ED209 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: We're in the era of immediate gratification and short attention spans We certainly are, it's just that Kingsong wetted our appetites about the 18L a long time ago last year. Inmotion in comparison only notified us of the V10 series just a few months ago. Still you are right, reliability is more important.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: We're in the era of immediate gratification and short attention spans, but I would rather wait a bit longer for a reliable, long lasting product than one that was rushed to market which might have a higher failure rate and need for modifications. Do you have any evidence the delay is due to further testing and safety? Maybe you have a short attention span and need immediate gratification, i just expect the company to deliver a wheel. There is a difference between taking your time, and missing the boat. Edited May 21, 2018 by Hatchet 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Edddeus said: We certainly are, it's just that Kingsong wetted our appetites about the 18L a long time ago last year. Inmotion in comparison only notified us of the V10 series just a few months ago. Still you are right, reliability is more important.? Interesting. I had a totally different experience. I heard about the Z-line about ten months ago. I the heard about the V10/F line in the fall. The sleepers for me were the KS18L and the most recent of all, the Gotway Super X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hatchet said: Do you have any evidence the delay is due to further testing and safety? Maybe you have a short attention span and need immediate gratification, i just expect the company to deliver a wheel. There is a difference between taking your time, and missing the boat. According to a Facebook posting by KingSong, the delays in the 18L production are due to supplier issues - nothing to do with trying to achieve higher quality standards. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hatchet said: Do you have any evidence the delay is due to further testing and safety? Maybe you have a short attention span and need immediate gratification, i just expect the company to deliver a wheel. There is a difference between taking your time, and missing the boat. They are coming out with a line of e-scooters that will probably be way more lucrative than their wheel market. Maybe their efforts have been spread to thin. I am not sure what boat they will miss, as they are not likely to lose many sales to their larger market due to impatience of buyers. In the end KS people will probably wait, especially since the V10/F are not getting many units to market yet. People who want the maximum in performance will wait for the Super X. Edited May 21, 2018 by Jerome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: According to a Facebook posting by KingSong, the delays in the 18L production are due to supplier issues - nothing to do with trying to achieve higher quality standards. Well that's tough for KS, supplier issues I mean, that's rough if it's out of their control. I have high hopes for the 18L, when it does arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Jerome said: They are coming out with a line of e-scooters that will probably be way more lucrative than their wheel market. Maybe their efforts have been spread to thin. I am not sure what boat they will miss, as they are not likely to lose many sales to their larger market by waiting to hopefully get it right. Ask @Jason McNeil, the summer months (now) is a large part of wheel sales, the same problem for the Z10, these are expensive machines, people will buy one and not be looking again for a year or so (for the most part, we don't all have @Marty Backe money! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Hatchet said: Well that's tough for KS, supplier issues I mean, that's rough if it's out of their control. I have high hopes for the 18L, when it does arrive. Me too! I sold my KS18 in February to make way for this wheel. Will also offload the inmotion V8 to make way also. Edited May 21, 2018 by Edddeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jerome said: People who want the maximum in performance will wait for the Super X. 100V Monster is the Maximum. Not everyone will get to experience it as it is too expensive as well as exclusive. Edited May 21, 2018 by Edddeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted May 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: It's funny how we all used to complain (and some still do) about Gotway build/design quality, and we wished Chinese companies took the time to thorough test and develop their wheels. When they do take the time to (hopefully) make a solid product we complain that they are taking too long. 1 hour ago, mezzanine said: I agree, I'd much rather wait for a fully-tested wheel. My only question about the development time is whether it's been longer because of a lack of resources instead of just a prolonged testing period. There seemed to be some ambiguity on that front at one point. It would be nice to see quantifiable testing on all wheels, including the use of a Dynamometer, with a rider heavier than 52 kg. Personally I am leaning more towards messanine’s theory but am cautiously optimistic on Hunka’s supposition. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It looks - and please forgive my young generation's parlance - fookin' baller in black. Pedals exactly the same as those on the 16S, or are they any different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It's okay Kael, I get what you mean. I believe the pedals are the same as on the 16s and 18s. I wonder what colour I will end up getting. I am leaning towards white, will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted May 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hatchet said: for the most part, we don't all have @Marty Backe money! Marty’s hard work and education paid off. I’m still trying to gain access to his ? info. ?️♂️ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Marty’s hard work and education paid off. I’m still trying to gain access to his ? info. ?️♂️ Me too! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Marty’s hard work and education paid off. I’m still trying to gain access to his ? info. ?️♂️ I heard Rehab1 paid for his shoulder surgery with change from the couch cushions 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted May 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: I heard Rehab1 paid for his shoulder surgery with change from the couch cushions Almost correct. I had a choice...pay off the hospital bill or buy some new wheels and listen to my wife bitch. The couch cushions help muffle her voice.? Edited May 22, 2018 by Rehab1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hatchet said: Do you have any evidence the delay is due to further testing and safety? Maybe you have a short attention span and need immediate gratification, I just expect the company to deliver a wheel. There is a difference between taking your time, and missing the boat. I talk from pure speculation. I thought you all knew that by now. And yes I do have a short attention span and enjoy instant gratification. There's plenty of proof regarding that. Whatcha gettin' at? As to whatever is contributing to the total amount of time required to get this wheel to market only King Song knows for sure, but I would hope that a good part of it has to do with testing and quality assurance. My hopes and reality often do not coincide which I accept and which others are free to accept or dispute. King Song doesn't appear too concerned about the release time, and lamenting about it on a forum probably isn't going to make them speed things up. What boat are they missing? There's a boat? Gotway released the Telsa right before winter time. Mine sat for months until I could ride it. I still bought it, and it's still a blast to ride. I personally myself don't perceive a huge urgency for this wheel to come out. There will always be a market for it just like seeing what the next V6 car released from manufacturer X will be like. People have other wheels to ride in the meantime. As long as it's reliable and well built, I'm sure people will buy it no matter how many other 18 inch wheels are released. Then again, what do I know? I'm a nobody. . Why are you even reading what I'm writing? It's pure speculation from a someone you don't even know! . I could be that crazy guy on the street corner preaching the holy gospel. Thou shall not taketh Hunka's word as the absolute truth as he often speaketh from his lower sphincter region! Edited May 22, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I talk from pure speculation. I thought you all knew that by now. And yes I do have a short attention span and enjoy instant gratification. There's plenty of proof regarding that. Whatcha gettin' at? As to whatever is contributing to the total amount of time required to get this wheel to market only King Song knows for sure, but I would hope that a good part of it has to do with testing and quality assurance. My hopes and reality often do not coincide which I accept and which others are free to accept or dispute. King Song doesn't appear too concerned about the release time, and lamenting about it on a forum probably isn't going to make them speed things up. What boat are they missing? There's a boat? Gotway released the Telsa right before winter time. Mine sat for months until I could ride it. I still bought it, and it's still a blast to ride. I personally myself don't perceive a huge urgency for this wheel to come out. There will always be a market for it just like seeing what the next V6 car released from manufacturer X will be like. People have other wheels to ride in the meantime. As long as it's reliable and well built, I'm sure people will buy it no matter how many other 18 inch wheels are released. Then again, what do I know? I'm a nobody. . Why are you even reading what I'm writing? It's pure speculation from a someone you don't even know! . I could be that crazy guy on the street corner preaching the holy gospel. Thou shall not taketh Hunka's word as the absolute truth as he often speaketh from his lower sphincter region! Only because you're not buying any wheels (unless you're doing another stealth buy like you did with the Tesla) Those of us who are eagerly waiting the release of new wheels because we're going to buy them, care. So KingSong (if you're listening), stop already with the endless up-and-down ramp testing videos and start shipping some wheels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted May 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2018 Looks like Singapore / The Wheelies have their KS-18L preprod: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Edited August 18, 2018 by nte 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 i wondering has anybody commented on how the 18l compares with the 18s as far as rideability goes? what’s the advantage or disadvantage over the 18s? just guessing i would think since they have the same wheel and tire, handling sb very similar. i love my 18s for comfort but it isn’t exactly nimble, it takes more effort to turn tight, at least for me it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 18L smaller body, round shape, less weight, smaller battery......probably falls between your V10 and you 18S in terms of maneuverability...........downside compared to 18S is less range due to smaller battery. One other difference is the 2000 W motor on 18L compared to 1500 on the 18S. @Jason McNeil might be able to comment as he has ridden both. looks like height wise probably hit your leg in similar place as the tallish V10, but of course 18L is much thickerer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, Master Blaster said: 18L smaller body, round shape, less weight, smaller battery......probably falls between your V10 and you 18S in terms of maneuverability...........downside compared to 18S is less range due to smaller battery. One other difference is the 2000 W motor on 18L compared to 1500 on the 18S. @Jason McNeil might be able to comment as he has ridden both. looks like height wise probably hit your leg in similar place as the tallish V10, but of course 18L is much thickerer? that’s what i was guessing. u have both v10f and 18s. the v10f is definitely more nimble but than the 18s but u can definitely tell they are both running the wider tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, novazeus said: i wondering has anybody commented on how the 18l compares with the 18s as far as rideability goes? what’s the advantage or disadvantage over the 18s? just guessing i would think since they have the same wheel and tire, handling sb very similar. i love my 18s for comfort but it isn’t exactly nimble, it takes more effort to turn tight, at least for me it does. What possible use could you have for another wheel? What is the total mileage on all of your wheels? Don't get me wrong, it's your money, but as someone who used to work in casino, I can't help but wonder about the psychology. Consumerist pathology is my best guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esash Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, mezzanine said: What possible use could you have for another wheel? What is the total mileage on all of your wheels? Don't get me wrong, it's your money, but as someone who used to work in casino, I can't help but wonder about the psychology. Consumerist pathology is my best guess. You should have stopped with the question mark, and waited humbly for an answer, rather than arrogantly offer your own reckless, condescending guess 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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