John Eucist Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I was told by Gotway boss (Show Lin) today that I'm allowed to disclose that they are coming out (early September) with a new 14 inch that has an 800w motor with 680 Wh battery capacity. It will have app adjustable tilt-back. It also has a "ninebot style" spinning LEDs with a completely redesigned shell. This will put it in direct competition with the 800w KS14. Interesting times ahead for us end-users! EDIT: I was shown a video of it in action but, unfortunately, was told I'm not allowed to share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag_Rip Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So how is the redesigned shell looking in your opinion? Is it nice? Is it ninebot-like too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Eucist Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 So how is the redesigned shell looking in your opinion? Is it nice? Is it ninebot-like too?Rounder appearance. Slightly oval vertically. Spinning LEDs along the perimeter (not on the sides). "ninebot-like" in terms of the spinning lights. Flat pedals (no center gap). It looks pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag_Rip Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 oval sounds interesting, also I like the lights on the perimeter, something the 9B1 lacks. Please post the vid as soon as you are allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc415 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 will definitely be interested in seeing what it looks like. the flat pedals is a good idea for foot fatigue; will the app enabled tilt back mean there will be no cut-off? I was disappointed to see a wheel that had tilt back feature still cut off once the user kept leaning forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If you force anything beyond its capabilities it will fail. That's an inescapable truth. It's also why we incorporate safety systems into most items in the form of beeps, audible warnings and pedal tilt but all these systems require the brain of the rider to take notice and act accordingly.One assumes that in order to start learning to ride a euc a brain is a prerequisite so where's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc415 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If you force anything beyond its capabilities it will fail. That's an inescapable truth. It's also why we incorporate safety systems into most items in the form of beeps, audible warnings and pedal tilt but all these systems require the brain of the rider to take notice and act accordingly.One assumes that in order to start learning to ride a euc a brain is a prerequisite so where's the problem? I'm with you half way - here's why. My friend was riding a generic that had the tilt back system and b/c he believed it was designed to not cut-out, he went at max speed. It cut off on him and he got some nice road rash. Honestly, I don't blame him b/c I might've done the same thing. It's one thing to know that the GW you're about to ride will cut out on you; it's another to think that this wheel that has the safety features won't, hence I should be able to push past the beeps and tilt-back.That said, I don't see why installing something that prevents cut out is so difficult? For example, instead of cutting out, why not program the device to simply maintain max speed or reduce speed automatically on its own vs just cutting off? I know this argument has been made before, not sure where it ended up going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If you are travelling at any speed, slow or fast and your feet are relatively immobile on pedals then when you lean forwards you are putting yourself off balance. If the wheel doesn't compensate by speeding up to maintain your balance you WILL wipe out even if the wheel doesn't cut out. The only way you could save yourself is by stepping forwards to regain your balance, just as you would if you were standing on your own two feet. Trouble is you are traveling so when you step forward it had better be quick enough to compensate for your momentum, ie. Run it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc415 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I was told by Gotway boss (Show Lin) today that I'm allowed to disclose that they are coming out (early September) with a new 14 inch that has an 800w motor with 680 Wh battery capacity. It will have app adjustable tilt-back. It also has a "ninebot style" spinning LEDs with a completely redesigned shell. This will put it in direct competition with the 800w KS14. Interesting times ahead for us end-users! EDIT: I was shown a video of it in action but, unfortunately, was told I'm not allowed to share it.John,Do you know if they will be releasing any other new models in that time frame or shortly thereafter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm with you half way - here's why. My friend was riding a generic that had the tilt back system and b/c he believed it was designed to not cut-out, he went at max speed. It cut off on him and he got some nice road rash. Honestly, I don't blame him b/c I might've done the same thing. It's one thing to know that the GW you're about to ride will cut out on you; it's another to think that this wheel that has the safety features won't, hence I should be able to push past the beeps and tilt-back.That said, I don't see why installing something that prevents cut out is so difficult?I believe it's not. For example, instead of cutting out, why not program the device to simply maintain max speed or reduce speed automatically on its own vs just cutting off?Right, I believe the main reason is that this is not the default behavior of usual battery package protection/management. That is, to accomplish this (and still protect the battery) they need to write a custom protection/management routine (and inactivate the default one) which is overall probably more work than we would like to think it is. Only limiting to max speed / max current is much much better than cut-off, but still can make you easily loose balance, as Gimlet pointed out above. Though, I can see that it is possible to have a limit speed, where a forward-lean is overcompensated thereby immediately reducing the added speed that comes as a natural consequence from the forward-lean. This might impose as a shaking/rocking motion to the user.I am quite convinced that in two years from no branded wheel will just cut off by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Though, I can see that it is possible to have a limit speed, where a forward-lean is overcompensated thereby immediately reducing the added speed that comes as a natural consequence from the forward-lean. Isn't this in effect what tilt back does by pushing g your toes back upWe've found that if you are going to push past all the safety warnings for testing purposes the best way is to use the "toe tapping" technique at the top end.So don't commit your weight foward for additional speed but gently and momentariy push your toes a little further down like an accelerator on a car and if you feel even the slightest hesitation in the wheel back off immediately and that way most of he time you can stay on the euc rather than trying to emulate Usane Bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Isn't this in effect what tilt back does by pushing g your toes back upAgreed. Yet, tilt back, I (naively) thought, just changes the default inclination of the wheel and in some way rather implements a speed warning. But then, I guess, it becomes impossible to accelerate with large enough tilt back as well, so yes. We've found that if you are going to push past all the safety warnings for testing purposes the best way is to use the "toe tapping" technique at the top end.So don't commit your weight foward for additional speed but gently and momentariy push your toes a little further down like an accelerator on a car and if you feel even the slightest hesitation in the wheel back off immediatelySounds like a very useful technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Eucist Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Gotway MCM4 photo in this link. I am assuming it's okay (no longer secret) to share the link since it is now made PUBLIC by this site.http://www.dbcsj.com/news/d/2/1495 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc415 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Gotway MCM4 photo in this link. I am assuming it's okay (no longer secret) to share the link since it is now made PUBLIC by this site.http://www.dbcsj.com/news/d/2/1495that looks nice! almost looks more like a ninebot v2 than a gotway. do you have any additional specs on it? wonder what the weight is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Eucist Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 that looks nice! almost looks more like a ninebot v2 than a gotway. do you have any additional specs on it? wonder what the weight isNot really. But @Jason McNeil have stated that the 800w motor is about 2 kg heavier than the 500w motor on the King Song 14 inch. I suspect the weight difference will be the same with the Gotway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Not really. But @Jason McNeil have stated that the 800w motor is about 2 kg heavier than the 500w motor on the King Song 14 inch. I suspect the weight difference will be the same with the Gotway.I was a bit surprised how much the weight goes up between 800W and 500W, but guess it does require that much more metal in the motor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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