Jump to content

New Inmotion V10 / V10F


Pingouin

Recommended Posts

6 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

Here’s some interesting reading about heat resistant MOSFETs:

https://www.digikey.ca/en/articles/techzone/2013/oct/mosfets-that-can-take-the-heat

Some MOSFETs have pretty high operating ratings.

I think @esaj mentioned that the datasheets on these tend to exaggerate the operating specifications, but I wonder if the higher quality ones meant for aerospace/aviation/military could be better engineered.  Would people mind paying $400 for a control board instead of $200 as long as it can operate up to 150°C and tackle the steepest hill climbs with a 200 lb rider?  I think most people riding these aren’t likely climbing really steep inclines routinely so they make the boards “good enough” just like how cars don’t all need AWD and don’t need Hummer/Landrover/Jeep climbing abilities.

That is not to say that EUC manufacturers shouldn’t produce an EUC Hummer version since there is a part of the marketplace that needs it.  It’s just that likely 90% are fine with the basic MOSFET specs.  10% need that military/aviation class extreme usage spec so they should make a heavy duty EUC dedicated to that.

It is interesting though that even with the apparent extra engineering that goes into InMotion and King Song wheels that Gotway has the MCM5 among other models that can tackle the same hills with fewer issues.  What’s the secret sauce?  More lax firmware limitations?

 

When purchased in bulk, i think the mosfets they use in our EUCs are only a few bucks a piece, so better mosfets can't be THAT much more. There must be another reason, like size, and therefore reenginnering and different molds. If it was as simple as a direct replacement during the manufacturing process, it absolutely would make sense to make a "tough" version and charge a bit more, like the TRD version of Toyotas. But as you mentioned and probably statistically correct, 90% of us (me NOT being one of them) will probably be okay with what they've designed, probably very happy in fact. Which means their accountants crunched the numbers and it makes no financial sense to engineer for the 10% of us. :efee8c29ce:

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, maltocs said:

 But as you mentioned and probably statistically correct, 90% of us (me NOT being one of them) will probably be okay with what they've designed, probably very happy in fact. Which means their accountants crunched the numbers and it makes no financial sense to engineer for the 10% of us. :efee8c29ce:

F.i. - me. I don't need a V10 with steep hills characteristics. But a wheel, without the other issues - in my case: Forward tilt (roughly 15°) in first turn after riding longer than 20 seconds :o

Max speed in classic mode and so on.

The issues are mentioned in this thread already extensively....

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

In one of my few riding with short pants I fell the shell of the v10f getting hot very quickly. That's in sandy beach were the wheel make a lot of effort to keep moving. Since then I try to ride keeping a small gap between the shell and the legs to improve the ventilation

Edited by Demargon
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, maltocs said:

When purchased in bulk, i think the mosfets they use in our EUCs are only a few bucks a piece, so better mosfets can't be THAT much more. There must be another reason, like size, and therefore reenginnering and different molds. If it was as simple as a direct replacement during the manufacturing process, it absolutely would make sense to make a "tough" version and charge a bit more, like the TRD version of Toyotas. But as you mentioned and probably statistically correct, 90% of us (me NOT being one of them) will probably be okay with what they've designed, probably very happy in fact. Which means their accountants crunched the numbers and it makes no financial sense to engineer for the 10% of us. :efee8c29ce:

Had they marketed the wheel differently perhaps that had set lower expectations. But it's 2018, and when they claim "most advanced electric unicycles" and "industry-leading power"  I don't think anyone expects a wheel that performs much worse than the competition in the same type of situations. Add to that that it apparently performs worse than it's predecessor V8 in the same demanding situations (this based on what others have written, I don't have one myself) the promises fall way short.

I've yet to suffer from the overloads myself,  and am much more concerned with the water ingress issue as autumn is coming here in Sweden and I expect that completely dry days will be few and far between.That being said, they haven't really delivered what they promised - if it's 90% wheel then say that up front. I feel for you mountain trail guys.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 8/8/2018 at 10:59 PM, UniVehje said:

[..]

I’m assuming normally European customers should order from somewhere else. I wish there were InMotion Europe also or just one company representing globally. The team at InMotion USA clearly does the best job at running their marketing and customer relations. The product from a Chinese factory is having some teething issues but their brand management is doing everything right. If they get all the remaining issued ironed out, this will be a killer combination. 

For what it's worth https://www.imscv.com  should be the global company as far as I understand it. Clicking on English on that page brings you to https://www.inmotionworld.com. I've tried to contact them using their form regarding the water ingress issue (since I'm not a Inmotion USA customer), but haven't gotten a response yet.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Nils said:

For what it's worth https://www.imscv.com  should be the global company as far as I understand it. Clicking on English on that page brings you to https://www.inmotionworld.com. I've tried to contact them using their form regarding the water ingress issue (since I'm not a Inmotion USA customer), but haven't gotten a response yet.

Trying to get in touch with inmotion via their page seems to be hopeless. I'm waitung for an answer since 6 weeks. Depsite that, I couldn't select on their page a V10F....... 

Edited by MBIKER_SURFER
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's sad to read about how many people are disappointed with the V10.  I believe I was the only poster to communicate skepticism about this wheel when it was released...reminding me again how I wish we could trade stock in EUC companies.  They were able to capitalize on a lot of goodwill from the V5 and V8.  

  • Like 2
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, Stan Onymous said:

And here is the real kicker - Its an Amazing Ride, fantastic feel of a machine and clearly capable if they would only own up to the FACT of the situation. We are its test pilots. We few in the first release are part of their Research and Development. IM should welcome the chance to redesign the boards and send them out for replacement due to the diamond in the rough they have in this wheel.

A move like that would be a PR win and a R&D win as well as keeping many devoted customers. If handled correctly it could in effect give customers a feeling of ownership and pride in a Company not seen since Ma and Pop stores. It would really go a long way to solidify their Brand identification loyalty.

I love the V10F, I just wish InMotion will show it does too. 

FWIW, my theory is that the Inmotion that developed and released the V5 and V8 is not the same company that is currently in charge and released the V10, despite being able to use the same name.  It would be like if Ninebot decided to get out of the EUC game and decided to sell their remaining inventory and branding rights to a much smaller and poorer company like Rockwheel.  

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

i haven’t modified my software/firmware on my v10f since getting it on may 16th and i use the ios version on my ipad. 

i don’t have mountains and i don’t ride in the rain, not sure if damp roads after a rain is a no go, but honestly, i don’t have any issues with mine. 

rode the 18s yesterday and the 16s today and i think the wheel/tire combo on the v10f is the best for me. a blend between the 18 and the 16. this mght change once i get my z10.

i like the high pedals, big pedals(skid tape would probably be better than silicone but it seems once the silicone loses it’s sheen, they’re ok), headlight, speakers, handle disconnect switch, the handle is comfortable for carrying, the factory cover, and even though i don’t need it and thought i’d remove it, i’m fine wth the trolley handle.

people use online forums for dfferent reasons. i use this forum and every online forum i’ve ever been on, to hear from other consumers about their complaints, and sometimes look for advice on a problem i mght have. not really into videos or selfies, unless it pertains to something technical on a wheel i own.

i’ve probably spent more time on this forum than i have on all the other consumer product forums all together because i definitely want a heads up if one of these wheels had a manufacturer’s defect that would make the wheel try to kill me. 

so in that vein, i appreciate all these torture tests you guys are doing because my logic tells me if the wheels can take what y’all are throwing at it, my light use should be no problem.

should i be afraid to update my software/firmware and which is the best way, apple or android?

on a side note, earlier in the year, i bought a brand new 2016 vw touareg diesel. because of the dieselgate emissions thing, this vehicle couldn’t be sold until it was re-certified 12-17.

yesterday in the mail, i get a recall notice from vw telling me that there’s a recall on the emission system and i have to bring it in to the dealer for a 3.5 hour minimum service call. i only buy new vehicles thinking i won’t breakdown or have to waste my time with it in the shop.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

3 hours ago, Stan Onymous said:

only 4 Pintos caught fire in the entire gas tank fiasco

Infamous! (Americans besmirched hatchbacks for 25 years after that incident...)

Spoiler

giphy.gif

3 hours ago, Stan Onymous said:

The V10 becomes a time released ticking time bomb.

giphy.gif<- V10

Edited by RayRay
Link to comment
Share on other sites

personally, i think keurig should have a little bell or bluetooth to my phone to remind me i started brewing a cup of coffee and it’s now ready. 

i can’t tell u how many cups of coffee i’ve wasted because i forgot about making a cup. 

i’m pretty sure i’m not the only one using medical cannabis.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

57 minutes ago, RayRay said:

 

Infamous! (Americans besmirched hatchbacks for 25 years after that incident...)

  Reveal hidden contents

giphy.gif

giphy.gif<- V10

One of the Four was in a crash test, so that doesnt count.

The ticking time bomb refers to first it was an Overload, then its a water issue, those are pretty darned easy to test for. What else didnt they test for? Did they miss some complicated things too?

You mean there are no heavy engineers in china that could take it for a hill climb? I find that extremely hard to believe, and just think of how bullet proof this vehicle will be when it is fixed! Its Corporate malfeasance not to fix the problem given what this Wheel should be capable of.

Edited by Stan Onymous
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being 255 pounds naked, I looked carefully at the specs before I bought it over the z10 because I couldn’t wait anymore back in May.  I wanted the z10 ever since I saw the September news release of it last year. First it was the bad batch of bearings, then the overload issue/ heat issue and now the weather sealing problem. The selling specs were active cooling which was supposed to prevent heating problems, 260 pound weight load capacity and the weather rating were also selling points for me to proceed. I am still on the shipped firmware of end of May. I can say I don’t feel as safe riding it now than I did when I first got it. I’ve had a complaint that the headlight is too bright for cars so it would be nice if it could be aimed lower. I got my shoe wet and now I know what the complaint about the rubber is now.   I sure hope some fixes will be done. 

Edited by Harold Farrenkopf
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, Harold Farrenkopf said:

if it could be aimed lower

that feature in the app of being able to tilt the pedals in real time is very cool.

course you might have to get use to a forward tilt.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Demargon said:

Reading the comments about overloading and wather issues I need to answer them: they are someone's who don't have any those problems

If that isn't enough I do several times this sand and salty water test at different speeds without problems

Nice to hear that it doesn't seem to be a problem for you with the water! Regarding the overload issues I guess most people will probably not notice these (myself included so far), and if they do at least the wheel still functions as before. Problem with the water issue is that there's currently no way of knowing whether your wheel has an issue except for trying it out and potentially wreck your V10F, which I think most of us aren't too keen on. We don't know whether the exactly all wheels are affected (but the alert sent out by Inmotion suggests that all could be). In short, I guess it will work until it doesn't and at that point you'll have a broken wheel.

Edited by Nils
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...