brianle Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I have a KS16S on order, so decided it was time to get on board the "better helmet" bandwagon. A helmet is one item I'm not keen to buy online, really want to try it on first (!). So I went to my local REI store to try out beefier, possibly full-face protection bike helmets --- the type used for mountain biking and so forth. I found something there that I hadn't been aware of --- a 'convertible' full-face helmet, the Bell Super 3R MIPS Bike Helmet. This is the type that has a built-in visor and includes the face protection that juts out from the chin, but the key bit for me is that this chin bar part is removable, allowing it to look like a more normal bike helmet. My thinking there is that if I'm on the sidewalk and trying to make like "I'm just riding a modest personal mobility device and I'm no danger to pedestrians", then I'm not keen on wearing a helmet that looks like I'm preparing to be shot out of a cannon or perform other death-defying stunts. But perhaps more often I'll want the full protection the helmet offers. I intended to buy it there at REI (don't like to be the guy that tries things out in a brick and mortar store and then buys it online) --- but they didn't have it in stock in my size, or at least not the color I thought I was looking for. So I thought to buy it at REI online, but Amazon has something a bit weird --- this helmet is $230 at REI and at Amazon, except in one particular color (a kind of teal) where it's $161. For ~$70 my fashion sense isn't all that keen. Anyway, posting here in case others weren't aware of the option of a mountain bike helmet with a removable chin bar. Here's the link to the product at Amazon (I don't get a commission or anything, by all means look at REI or elsewhere if interested!):https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KXZQPZU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I"ve been looking for a full face helmet. The Bell Super 3R is missing the DH certification. I Think the Bell Super DH is probably safer since it has the DH certification. The few helmets I've been looking at are, S1 Lifer Full Face, TSG Pass, Zero Gravity Vector M5 or M6 and Tripple 8 Downhill Racer... I can't decide on which to get. I'm leaning towards the S1 lifer because of the multiple impact certified. I didn't see anyone mention the S1 anywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 4:47 AM, Pasi said: I made some tuning one of my helmet. It is not very hot next summer anymore.. It is 90g lighter now. I am not sure it is fully approved by Petzl anymore. Why would you do that to a helmet. You might as well not wear one if you are going to destroy the structual integrety of it. Not sure it will do anything to protect you in the event of a crash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 15 hours ago, brianle said: I have a KS16S on order, so decided it was time to get on board the "better helmet" bandwagon. A helmet is one item I'm not keen to buy online, really want to try it on first (!). So I went to my local REI store to try out beefier, possibly full-face protection bike helmets --- the type used for mountain biking and so forth. I found something there that I hadn't been aware of --- a 'convertible' full-face helmet, the Bell Super 3R MIPS Bike Helmet. This is the type that has a built-in visor and includes the face protection that juts out from the chin, but the key bit for me is that this chin bar part is removable, allowing it to look like a more normal bike helmet. My thinking there is that if I'm on the sidewalk and trying to make like "I'm just riding a modest personal mobility device and I'm no danger to pedestrians", then I'm not keen on wearing a helmet that looks like I'm preparing to be shot out of a cannon or perform other death-defying stunts. But perhaps more often I'll want the full protection the helmet offers. I intended to buy it there at REI (don't like to be the guy that tries things out in a brick and mortar store and then buys it online) --- but they didn't have it in stock in my size, or at least not the color I thought I was looking for. So I thought to buy it at REI online, but Amazon has something a bit weird --- this helmet is $230 at REI and at Amazon, except in one particular color (a kind of teal) where it's $161. For ~$70 my fashion sense isn't all that keen. Anyway, posting here in case others weren't aware of the option of a mountain bike helmet with a removable chin bar. Here's the link to the product at Amazon (I don't get a commission or anything, by all means look at REI or elsewhere if interested!):https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KXZQPZU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1 You may be interested in this post: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 hours ago, eddiemoy said: I"ve been looking for a full face helmet. The Bell Super 3R is missing the DH certification. I Think the Bell Super DH is probably safer since it has the DH certification. The few helmets I've been looking at are, S1 Lifer Full Face, TSG Pass, Zero Gravity Vector M5 or M6 and Tripple 8 Downhill Racer... I can't decide on which to get. I'm leaning towards the S1 lifer because of the multiple impact certified. I didn't see anyone mention the S1 anywhere. Don't forget to add the Giro Switchblade to the list. It is DH certified and I remain supremely happy with my purchase of it. Also remember that @Rehab1 was wearing a Bell Super 3R during this big crash and hit the chin pretty hard as part of the fall. He got away with just a small cut above the eye. I personally prefer to see DH certification on a helmet but I don't think the Super 3R is a slouch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasi Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 hours ago, eddiemoy said: Why would you do that to a helmet. You might as well not wear one if you are going to destroy the structual integrety of it. Not sure it will do anything to protect you in the event of a crash I have many of these helmets. I just tried how light I could make it. It is for workers at buildings against falling bricks. I think crown is not our main problem. I did not make any modification for side, front and back of the helmet. It is still MUCH more stronger than normal bike helmet. I have many different kind of helmets (1 skate, 4 bike, 1 snowboard, 2 icehockey, 5 motorbike..), this is 1 more. Always I am wearing a helmet and other stuff. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: Don't forget to add the Giro Switchblade to the list. It is DH certified and I remain supremely happy with my purchase of it. Also remember that @Rehab1 was wearing a Bell Super 3R during this big crash and hit the chin pretty hard as part of the fall. He got away with just a small cut above the eye. I personally prefer to see DH certification on a helmet but I don't think the Super 3R is a slouch. Justin the person I sold my Msuper V3s+ to over the weekend was wearing a Giro switchblade. I erroneously thought that the removable chinbar would make it not pass certifications. But that is only for motorcycle helmets. I'm looking for the ones that look similar to the group I listed. I still think it is stronger if it isn't removeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, brianle said: I have a KS16S on order, so decided it was time to get on board the "better helmet" bandwagon. A helmet is one item I'm not keen to buy online, really want to try it on first (!). So I went to my local REI store to try out beefier, possibly full-face protection bike helmets --- the type used for mountain biking and so forth. I found something there that I hadn't been aware of --- a 'convertible' full-face helmet, the Bell Super 3R MIPS Bike Helmet. This is the type that has a built-in visor and includes the face protection that juts out from the chin, but the key bit for me is that this chin bar part is removable, allowing it to look like a more normal bike helmet. My thinking there is that if I'm on the sidewalk and trying to make like "I'm just riding a modest personal mobility device and I'm no danger to pedestrians", then I'm not keen on wearing a helmet that looks like I'm preparing to be shot out of a cannon or perform other death-defying stunts. But perhaps more often I'll want the full protection the helmet offers. I intended to buy it there at REI (don't like to be the guy that tries things out in a brick and mortar store and then buys it online) --- but they didn't have it in stock in my size, or at least not the color I thought I was looking for. So I thought to buy it at REI online, but Amazon has something a bit weird --- this helmet is $230 at REI and at Amazon, except in one particular color (a kind of teal) where it's $161. For ~$70 my fashion sense isn't all that keen. Anyway, posting here in case others weren't aware of the option of a mountain bike helmet with a removable chin bar. Here's the link to the product at Amazon (I don't get a commission or anything, by all means look at REI or elsewhere if interested!):https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KXZQPZU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1 No need to pay full price for the Super 3R and certainly not the older 2R. Amazon prices fluctuate a lot, and they can often be had for $169 or less with free Prime shipping. The Super 2R is about 2-years old and the 3R has been available for more than a year. Bell has also released a newer model: the Bell SuperDH, which is downhill-rated and currently sells for $300.00 on Amazon. The 3R is still a great deal at $170 and costs less (and has better ventilation) than the Switchblade, which is certainly a nice helmet as well. There are several forum members, including me, who wear the Super 2R or 3R. The Bell Super also has the @Rehab1 seal of approval, so you know it's got to be good. Edited April 18, 2018 by litewave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: Justin the person I sold my Msuper V3s+ to over the weekend was wearing a Giro switchblade. I erroneously thought that the removable chinbar would make it not pass certifications. But that is only for motorcycle helmets. I'm looking for the ones that look similar to the group I listed. I still think it is stronger if it isn't removeable. Was he the guy in your first video from the NYC meet? I saw a dude ride up with a Switchblade and ski goggles and overheard a conversation about the chin bar making it not certifiable. Don't forget the MET Parachute. That is a single piece, DH certified, lightweight bike helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, litewave said: There are several forum members, including me, who wear the Super 2R or 3R. The Bell Super also has the @Rehab1 seal of approval, so you know it's got to be good. 8 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: Also remember that @Rehab1 was wearing a Bell Super 3R during this big crash and hit the chin pretty hard as part of the fall. He got away with just a small cut above the eye. I definitely give the Bell Super my seal of approval! I only suffered a small cut above my eye after the helmet impacted the solid asphalt bike trail. The helmet’s chin guard took the brunt of the impact and then the residual forces were absorbed throughout the rest of the helmet. I believe it saved my life as my brain would not have accepted that magnitude of concussion. My wife thinks the helmet rattled my brain even more. Edited April 18, 2018 by Rehab1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I definitely give the Bell Super my seal of approval! I only suffered a small cut above my eye after the helmet impacted the solid asphalt bike trail. The helmet’s chin guard took the brunt of the impact and then the residual forces were absorbed throughout the rest of the helmet. I believe it saved my life as my brain would not have accepted that magnitude of concussion. My wife thinks the helmet rattled my brain even more. Get a rattlesnakes tail and hide it in the helm. Then ask the wife: about the fall and rattling my brain. You might be right. Do you hear rattling too? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: Was he the guy in your first video from the NYC meet? I saw a dude ride up with a Switchblade and ski goggles and overheard a conversation about the chin bar making it not certifiable. Don't forget the MET Parachute. That is a single piece, DH certified, lightweight bike helmet. Was he on a Msuper? If yes, probably Justin. 9 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I definitely give the Bell Super my seal of approval! I only suffered a small cut above my eye after the helmet impacted the solid asphalt bike trail. The helmet’s chin guard took the brunt of the impact and then the residual forces were absorbed throughout the rest of the helmet. I believe it saved my life as my brain would not have accepted that magnitude of concussion. My wife thinks the helmet rattled my brain even more. If you had the full face helmet, how did you get a cut above your eye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted April 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, eddiemoy said: Was he on a Msuper? If yes, probably Justin. If you had the full face helmet, how did you get a cut above your eye? The helmet’s injection molding process does leave some minor imperfections and edges inside the helmet that is mostly covered by an inner liner. My impact shoved the helmet upwards that dislodged the covering thus exposing the semi rough inner edge of the helmet. The best analogy would be holding the edge of pop-sickle against you eyebrow and then crashing into a wall at 25 mph. Even though the pop-sickle stick is somewhat blunt it will still slice through the thin skin surrounding the eye. Edited April 18, 2018 by Rehab1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that0n3guy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Anyone have the TSG pass? How's it feel in hot weather (90-100's)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannings Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, that0n3guy said: Anyone have the TSG pass? How's it feel in hot weather (90-100's)? I have the pass but i'm in the uk so can't really answer your hot weather question lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianle Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 23 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: You may be interested in this post: Rats, wish I had seen this excellent review before I bought mine! Mea culpa, but I was somewhat on the fence about getting a chin bar option at all, so I'm still content with my decision. Seeing also that @Rehab1 actually did some empirical crash testing with this unit and gives it a thumbs up makes me feel even better. Thanks to you both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Cannings said: I have the pass but i'm in the uk so can't really answer your hot weather question lol Does come with auto windscreen wipers and has a speedgage left side in the UK special limited collectors pre-order version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 my new hat. team obsidian. off ebay. $30. lightweight. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, novazeus said: my new hat. team obsidian. off ebay. $30. lightweight. Recently I've seen too many people get hurt with these types of helmets. They don't protect the chin or most of your face. Although in your case, I can see the difficulty in fitting your beard into a full face helmet. LOL Edited April 18, 2018 by eddiemoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post novazeus Posted April 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: Recently I've seen too many people get hurt with these types of helmets. They don't protect the chin or most of your face. Although in your case, I can see the difficulty in fitting your beard into a full face helmet. LOL the best helmet protection is the one you will wear. i might wear this one. real light. not hot. better than nothing approach. always fearful of a cut off but since i don’t go far and i don’t go fast and there are no hills to climb on my road at least, i’m hoping that won’t happen. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted April 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just got my TSG Pass helmet. I wasn't sure a small would fit, but I'm surprised it fits snug. Happy with it so far and doesn't feel hot. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: Just got my TSG Pass helmet. I wasn't sure a small would fit, but I'm surprised it fits snug. Happy with it so far and doesn't feel hot. @eddiemoy great choice on the helmet, I also have one on the way to me right now. Can I ask what your measurements were, as I have heard a number of opinions on how these fit? With my measurement of 58cm coming right on the border line between Medium & Large I opted for the large, so I'm just hoping that it is not too big when it arrives! Edited April 19, 2018 by fbhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, fbhb said: @eddiemoy great choice on the helmet, I also have one on the way to me right now. Can I ask what your measurements were, as I have heard a number of opinions on how these fit? With my measurement coming right on the border line between Medium & Large I opted for the large, so I'm just hoping that it is not too big when it arrives! I'm 22", so right on the edge of small. They do supply extra cushions so, going with Large might make sense for you, you just stuff the included extra cushion if it is too big for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: I'm 22", so right on the edge of small. They do supply extra cushions so, going with Large might make sense for you, you just stuff the included extra cushion if it is too big for you. @eddiemoy Thanks for the quick reply. Will have to see when it arrives then and all being well, it will be a good snug fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, fbhb said: @eddiemoy Thanks for the quick reply. Will have to see when it arrives then and all being well, it will be a good snug fit! a correct fit is supposed to be snug. learned that from my motorcycle helmet shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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