 30 millisecond clip that showed the entire side of the V10. Shhhhh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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