Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hy Folks, As some of you may have recognized....my Tesla has arrived on Monday! As always when i receive a new wheel, i want to nerve you with some of my meanwhile impressions and a kind of diary, to have a review over a longer usetime.... As Things like generell data of the wheels are covered in a lot of other threads, you will not find any technical description of things here, which are pretty clear. Just this: I have the 1020wh Version, the biggest -at the time beginn of November- and received the wheel from one of my favorite aliexpress sellers. Because of that nowadays aliexpress sellers are treated like padophile child abusers, this time the delivery of the wheel took as long as no other wheel i orderd before! Seams because of the intervention of a big European seller, all aliexpress sales gone done down the queue, with even the canceling of orders of one specific state..... I have an opinion of these aspirations to monopolize several markets, but for the forum netiquette i will take these for me this time :-) Lost the thread...aaah, no, because of this @&@€#” my wheel delivery even took 4 weeks before it was sent...plus the 14-18days normal delivery time :-( But now it is here, and what will i say....the first impressions are fantastic- especially for a Gotway ;-) From the outside it really looks like GW this time has put some effort into delivering a quality wheel, shell and overall it occurs just much better than the V3 or ACM.... some more: to be continued..... just in some minutes ;-) 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LanghamP Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 Mmm, wheel porn. I want to run my hands all over you like Harvey Weinstein when confronted with a doe-eyed young actress from the Midwest... 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 Part 2: As the wheel arrived with only about 25% charge...it first has to go to the charger :-) Btw. the battery is displayed by 8 OWN LED at the top of the wheel, i mean with that, that each of this Led is triggered alone, not like for example the 10 stripes on a KS14c, which are in reality only 5 because they go down in pairs! Means ech Led stands for 12,5% load.....2 Leds = 25%, 7 Leds= 87,5 %...very good! and good to see, depending on the LED mode you choose... That leads me to the LED lightshow, for lazyness i copy one my first threads here: On my Tesla i found 2 different Lightmodes for the LED Ring(so far): Mode1: Generel Fast Rotating Lights, when braking the complete Lightring is switching to soft Red. Battery is displayed on max 8 LED's on top, only when Standing still Mode2: NO Rotating Lights, but when braking the back of the Lighring is bright Red. (Very good visible) Battery is displayed while driving, and always on. You Switch through the Mode by short pressing on Powerbutton: Power On/1.Press-> Mode1 No Frontlight 2. Press-> Mode1 with Frontlight 3.Press-> Mode1 with flash Frontlight 4.Press-> Mode2 No Frontlight 5. Press-> Mode2 with Frontlight 6.Press-> Mode2 with flash Frontlight So for fans of fancy light modes: the Lightring is only doing one rotating...not 3 different modes like on KS14/16 and no colorchange possible. Thats a bit weak in my opinion...but i dont Need this fancy stuff anyway. For me that means i have to press the button 4 -5timesevery time i have to power on the wheel..... But that doesnt bother me that much...as it is just 4 short presses, you get used to that! More about lightmode in this thread: So as the wheel was charging....i took the time to do a first look on the internals, which is very easy! You only have to remove 4 screws at each side, to take of the sidepanel. 2 at the top...and 2 under a very quirky protection: Then you can have a look at some other progressions gotway made...for example a thicker axle: Other side: Nice fat axle! Good job Gotway! Next are the motor wires! This have a long history of problems on Gw...and seams Hotway this time also listens and done a very good progression... The wires are MUCH thicker than on the ACM/Msuper and.....they are for each motor phase now only ONE big fat strand! (exactly like on the Ks18S!!!) Take a look here: Does this mean that all is now Silver, gold and glittery inside our Hot...Sorry, Gotways? Nope! Stay tuned for Part 3 :-)....need a drink for my nerves meanwhile :-) 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 Great reading @KingSong69. Regarding styling, it's interesting that the center plastic strip looks very much like the Mten3. The same light, power switch etc. And it's not one solid piece - the front and back are joined at the top. This is just like the Mten3. I wonder, do they pop off just like the Mten3, when the wheel falls 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Then you can have a look at some other progressions gotway made...for example a thicker axle: Our prayers have been answered! I knew if we kept wishing for it, it would come. That plus fat wiring. It's like Christmas already! Next on the list, App firmware updates! Make it so! Edited November 8, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Part 3: Lets stay on the motorwires...unfortunally i dont have photos for all i am reporting here, remember this was just a fast first look inside the wheel, without pulling everything out :-) So while the motorwires are fat thick one strand wires now AND the motor connectors are 4-5 mm thick now, golden and from much better quality....they decided to take each of this motor connectors inside one of those glas heatshrinks, where they did even provide 3 of this heatshrinks extra...you can see them on one photo above (the extra heatshrinks). First: Why extra heatshrinks? are they known to melt away? Second and worst: Instead of having this motor connectors on a place beside the batterys, or somewhere where the y can NOT SHORT by touching each other......they managed to have them ALL together, AND directly above the board and metal heatsink!!! So if ever one of those heatshrinks melts down and lays the connector free, a short by touching the board or heatsink is as good as garanteed:-) Unfortunatly no photo here...but as this is a diary i will some later on! The second Ho...Gotway like style i already reported about the “cut motorwire”...again forgive me my lazyness...read here: Just a short photo again, how Gotway changed the sidepad to get rid of this magnet rim :-) So you all might think this is going to be a Gotway bashing thread? Nope, i promise it will be not! The overall impressions overway those little quirks by far and in the last Part 4 i will describe my riding impressions until now! So stay tuned ...for part 4 ;-) Edited November 8, 2017 by KingSong69 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Second and worst: Instead of having this motor connectors on a place beside the batterys, or somewhere where the can NOT SHORT by touching each other......they managed to have them ALL together, AND directly above the board and metal heatsink!!! Hmm, if I like the poster but I don't like the message then do I still down vote it, or is that sort of like shooting the bearer of bad news? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 Part 3,5 ;-) @Marty Backe remembered me on some other things :-) Yes, the outer glossy ring of the shell is not one part...and it is only kinda plugged on the downside!So chances that after a crash it becomes loose are great, and i am not very convinced by this method at all.... Than also: The Trolley Yes, we have an integrared trolley now....but Sorry, this has so much downsides! First, look at the side where it is sitting: When you stay above the wheel it is sitting left on the handle... For right handers (90% of planet) this is, when pulling it out, quirky...as you would exspect it more on the right side... The idea is (i get it)...that for right handers the trolley then is more near to you, when trolleying the wheel with your right hand...as it would be even more worse...when it would be on the far away side. But bäääh....it is so unstable!!! This is -if at all- just perhaps 10% of the stability a Ks14/16 trolley gives you. It is so thin and wobbly, that when going down even one stair with it, i fear it breaking off! Also, they molded a kinda handle on top of the trolley, which makes it absolutely uncomfortable to have it in the hand.... Instead of this handle on top they should have choose a “grip mold” like on the v3....but, it is what it is...at least we have a trolley, and in the 2 days i kind of get used to it. And to have one last disadvantage and to come back to the magnets: They are to weak!!! Trolleying over a small bump, and the pedals clap down...nervbraking, and the pedals rattling the hole time when trolleying over uneven ground :-( But thats it now, promised! If nobody gives me an idea to part 3,75...in the part 4 we will come to the best of this wheel...the Driving :-) See you there..... 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Part 4...finally :-) Some words to what i am used to at the moment: I am regularly driving my KS18S all the time (received End of July 2017) and have done about 1300-1400kmh since then. I would call the 18S the best available 18inch in the moment, as its drive mode and behaviour is absolutly excellent and even outperforms the 84volt v3s+.... I literally HAVE to sold my V3 (67volt), because everytime i used it after the Ks18s i feared the V3 soft pedals to give way when braking hard or accelerating to fast. (to make it clear: they did not!Just a feeling!). But the differences between the both just have been that much that the V3 only worked as a dust collector at home! To make it short: I have high expectations and i am kind of spoilt by my main wheel! To make it also short: The Tesla outperforms all my exspectations! It is such an agile, reactive AND powerfull wheel...it is a pleasure to drive it! Finally, finally Gotway has managed to come back to a real rock hard pedal setting with no play at all!(which i last saw on the Mcm2s)! I allready heard that before, that they have a kind of new firmware on their new wheels, and hoped that this includes the Tesla, and was highly rewarded for my trust to but a Gotway again(despite all hardware failures, which i really hate). There are absolutely no pedal dippings when driving in curves, the pedals all time stay horizontal and dont “know” a tilt up or down :-) Idling on this wheel is a pleasure, as it is reactive and powerfull enough to shift you back and forth with ease! For me, drive and riding mode wise, the best 16inch wheel available! What also stands out, that it is relatively quiet and the high pitch noise, all GW have, can only be detected when listening carefully. I did not have that much Kilometers in this stadium...but from a feeling i would say the power consumption is quite good....but as sad, just a feeling until now. Also i did not beat the wheel to its speed borders...i am not that kinda guy, also in this first days i dont over accelerate...that comes with time. But allready with average risk-the acceleration abilities are stunning! Unfortunatly all IOS apps i know, dont show real voltage (always in the 60’s) and the amperage/wattage on all apps seams 2-3 times to high. i really would like to know the real numbers here!!! So, conclusion: Gotway has stepped up the game once more! The general quality got higher...while there are still some little quirks, but these can all be handled! Perhaps the assumed motor connector melting in reality will be never a prob...who knows?! Overall a fantastic wheel, with very great drive abilities and characteristics! Do i recommend getting one? Definitly YES! (as long not paying 2200 dollar ;-) ) Hopefully this little first impression was helpful! If there are any questions....don’t hesitate to ask! As none motherlanguage it is allways hard for me to describe the wheel beahviour, i hope you get the point :-) Will be continued the next few weeks..... Edited November 8, 2017 by KingSong69 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: If there are any questions....don’t hesitate to ask! When are you updating your username to...? Edited November 8, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Before this review of the Tesla, I was uncertain whether Gotway would be able to recover their market position given the problems over the last year. If I was CEO of Gotway, releasing the Tesla with the improvements that are being observed is exactly the move I would have made. Even if they were very poorly prepared to respond in the short-term to the systemic problems of the last year, this is a sign that at least there is smart and strategic leadership at the top that recognizes what needs to change. Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone could have known that prior to the Tesla. It really looks like the ideal 16" and when asked what the best overall wheel is, instead of saying 16S I think it's going to be the Telsa. It gives me much more confidence that they're going to compete better by adopting a higher standard across their line in the future. I seriously considered the Tesla before buying my first EUC and probably would have if we'd had early reviews at that time. If I was doing it all over again, I probably would have gone that route. I'm curious to know whether the Tesla can displace the KS18S as your primary wheel, KS69. It almost sounds like you're cheating on your wife with a new girl. Edited November 8, 2017 by mezzanine 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, mezzanine said: Before this review of the Tesla, I was uncertain whether Gotway would be able to recover their market position given the problems over the last year. If I was CEO of Gotway, releasing the Tesla with the improvements that are being observed is exactly the move I would have made. It really looks like the ideal 16" and when asked what the best overall wheel is, instead of saying 16S I think it's going to be the Telsa. It gives me much more confidence that they're going to compete better by adopting a higher standard across their line in the future. I seriously considered the Tesla before buying my first EUC and probably would have if we'd had early reviews at that time. If I was doing it all over again, I probably would have gone that route. I'm curious to know whether the Tesla can displace the KS18S as your primary wheel, KS69. It almost sounds like you're cheating on your wife with a new girl. The ideal 16-inch wheel has more than a 1040wh battery, IMHO. That's why I'm waiting for the Tesla V2. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brian Morris Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The ideal 16-inch wheel has more than a 1040wh battery, IMHO. That's why I'm waiting for the Tesla V2. Tell me how the holy hell you ride all that battery out. I run the tesla 80% to 20% in one run and my feet are done 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: Part 3,5 ;-) @Marty Backe remembered me on some other things :-) Yes, the outer glossy ring of the shell is not one part...and it is only kinda plugged on the downside!So chances that after a crash it becomes loose are great, and i am not very convinced by this method at all.... Than also: The Trolley Yes, we have an integrared trolley now....but Sorry, this has so much downsides! First, look at the side where it is sitting: When you stay above the wheel it is sitting left on the handle... For right handers (90% of planet) this is, when pulling it out, quirky...as you would exspect it more on the right side... The idea is (i get it)...that for right handers the trolley then is more near to you, when trolleying the wheel with your right hand...as it would be even more worse...when it would be on the far away side. But bäääh....it is so unstable!!! This is -if at all- just perhaps 10% of the stability a Ks14/16 trolley gives you. It is so thin and wobbly, that when going down even one stair with it, i fear it breaking off! Also, they molded a kinda handle on top of the trolley, which makes it absolutely uncomfortable to have it in the hand.... Instead of this handle on top they should have choose a “grip mold” like on the v3....but, it is what it is...at least we have a trolley, and in the 2 days i kind of get used to it. And to have one last disadvantage and to come back to the magnets: They are to weak!!! Trolleying over a small bump, and the pedals clap down...nervbraking, and the pedals rattling the hole time when trolleying over uneven ground :-( But thats it now, promised! If nobody gives me an idea to part 3,75...in the part 4 we will come to the best of this wheel...the Driving :-) See you there..... That's unfortunate about the trolley handle. What is it with Gotway, that they apparently don't know to to make a comfortable handle? I love how stout and comfy the handle is on my KS14S. I think prefer the Gotway pedals to the KingSong pedals. Every time I put the pedals down on my KS14S I swear a little - they really are too stiff. On my Mten3 I can flick them with my foot to put them down. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, Brian Morris said: Tell me how the holy hell you ride all that battery out. I run the tesla 80% to 20% in one run and my feet are done I have no problems going for a 45+ mile ride. I consider the Tesla battery size to be barely acceptable for high performance wheel. And when you have a fast and powerful wheel you want to ride it hard. That's going to consume lots more power than a slow and pokey wheel like the KS16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: <snip> Finally, finally Gotway has managed to come back to a real rock hard pedal setting with no play at all!(which i last saw on the Mcm2s)! I allready heard that before, that they have a kind of new firmware on their new wheels, and hoped that this includes the Tesla, and was highly rewarded for my trust to but a Gotway again(despite all hardware failures, which i really hate). <snip> Very interesting observations @KingSong69. Thanks. Just out of idle curiosity, did you try all three ride modes. Is Soft still soft like the V3. I do enjoy riding my wheels in soft mode sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The ideal 16-inch wheel has more than a 1040wh battery, IMHO. That's why I'm waiting for the Tesla V2. I have a hard time seeing anything competing with the Tesla on the horizon. If I had to vote for most "future proof" wheel available right now, I'd say Tesla. I feel Gotway has shown awareness they have a lot riding on this release and are going to get a much needed win. I'm curious what change they'd have to make to the shell to make it compatible with a larger battery. I feel for you guys who like larger batteries because I fear we may actually be seeing a swing in the opposite direction after a long, slow move towards more capacity. I said in the Ninebot thread that I feel it was a mistake not to have made the Z6 a 16" wheel with a 3" wide tire. I don't see anything competing with this in the next year, but we'll see. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mezzanine said: Before this review of the Tesla, I was uncertain whether Gotway would be able to recover their market position given the problems over the last year. If I was CEO of Gotway, releasing the Tesla with the improvements that are being observed is exactly the move I would have made. Even if they were very poorly prepared to respond in the short-term to the systemic problems of the last year, this is a sign that at least there is smart and strategic leadership at the top that recognizes what needs to change. Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone could have known that prior to the Tesla. It really looks like the ideal 16" and when asked what the best overall wheel is, instead of saying 16S I think it's going to be the Telsa. It gives me much more confidence that they're going to compete better by adopting a higher standard across their line in the future. I seriously considered the Tesla before buying my first EUC and probably would have if we'd had early reviews at that time. If I was doing it all over again, I probably would have gone that route. I'm curious to know whether the Tesla can displace the KS18S as your primary wheel, KS69. It almost sounds like you're cheating on your wife with a new girl. Things to still have in mind: While i like that Tesla...Gotway still isnt there ! As we have read on another thread, GW mosfets fail 3-5% or more, the percentage for the Tesla still has to be seen. While literally the hole world did not see ONE fail of the better Mosfets Kingsong is using! As long as THIS is not adressed by Hotway...they in my opinion still have a problem! Unfortunatly the “normal” user of EUC has not in mind how important good boards/hardware are...thats the only luck GW has at the time! For the question if this will displace my Ks18s...Nope! Never! Today is 3rd day...and i allready totally miss the opportunity to sit down, also to hear music while commuting! Nope! The 18S is still the much better, more adult, grown up wheel ;-) Edited November 8, 2017 by KingSong69 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Very interesting observations @KingSong69. Thanks. Just out of idle curiosity, did you try all three ride modes. Is Soft still soft like the V3. I do enjoy riding my wheels in soft mode sometimes. Nope, not yet...will do for you tomorrow and report.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, KingSong69 said: For the question if this will displace my Ks18s...Nope! Never! Today is 3rd day...and i allready totally miss the opportunity to sit down, also to hear music while commuting! Nope! The 18S is still the much better, more adult, grown up wheel ;-) I'm very happy to hear you say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 59 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: Things to still have in mind: While i like that Tesla...Gotway still isnt there ! As we have read on another thread, GW mosfets fail 3-5% or more, the percentage for the Tesla still has to be seen. While literally the hole world did not see ONE fail of the better Mosfets Kingsong is using! As long as THIS is not adressed by Hotway...they in my opinion still have a problem! Unfortunatly the “normal” user of EUC has not in mind how important good boards/hardware are...thats the only luck GW has at the time! For the question if this will displace my Ks18s...Nope! Never! Today is 3rd day...and i allready totally miss the opportunity to sit down, also to hear music while commuting! Nope! The 18S is still the much better, more adult, grown up wheel ;-) Correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't experienced the joys of riding a Monster. The Monster is the true, Adult, Grown-up, wheel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) The Egg has landed. First impression is that it looks like a very nice wheel. Sadly the GW emblems are scuffed up already from the grip tape. It's not as heavy as I was afraid it would be. Edited November 9, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: The Egg has landed. First impression is that it looks like a very nice wheel. Sadly the GW emblems are scuffed up already from the grip tape. Congratulations. You must be very excited. And to think you now own probably the most powerful EUC on the planet. Ninebot to Tesla. Now that's how to upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Thanks! I was more excited before all the UPS tracking exceptions delaying the shipment, but it is very cool to actually own a Gotway after all this time watching other people ride them and talk about them here. Not much chance to ride it unfortunately as there's too much dang snow outside. Hopefully it will melt away a bit so I can at least give it a try. Some more photos: I bet there was a higher lip around the magnet that they ground away. It is right over the axle nut and cable area. Four teeny tiny screws secure the heavy duty plastic side panel on. The stand-offs underneath on the case are pretty undersized to resist moderate crashing forces if the panels get banged up. There's lots of room inside. I don't know why the plastics moldsman didn't reinforce those areas with thick areas of plastic and sink in brass screw keepers like the Ninebot One. Those little screws don't instill confidence and appear to only bite into the plastic threads by the last one third of the screw end. The carbon-fibre look panel is nice looking though, but the top foam pads definitely look like an after-thought. The seams don't appear to be waterproof in any way. There is a small lip on the case near the top of where the panel meets. A small inset rubber gasket around the panel periphery would have helped make things water resistant. The odd snap in / snap out trim piece that covers the lower screws fits loosely and is purely cosmetic. Simple screw hole rubber plugs or plastic cover plugs would have been fine to avoid needing this piece. Top where the seam is. It joins well and isn't that noticeable. The glossy plastic around the periphery is a nigthtmare to figure out how to protect. It looks nice, but since there aren't lights underneath and it is likely to get scuffed up I don't know why they didn't make this area more like a matte bumper or something. Maybe some clear auto trim strips would work? I'm not 100% convinced that the axle size has been increased. I will take some measurements later. Maybe someone can check the size of the case mount screws and compare the nut / axle size to their wheel. The axle looks about the same size as the Msuper/ACM axle photos I've seen. Mine has the anti-bend coil present aaaand some heat shrink tubing. I was surprised to see how small gauge the hall sensor wiring is. Are the motor wires thicker than on other Gotways? Again they look the same as other ones I've seen? The trolley handle does feel a little flimsy. I think it could be of better quality. In terms of height it's perfect for me. Edited November 9, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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