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Air pollution kills people since us use fire for warm our houses. Smoke only speed up the natural selection for a pollution proof people. Show to everyone your smoker and sporting capacity makes you cool in a Darwin way 

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Hi, Where do you live ? I know here in France we often get coments that we don't want to do some effort/sport, because EUC are often compared to bicycles. However, I really don't think that peopl

I've never really understood the phrase 'I respect your beliefs.' I obviously don't, because if I respected them, they'd be MY beliefs. I think when people say that phrase, what they really mean is

I wouldn't be too smug about the vaping.  There's nothing smart about breathing in toxic chemicals and filling the air with it for those of us who actually care about our health and don't want to brea

7 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Only people who have never been smokers think like you do. Ever wonder why?

That's very unlikely to be true. Ignorance about the nature of addiction can't possibly be limited to non-smokers.

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I can't even bother to quote @gotmotion2016.

But yes, if it is weakness to not be able to stop smoking cold turkey, then I am a weak person. Actually I'm probably a hedonist, as I can't understand why I should do self-flagellation when there is an alternative that gives me the same pleasure at a few percentages of the risks? If you're into the kinkiness of punishing yourself without reason, please do so, but leave me out of it.

So I said it, can we move on to the actual consequences of the choice of vaping to stop smoking? For me it has been a world of difference, all to the better.

Also mr (mrs?) @RooMiniPro, could you please stop mixing up smoking and vaping just because both produce clouds? The toxicity of vaping as compared to smoking is so low for bystanders, that even permille is a somewhat blunt scale to measure it. For me as a vaper the difference is at least 95%, for you as a bystander the risks are like 1/800 - 1/2000. An hour in the centre of a medium NA or EU city gives you more carcinogenic chemicals in the air you're breathing, than a day inside the home of a vaper. A lorry driving by on the asphalt will dust your lungs more than me blowing five minutes of my steam in your face.

You may not like it, and that's fine with me, but at least keep it real.

FYI my favourite tastes in vapes are: Apple Crumble Pie, Blueberry Waffle with Sweet Cream and Maple Syrup, French Toast, and Honeydew Melon Strawberry Pear Mix. I am 51 years old, and not even a sweet tooth normally, but these bakery vapes and fruit vapes are deli.

When I quit tobacco I used a 12mg/ml mix, now I use 3mg/ml. I have made no conscious move to lower the level, it has just happened naturally. Funnily enough nicotine in and by itself is not that addictive, it's when you mix it with tobacco alkaloids that it becomes an addictive killer. Ask the mice that rejected the nicotine solution while going crazy about the tobacco distillate... OR ask me, that needed two months to stop feel the cravings for tobacco even though I got just as much nicotine through vaping. The reason it worked for me, was that it was still enjoyable - and it took the edges off the cravings. Gum, patches and so on also takes the edges of the cravings, but it is about as enjoyable as a pimple in the a***.

There is another "toxin" that is remarkably close in effects and danger to nicotine, and that is caffeine. It also sharpens the focus, heightens the pulse, stiffens the arteries, creates withdrawal symptoms, and all that we associate with nicotine. The amounts of intake that are considered dangerous are about six times as high with caffeine, but other than that they have a lot in common. Imagine that :)

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1 hour ago, Scatcat said:

There is another "toxin" that is remarkably close in effects and danger to nicotine, and that is caffeine.

I would have to reread about the effects of nicotine bar tobacco. For caffeine though it's pretty clear, it's about as non-dangerous as any food could possibly get.

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12 minutes ago, Mono said:

I would have to reread about the effects of nicotine bar tobacco. For caffeine though it's pretty clear, it's about as non-dangerous as any food could possibly get.

There have just been a few tests, one in France and the other in GB (if I remember correctly). But those showed with a rather remarkable clarity, that given the choice between a mix of nicotine and tobacco alkaloids and pure nicotine of the same concentration, the "nicotine addicted" mice chose the witches brew just about every time.

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17 minutes ago, Scatcat said:

There have just been a few tests, one in France and the other in GB (if I remember correctly). But those showed with a rather remarkable clarity, that given the choice between a mix of nicotine and tobacco alkaloids and pure nicotine of the same concentration, the "nicotine addicted" mice chose the witches brew just about every time.

The preference of mice doesn't tell us much if anything about the dangers of nicotine or tobacco for humans. In any case, we know the dangers of (smoking) tobacco very well and we know that prescribing nicotine is a common medical practice to treat addiction to tobacco. The latter is a pretty good indicator that nicotine can't be a particularly harmful drug, but I am pretty sure that's all more or less textbook stuff, just would need to look it up. Wikipedia says that "Beyond addiction, both short and long-term nicotine exposure have not been established as dangerous to adults, except among certain vulnerable groups." which is pretty much what I had in mind as well.

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2 hours ago, Scatcat said:

The toxicity of vaping as compared to smoking is so low for bystanders

Where do you think all that burnt coil goes? Heavy metals are as toxic as anything I know.

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10 minutes ago, wheelr said:

Where do you think all that burnt coil goes? Heavy metals are as toxic as anything I know.

Just from a vapers perspective:

Changing to vaping makes me breath better again, smell again, getting up stairs better again, making my teeth better, everything!

Btw. the coil does nothing else than heating the liquid like in a water boiler...do you still drink that water? guess so!

its a misbelief that the „coil“ is glowing, burning or whatever...it just got to a temperature where it boils the liquid, and that got vaporized.

 

But i am on a pretty easy stand point: Every one can do what he wants, as long as he dont affect others!

 

Another thing for this thread:

We can discuss anything and all here....but if it gets offensive or to faul language...as for example @kasenutty the next time will receive warnings or/and bans! There is a clear rule of netiquette like in every other forum!

 

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I don't know about the "smokers who quit by vaping", I just don't see it. All the vapers I know are still heavy smokers, or at least they vape then bing smoke normal cigs.

Vaping just seems to encourage smoking, in my opinion, they smoked heavy before vaping, they smoke even more after vaping.

I guess that's why I partially agree with @RooMiniPro.

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4 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

I don't know about the "smokers who quit by vaping", I just don't see it. All the vapers I know are still heavy smokers, or at least they vape then bing smoke normal cigs.

Vaping just seems to encourage smoking, in my opinion, they smoked heavy before vaping, they smoke even more after vaping.

I guess that's why I partially agree with @RooMiniPro.

Might be you dont know any....

I only know people who got it, vape now and stoped smoking, or failed, and get back to smoking.

I am vaping since 3 years, nearly reduced nicotine to zero since that, and got a much better health since then. So now you „know“ one ;-)

 

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Funny what a hot topic vaping got to be in a forum for electric unicycles :D

At least I know my 18650s and 20700s, since we use them for vaping too - and use them hard.

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Yes vaping produces fumes, and has potentially toxic things in them.

The vapor is produced by heating vegetable glycerin to the boiling point. Same stuff that's in soap and skin moisturizer. And makes nice clouds in Discos ^^

They throw some polypropylene glycol in there to give the smoke hit sensation. It's also used as a conservative in most skincare and dietary products.

Of course you got some nicotine, which is both a pesticide and a human neuron enhancer, with amphetaminic properties.

The rest is just GRASS certified aromas that are used in food and flavoring additives.

It's about 100 times less toxic than cigarette smoke.

Unfortunately some flavorings where meant to eat and not breathe and can cause complications.

But less to those around you than let's say car smoke, eating a load of crappy food, sitting in a nice sofa's that gives off God knows how many VOC particles, plugging in those nice synthetic parfum dispensers (or roach/moskito dispensers) ..etc ^^

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Congrats to all of those that were able to break their cigarette addictions.  Truly.   Several of my best friends are going to live much longer lives because of vaping.  I know the addiction remains but my understanding is that people consume less nicotine as vapers since the unit of consumption is a draw or two instead of an entire cigarette.  I have no direct data on that but I'd like to think it's true.  

As for 2nd-hand cigarette clouds - not a fan (same for domesticated dogs, but that's another story).  I don't care for vape clouds either but would gladly zip through some banana-cream-pie smelling fog (plus the unknown toxins) over the well understood dangers of cigarette smoke.  

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Since we contaminate all around the world we don't deserve a pollution free environment. Stop consuming electronics, wear, and food what makes insostenible his production and after that talk about stop smoking in public places 

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36 minutes ago, Demargon said:

Since we contaminate all around the world we don't deserve a pollution free environment. Stop consuming electronics, wear, and food what makes insostenible his production and after that talk about stop smoking in public places 

That is absolutely not comparable.

Maybe we should start smoking in closed offices and airplanes again?

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I see this thread, and while the latter half of it is more about vaping the EUCs, it kinda answers the original question... doesn't it.

We stopped discussing EUCs, which are revolutionary and edgy, and which we all love.
Instead we started discussing vaping, which may well be just as revolutionary, and edgy, but where there is a split down the middle of the community as far as attitudes goes.

So just as peoples attitudes are mostly positive toward our EUCs, a lot of people find vaping to be a smart way of reducing smoking. But just as some will find EUCs nerdy, dangerous, disturbing and so on, some will find vaping nerdy, dangerous and disturbing.

A lot of us have heard the "get a bike!" at least once, just as most vapers have heard the "just quit already!" at least once.

I find it tragically funny that we're in the absolute forefront in one area, but have the blinkers/blinders on in others. I'm quite sure I am not innocent in this, as I'm sure I have my blinkers/blinders on in other areas.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, it just felt like some kind of revelation, food for thought, and I thought it was worth sharing.

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11 minutes ago, exoplanet said:

what kind of disturbing?

What I was trying to say is that some think it is the shit, while others think it is just shit. :D
But believe me, some bicyclists have found it VERY disturbing to have a EUC whining just behind them... almost to the point that they'll fall by looking to hard behind where they're going.

 

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