jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 For those who want to import an unrestricted model, only for know how many people are interested Please copy / paste answering the questions, and send it to me by private message We must organize a purchase grouped by destination and type of model to get the best price and the best guarantee only i need is : country and state : chosen model : I will only contact you if a reseller or resellers offers the best price and services (payment, delivery, warranty, spare parts), it can take a lot of time, warning about chinese prices i announced last 11 august, into my "scoop" remember: this news was given to me by a ninebot insider one day before was released officialy in China. p.s: Dear resellers from occidental world Today I declare you war who will be the first informed about the release in China? who will have the best prices and the best guarantees? who will have the lowest shipping costs? Yes, I know, it's not fair, I'm a simple blogger, I do not have much to gain, my blog is only viewed by 14 800 visitors from 124 countries, and my topics are viewed only 30 000 times... and even if I made money, thanks to my affiliation with resellers, that would be at most 8% of the sale and only if the customer buys with my link, without using adblock. 8% This is not much for you but for me yes it's a lot (for me, my blog life, my visitors) cordialy jojo33/mini-j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 im not really sure about an existing the One Z4 modele.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 After speaking to the NB rep I was informed that US customs will be keeping an eye on their products as they enter the country. I would hate to invest upwards of $2000 for a Z One only to have it confiscated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: I would hate to invest upwards of $2000 for a Z One only to have it confiscated. me too ok i will wait at the canadian frontier, in the snow with my boxes and grizzlis behind me hidden in the wood but with or without my proposal, many people will buy it by direct import from China,surely a massive group order will be suspect ok i rather prefer wait at tijuana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Ideally, the shipments would be declared as something else (cheap) entirely. I say this, and yet I already made the choice to buy a KS18S instead of waiting for the Z10. I'll be waiting for another year before I hop on the Z10 train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, mezzanine said: Ideally, the shipments would be declared as something else (cheap) entirely. Windsor is in USA or UK ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, jojo33 said: Windsor is in USA or UK ? Canada, which is why I like the idea of you waiting at the Canada/US border to make your deliveries. Windsor is right across the river from Detroit. You've got a base of operations with me! If somehow this was to come together in a way that offered significant savings over other options, I could potentially find a way to get onboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 @mezzanine thanks ! well , a new partnership ! i love, or in international waters it's a better place no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, mezzanine said: KS18S you want buy this ?! i's not cheap KINGSONG KS18S € 1,799.00 – € 2,399.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, jojo33 said: you want buy this ?! i's not cheap KINGSONG KS18S € 1,799.00 – € 2,399.00 Wow, the european prices of the 18S never cease to amaze me. I already have the 18S and am grateful I didn't have to go through China to get one at an affordable cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, mezzanine said: the european prices of the 18S never cease to amaze me europan prices are crazy really, for what i would like better prices for everyone, they imagine that as we are European we are very rich... imagine about Mini Pro: released in France in 2016 june at 999 euros! today around 550/650 euros, chinese price is 450 euros Mini Plus chinese price is 450 euros, with my chinese reseller where im affiliate it's 450 euros for all the world (buy direct from xiaomi store), european price 999 euros, amazon US price 799/999 $ Now, in europa all private ninebot reseller disapears, there's only one SEGWAY EUROPA is based in Netherland, who sell in whole europa, each european country have a customer support with a company name is "Salesupply" all request are for salesupply now. it's better i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Even thought I happily buy from websites that don't have sales tax and get tons of cheap Chinese goods while attempting to pay no tariffs, I would prefer the Feds to slap a an enormous tariff on Chinese goods. I've seen first hand as my city has lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs just in the past 10 years. Hell, it's lost half of its retail jobs in the past three! Not that I feel particularly compassionate to my fellow human beings (I've been known to take pictures of poverty-porn), but, man, whole blocks of my city have just been laid waste with closed down factories. You could film a post-atomic Terminator movie here. Anyway, I might buy a Z10 if I get some reliable reviews. I do like my S1 because it feels so refined and beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, LanghamP said: Even thought I happily buy from websites that don't have sales tax and get tons of cheap Chinese goods while attempting to pay no tariffs, I would prefer the Feds to slap a an enormous tariff on Chinese goods. I've seen first hand as my city has lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs just in the past 10 years. Hell, it's lost half of its retail jobs in the past three! Not that I feel particularly compassionate to my fellow human beings (I've been known to take pictures of poverty-porn), but, man, whole blocks of my city have just been laid waste with closed down factories. You could film a post-atomic Terminator movie here. Anyway, I might buy a Z10 if I get some reliable reviews. I do like my S1 because it feels so refined and beautiful. I understand well a lot of people in France bought NINEBOT FRANCE thinking to contribute at the national level to this French official dealer but the truth is very ugly they were not brave workers it was just people with a suitcase of money who went to China to buy copies and resell them 3 or 4 times the price not brave workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, jojo33 said: I understand well a lot of people in France bought NINEBOT FRANCE thinking to contribute at the national level to this French official dealer but the truth is very ugly they were not brave workers it was just people with a suitcase of money who went to China to buy copies and resell them 3 or 4 times the price not brave workers A few weeks ago I went on what I thought was a factory tour of a shall remain unnamed company. That is, I just showed up there with my crazy expensive camera and asked to take a tour which they were happy to show me around. The factory, which was pretty big, just took the Chinese goods out of their boxes and put them in their own branded boxes. Oops. Notably, everyone who worked there was really young, it just seemed odd how normal it has become. Like I thought there would be an assembly line of something (I worked for a few months on an assembly line years ago making coffee makers, and it required hardly anything to do). It's scary that minimum wage $6.50 college students (me) are still too expensive to compete with Chinese labor, it's cheaper to build it there and ship it here than to build it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, LanghamP said: Like I thought there would be an assembly line of something (I worked for a few months on an assembly line years ago making coffee makers, and it required hardly anything to do). It's scary that minimum wage $6.50 college students (me) are still too expensive to compete with Chinese labor, it's cheaper to build it there and ship it here than to build it here. it will take one day, the buyers of euc and gyropodes, ask brands for transparency on factories I would be very sorry, very embarrassed, to learn that children work in factories ninebot segway or learn that women work for 1 euros per hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 i have a chinese friend who works in shangaii, in a wine company. she studied with me here in Bordeaux she had a lot of graduates here in France but she earns only 1000 euros a month for her work if she did the same job in France she would earn 3000/4000 euros per month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Somehow I’m feeling a bit skeptical on this wheel. Yes I want one if the specs are real, but why haven’t we truly seen a prototype really working it? It seems strange that their rideable demo models never made it to CES. If I was releasing a new EUC at the end of the month, and to the US market in two months I think I’d be showing off real production units and demo units to dealers by now.. I’m feeling this wheel might be on the soft side. (although I hope not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mrd777 said: Somehow I’m feeling a bit skeptical on this wheel. Yes I want one if the specs are real, but why haven’t we truly seen a prototype really working it? It seems strange that their rideable demo models never made it to CES. If I was releasing a new EUC at the end of the month, and to the US market in two months I think I’d be showing off real production units and demo units to dealers by now.. I’m feeling this wheel might be on the soft side. (although I hope not) You're not alone in your skepticism. I'm on the other side of the fence; I've been convinced from early on that this is a design evolution we'll see other companies adopt and will represent a step forward for EUCs. Maybe the truth will end up somewhere in the middle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I just hope they revamped the electric motor in the Z to have more torque to be able to handle that big tire rather than just slapping on a big tire on a standard sized motor. I'm not a motorologist, but you would think maybe a combination of larger magnets with more powerful stator coilings could boost the torque abilities? Where's @Keith? Would it just cost too much to develop such a motor? I wonder how much it would take to over-engineer a motor so it could carry a 300 lb rider up the steepest hill without any decrease in maximum safe speed as compared to riding on a flat surface? Would it even be possible within the size confines of an EUC? It would be nice to see the complete elimination of rider error induced faceplants related to insufficient motor capabilities / control board limitations some day. Marty could ride uphill all day any day when that day comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I just hope they revamped the electric motor in the Z to have more torque to be able to handle that big tire rather than just slapping on a big tire on a standard sized motor. I'm not a motorologist, but you would think maybe a combination of larger magnets with more powerful stator coilings could boost the torque abilities? Where's @Keith? Would it just cost too much to develop such a motor? The inertia torque of a wider tire is not in a range (compared to the power needed to accelerate the riders + EUC weight) that a more powerfull motor would be needed. If, for example the mass of the tire goes from 200 gramm to 600 gramm the energy needed to accelerate such 16 inch tires from standstill to 30 km/h would increase from 7 to 21 Joule. In comparison the energy needed to accelerate a 150 kg rider + EUC to 30 km/h is 5200 Joule... 4 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I wonder how much it would take to over-engineer a motor so it could carry a 300 lb rider up the steepest hill without any decrease in maximum safe speed as compared to riding on a flat surface? That's not possible with electric motors - the maximum safe speed depends on the motor load (torque). Going up a hill needs more power (torque, motor load) as riding on a flat surface, so the maximum possible safe speed will be always lower going up a hill... Currently most powerfull wheels are imho already quite near to "your request", as long as one stays at "sane" speeds on flat surfaces and if the manufacturers could design/implement sufficient cooling, wiring andconnectors for the high current demands going uphill. 4 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Would it even be possible within the size confines of an EUC? It would be nice to see the complete elimination of rider error induced faceplants related to insufficient motor capabilities / control board limitations some day. Marty could ride uphill all day any day when that day comes... Also if EUCs have one day a maximum possible speed of 100 km/h there will be riders pushing this limit and still overlean the wheel... (as probably @EUC Extreme ). If one stays in the range below ~35 km/h the specifications of some MSuper V3s+ or Tesla is almost over-engineered enough. Urgent improvements would be the reliability! Like the abovementioned wirings/connector/cooling/Mosfet design. Secondly also stable firmware, no more tiltback of death but acceleration/speed dependend "soft" tiltbacks that not only go for some max speed but also consider the max torque over speed limit of the motor (if some 35 km/h limit on a flat surface is a sane limit for a wheel, this limit would lead to an overlean once one accelerates hard or goes up an incline..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Chriull said: no more tiltback of death . except it isn't funny when it happens to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik's Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I am still on a fence about One Z... Probably going to wait for it to be available here (autumn if not later?) and then decide if user reviews are good enough and if I need the broader tire/heavier EUC for my use pattern.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 i'm sad to say that but SEGWAY NINEBOT quality product is really doubtful (untrustworthy ) it's very dangerous seriously! look last accident with the same parts exactly the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavabo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 What about custom in Canada if we buy direct from China ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Lavabo said: What about custom in Canada if we buy direct from China ?? Logically, the Chinese seller pays customs fees logically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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