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First EUC - Ninebot S2, Inmotion V8 or KS14D?


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Hi everyone!

I've been debating for over a week now (!) about which EUC to get first. I've narrowed my choices down to the S2, V8 and KS14D.

My personal cons and pros for each one:

Ninebot S2

Pros:

  • Cheapest of the 3 - 584,05€ after discounts. Retails for 699€.
  • The only EUC I can get through an authorised dealer in my country, which means easier warranty claims and no shipping expenses to send it back.
  • STUNNING design
  • 24kmh top speed. I like my teeth and I'd like to keep them lol
  • Slim and light. I value portability.

Cons:

  • No trolley handle (big, big deal for me)
  • No leg pads
  • I've read people saying it can go for only 14km (~9miles). Really? Half the advertised range? I weigh 81kg (178,5 pounds).
  • I've also read that Ninebots are "outdated". How so?

KingSong KS14D

Pros:

  • Trolley handle!
  • Range!
  • Front and back lights.
  • Speakers. Not a must but nice to have.
  • Leg pads

Cons:

  • Costs +419€ than Ninebot at 1.003,14€. Money kinda is a big deal for me... :x
  • "Hello KingSong"
  • All KingSongs look like cheap toys to me for some reason...
  • Trolley handle looks so short! I'm 1,79m tall.
  • Top speed is too high for me. Is there a way to set it lower in the app?

Inmotion V8

As I see it, this one is basically a 16" KS14D with much improved aesthetics (+++), no speakers (= no "Hello KingSong"), clunkier and slightly higher price tag at 1.064,08€. Which takes me to my last point - what's really the difference between a 14" and 16" wheel? I'll be riding mostly in the city but I want to use it off-road sometimes, too. 

Which one of the three do you recommend the most? Is the Ninebot S2 a bad long-term purchase?

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Welcome to the forum @e.motion!

The S2 is the "oldest" wheel, has imho just something about 500W (did not find the motor power while googling)? But it could have be the smallest and lightest euc of your selection? ( Also not really sure about this).

One can also break ones teeth and chin with 20 km/h ?. (1)

For safety motor power is important (the 3kw advertised for the ks14d is just wrong). A nice overview of the capabilites can be found at https://airwheel.ru/2017/10/27/test-monokoles-na-dinostende/. The less capable a wheel is, the easier one can overlean it and risk a faceplant!

But what i remember from the forum reports, there were not much probs reported from the S2 - just quite recently some battery probs...

Reaching just about half the advertised range is quite "normal" for all wheels - with some hills it can get even less. The advertised ranges can eventually be reached by weighing 50 kg and driving slow on a flat road...

For off road driving a 16 inch wheel should be the better choice!

You did not mention range you'd like to go between recharging - quite an important point!

If one likes EUC riding, normally one tends to go longer and faster - so the first wheel will be to weak within a couple of weeks/months...

Especially bicycle riders which overtake one all of the time are very annoying ?. To "prevent" this 30-35km/h max speed is very nice.

For kingsongs top speed can be reduced (tilt back and alarm speeds can be adjusted freely), imho also the "hello kingsong" message can be turned off for all kingsongs by now...

Imho one of the nicest allround wheels by now is the ks16s ... But costs again more than your choices so far...

There were also some other "beginners choice" topics here recently to gather some information, and of course many wheel specific reports/discussions...

Edit (1): the only real protection here is a safe helmet with chin guard (or maybe get some intense parcour training a couple of years before ?)

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1 hour ago, cloudust said:

For a starter EUC, I think you should get a cheap but reliable one. After some beatings, you know where you want to go next.

Yes - there are for sure many for example ninebot one c/e+ users which are after sone years still satisfied with the wheel! Its just suggestions we can give, the decission has to be made personalky to meet ones requirements/desires.

Not beeing the newest and most powerfull wheel the S2 still can be the perfect choice...

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I'd recommend the KS14d (or KS14s) because the other two have lower speeds. Everyone complains at how low the S2 and the V8 feel. The KS14, on the other hands, feels pretty scary at 18-19 mph, so your self-preservation instinct kicks in rather than a software limit.

With my wheels, it goes something like this at 90% speed:

V5F -- wish I could go faster.

KS16s -- wish I could go faster.

KS14c -- this is too fast.

GW MSuper -- this is waaaay too fast!

Be advised 28 kph is about the limit of running off an EUC.

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16S if money is no problem:efee47c9c8:

I'd say the 14D (think of it as a small 16S) is better than the V8 (which is outdated in my opinion) and much better than the Ninebot (which is slow). Though maybe the sub-400€ ebay Ninebot might be worth it, if you can get one, less than half the price of the others. Depends really on what you want. Can you imagine upgrading soon, or would you rather buy your forever wheel now (which in the end, saves money)?

For offroad, 16 inch will be better than 14, but in the end, both is doable.

Would be nice if you detailed yor ideas what you think you'll do with the wheel, how you use it, maybe range ideas, etc. Also, were other models you considered, and if yes what were reasons for ruling them out? Just some more general info.

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I looked around a bit more and I can get a KS16C 680W for 1149,48€ (1335,52 USD), or a KS14D for 970,15€ (1127,16 USD) from https://emonocykle-sklep.pl

Which will give me the best bang for buck?

i'm not sure about the difference between 14" and 16". People say 14" is hard(er) to learn and very unforgiving of bad pavement, yet more agile for city riding. But pavement in Portugal is mostly sh*t... 

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25 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

These prices seem high. Have you checked Alibala?

You think? :(

I can't seem to find any lower, unless I go to ebay. But I don't want ebay because then I have no after sale service/warranty... 

Whatever I'll just go with the S2 + Inmotion V5's trolley handle :/

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43 minutes ago, e.motion said:

I looked around a bit more and I can get a KS16C 680W for 1149,48€ (1335,52 USD), or a KS14D for 970,15€ (1127,16 USD) from https://emonocykle-sklep.pl

Which will give me the best bang for buck?

i'm not sure about the difference between 14" and 16". People say 14" is hard(er) to learn and very unforgiving of bad pavement, yet more agile for city riding. But pavement in Portugal is mostly sh*t... 

I would go the 250€+ for the ks16s - a total dufferent wheel as the C and more than worth the price difference!

I'm not very sure if they did not offer recently the ks16s quite cheaper (indroruction offer?) - the shop owner/a representative is also a member her. Maybe you get a forum rebate ?.

12 minutes ago, e.motion said:

You think? :(

I can't seem to find any lower, unless I go to ebay. But I don't want ebay because then I have no after sale service/warranty... 

Whatever I'll just go with the S2 + Inmotion V5's trolley handle :/

Also a great decision! Have fun riding!

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1 hour ago, e.motion said:

I looked around a bit more and I can get a KS16C 680W for 1149,48€ (1335,52 USD), or a KS14D for 970,15€ (1127,16 USD) from https://emonocykle-sklep.pl

Which will give me the best bang for buck?

i'm not sure about the difference between 14" and 16". People say 14" is hard(er) to learn and very unforgiving of bad pavement, yet more agile for city riding. But pavement in Portugal is mostly sh*t... 

Go for the 16s and invest some bucks more! Write to that shop owner...he has made a good offer recently!!!

It is definitly worth it! the 16c is about 1year old tech, while the 16s i brandnew, new board, motor and firmware, and up till today, flawless in terms of safety!

@KS Poland thats your shop, or? ;-)

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Unless you buy from someone in your town, you're going to have to ship it, for any work to be done, anyway.

Having said that, just because your seller is local doesn't mean he is any good.  my personal recent experience with dealers and distributors, leads me to say, if you want to get serious about these things you're going to have to be prepared to get your hands dirty from time to time.  this is not the Auto industry, with networks of dealers, established warrantee, service, and repair facilities.  This is the dark side of the moon, the bleeding edge of technology, if you will, and you better have brought your own tools, and bandages.  I say this while not 10cm from my left hand is the inside of a 14"wheel.  I mean the axle and coils and nothing else.  by my feet is the rim and tire, and over to my right is a pile of all the rest of it.  I didn't enter this sport in the hopes of dismantling a wheel.  I got in for the fun.  But over time you realise that you may have to rely on yourself if something goes wrong. And when you start looking at £40 of shipping fees and more for parts, you start to search for your screw drivers.  Don't let that put you off. All i'm saying is, if your local dealer doesn't have a rock solid reputation for taking care of his customers, he might as well be on the dark side of the moon too.

 

Loving my KS16s.  Still love my 14c (once the glass axle is sorted out)

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15 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

Go for the 16s and invest some bucks more! Write to that shop owner...he has made a good offer recently!!!

It is definitly worth it! the 16c is about 1year old tech, while the 16s i brandnew, new board, motor and firmware, and up till today, flawless in terms of safety!

@KS Poland thats your shop, or? ;-)

@e.motion the 1200w nominal power of the S vs the 800 W nominal power is a totaly new experience! Comparable to my step from the 500 w ninebot one e+ to the ks16c with 800W.

Once with my ks16c i did not see a "negative bump" while crossing a road, got an bad forward lean by this and was sure i will crash into the asphalt - with some short delay and an adrenalin rush the 16c accelerated below me and everything went well. I'm quite sure that with the e+ i would have crashed and with the ks16S i would not have any story to tell (nothing felt/happened)!

Btw: the S is one of the new generation wheels with thicker(stronger) axles!

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2 hours ago, e.motion said:

Whatever I'll just go with the S2 + Inmotion V5's trolley handle :/

Would you take the 370€ ebay offer or the local seller for 584? For the price difference, I'd risk the ebay thing. Doesn't Ninebot have a dealer-independent repair network anyways, in the worst case? Who here knows more? But do what you're most comfortable with (same applies to choosing the wheel itself). The Ninebot is a good choice to keep the price lower, as the alternatives are double that. But you don't seem 100% happy with it? Take your time and don't feel pressured to order quickly (but you'll probably want to get a ride NOW!!! I know that feeling:efee8319ab:).

Just for completeness, the Inmotion V5F is around 800€ (with shipping) so that's another choice sitting between the Ninebot and the others (though I'm not sure whether its price/what-you-get ratio is good, but it exists, so I thought I mention it). Don't know how strict your limitation to the 3 models S2, V8, 14D is...

2 hours ago, LanghamP said:

These prices seem high.

Welcome to Euroland!

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On 11/21/2017 at 5:12 PM, meepmeepmayer said:

Just for completeness, the Inmotion V5F is around 800€ (with shipping) so that's another choice sitting between the Ninebot and the others (though I'm not sure whether its price/what-you-get ratio is good, but it exists, so I thought I mention it). Don't know how strict your limitation to the 3 models S2, V8, 14D is...

Welcome to Euroland!

I'd eat top ramen until I could afford a KS14s, knowing how the big battery 14 inchers are so suitable for urban life.

 

On 11/21/2017 at 5:31 PM, Smoother said:

I can't remember hearing anything bad about the V5f.  Or is the the V5f+ i'm thinking of?

 

I'm pissed off at my V5F+ for bricking on me due to bad wires.

Note the two black wires with slight cuts. And evidently the control board needed to be replaced.

 

 

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Those are similar pinch spots on my Gotway Tesla battery pack.  Yours don't look too bad as mine had one wire with strands exposed.  It's interesting to see that the control board has what appears to be a gasket around the periphery for the cover.

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1 minute ago, meepmeepmayer said:

You're right, the V5F is too expensive for what it offers, in comparison. I also forgot the V5F vs V5F+ thing.

My V5F+ cost more than my KS16s, though I did get a fast charger and cover. But my GW MS3v cost a mere $750. :)

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