Ninebot One Z : Z6-Z8-Z10

[MaxLinux]

12 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

If you look at the explosion drawing/blueprint on the previous page, you see inside the fat tire is a regular-width motor. So the batteries can bulge in on both sides.

I'm still having trouble seeing this, even in the exploded view, but it's a plausible theory.

Edited August 13, 2017 by MaxLinux

[jojo33]

exactly both side

[meepmeepmayer]

Yep, the outermost grey thing seems to be the battery, and you can see it has a bulge towards the inside. It look asymmetric (bulge almost goes to the bottom, but not to the top. Like this:

 

In the end, it's only 500Wh per side max, not that much space needed. The 20700 should also be slightly more space-efficient. And two layers are only 4cm thick.

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offtopic: What are the usual specs on the 20700 cells? 0% voltage = ? 100% voltage = ? Nominal voltage = ? Capacity = ??? mAh?

[Dancer]

19 hours ago, Rehab1 said:

It looks like all of the models could easily go up those grades! The ACM 1600, V5F+, V8 and KS 16S had no problem going up a 20% grade yesterday. The ACM did struggle with the 30% grade.

20° = 36% , 25° = 46% 

edit: sorry just saw @Mono's post

Edited August 13, 2017 by Dancer

[Tom Fagerland]

FORTY-SIX percent? Is that even possible on anything wheeled? I mean, how the hell do you get grip?

[Mono]

51 minutes ago, Tom Fagerland said:

FORTY-SIX percent? Is that even possible on anything wheeled? I mean, how the hell do you get grip?

A lateral acceleration of more than 1 g = 1 kg m / s^2 in a sports car is easily possible (F1 cars can do more than 4 g). That means, at 1 g, the force vector has an angle of 45º to the surface retaining grip and control without (much) sliding. Grip-wise, this 45º is the same situation as going a 100% incline sideways.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Mono

[Tom Fagerland]

51 minutes ago, Mono said:

A lateral acceleration of more than 1 g = 1 kg m / s^2 in a sports car is easily possible (F1 cars can do more than 4 g). That means, at 1 g, the force vector has an angle of 45º to the surface retaining grip and control without (much) sliding. Grip-wise, this 45º is the same situation as going a 100% incline sideways.

Bah, you can't science your way out of this! We all know it's magic!

[Rehab1]

16 hours ago, Mono said:

In any case, it is for sure that this gets confused all the time, possibly also on home-made signs.

I believe I stated 20% and 30 % grades. Yes discussing grades and percentages can be confusing. I greatly appreciate your comparative table.

Regarding the 'Home- Made Sign you are referring to, that was the Michigan Techical Resource Park's proving grounds sign. http://www.mitrp.com/

 This is a highly reputable multi-million dollar facility that routinely tests both civilian and military vehicles. Both the 20% and 30% hill grades are extremely precise!

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by Rehab1

[Mono]

16 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

I believe I stated 20% and 30 % grades. Yes discussing grades and percentages can be confusing. I greatly appreciate your comparative table.

Regarding the 'Home- Made Sign you are referring to, that was the Michigan Techical Resource Park's proving grounds sign. This is a reputable multi-million dollar facility that routinely tests both civilian and military vehicles. Both the 20% and 30% hill grades are extremely precise!

I think the problem is my lack of knowledge of English and the ambiguity of the meaning of the word grade. I understood grade to be the degree unit (like I believe in "discussing grades and percentages can be confusing"), which makes % grade rather confusing. Now I guess that you are using grade to mean incline or slope without a unit specification. That makes perfectly sense then and I hope that now I got this figured out right.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Mono

[Rehab1]

11 minutes ago, Mono said:

Now I guess that you are using grade to mean incline or slope without a unit specification. That makes perfectly sense then and I hope that now I got this figured out right.

Yes that is correct.

Edit: Here is a chart I used in the past that depicts the difference.

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by Rehab1

[jojo33]

just read here http://www.sootoo.com/content/672465.shtml

tire width 4.1"

Edited August 13, 2017 by jojo33

[Paddylaz]

This sort of wheel would never be for me personally....but I can imagine anyone who is into the msupers/monsters should be pretty happy.

I dont know why but looks-wise it's reminding me of that tank from Aliens. Game over man, GAME OVER!

 

Edited August 13, 2017 by Paddylaz

[US69]

3 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

e end, it's only 500Wh per side max, not that much space needed. The 20700 should also be slightly more space-efficient. And two layers are only 4cm thick.

the photo of the green cells i looks, shows quite good how the cells are in the side compartment.

40cells each side on the z10...

All numbers of watthour's that have been seen match up perfectly to 80 cells of 18650 with 3500mah-z10 or 2900 mah-z8....

For the z6 i am still searching a matching number of cells or celltype...80 cells of a chinese generic 2000mah cell fit :-) but it should be never the 20700.

 

for your offtopic:

Like every cell the 20700 is nominal 3,6/3,7 Volt with 4,2volt max...just the "mah" amount is abit higher with 4000/4250mah and cappable of 15-20 Amp...

So it has slighlty more range than our used 18650...but that is eaten by more place/weight. the more capable amp rate is only an advantage for wheels that dont have more paralell setups, than such an high power cell is needed (best example I5)

[meepmeepmayer]

Oopsie, confused this and the Gotway 16' thing which has 20700s I believe. 16850 18650 it is then.

Then maybe (unlike in the video) the cells are transversal (like on the V8). Makes no sense but the rounded top of the battery is confusing.

Edited August 13, 2017 by meepmeepmayer
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[US69]

17 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Oopsie, confused this and the Gotway 16' thing which has 20700s I believe. 16850 18650 it is then.

Then maybe (unlike in the video) the cells are transversal (like on the V8). Makes no sense but the rounded top of the battery is confusing.

The new Gotway 16" also matches the 18650 numbers....1036wh is what comes out of 80 cells 18650....

Until now only the I5 uses the 20700 (havent check for the new m10).

the cell is still really expensive and afaik not available in big numbers nowadays

[meepmeepmayer]

Weren't there rumors of it being called "Tesla" and therefore having those 20700s? Apparently just rumors...thing is ugly anyways so who cares

[US69]

2 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Weren't there rumors of it being called "Tesla" and therefore having those 20700s? Apparently just rumors...thing is ugly anyways so who cares

Yip, really ugly! And i dont know whatmakes them go from 120cells to 80cells on a more powerfull motor...

That means more stress for the cells...

But perhaps they fool everyone in selling a 1600wh version 2-3 months later, like they did with the v3?

[Jason McNeil]

News from my Ninebot contact about a release date: "Hi Jason,ninebot one z will ba launched next year"

When the Ninebot E was announced, it took about six months to come onto the market in volume. By 'next year', will likely not mean January 1st, but in the first few months of 2018.  

Great to see this bold & serious commitment to the Electric Wheel by Ninebot. Since the Segway acquisition, it looked as if product development would be constrained by the conservative design principles of previous generation Segways.  

Edited August 13, 2017 by Jason McNeil

[houseofjob]

3 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

News from my Ninebot contact about a release date: "Hi Jason,ninebot one z will ba launched next year"

When the Ninebot E was announced, it took about six months to come onto the market in volume. By 'next year', will likely not mean January 1st, but in the first few months of 2018.  

Great to see this bold & serious commitment to the Electric Wheel by Ninebot. Since the Segway acquisition, it looked as if product development would be constrained by the conservative design principles of previous generation Segways.  

If there's an eWheels pre-order, I'm first on line!

[Jason McNeil]

1 hour ago, KingSong69 said:

All numbers of watthour's that have been seen match up perfectly to 80 cells of 18650 with 3500mah-z10 or 2900 mah-z8..

If this picture resembles the final design, it gives the impression that there are 32 cells x 2 deep = 64 cells per side. Maybe another 32 cells on the opposite side? = 96 cells x 3.6v x 2.9Ah = 1002.24Wh.

7 hours ago, jojo33 said:

 

[Rehab1]

1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said:

News from my Ninebot contact about a release date: "Hi Jason,ninebot one z will ba launched next year"

When the Ninebot E was announced, it took about six months to come onto the market in volume. By 'next year', will likely not mean January 1st, but in the first few months of 2018.  

Great to see this bold & serious commitment to the Electric Wheel by Ninebot. Since the Segway acquisition, it looked as if product development would be constrained by the conservative design principles of previous generation Segways.  

Hopefully that means you will be a distributor! 

1 hour ago, houseofjob said:

If there's an eWheels pre-order, I'm first on line!

Count me in as well!

@Jason McNeil your going to need a bigger boat from China with all of these new wheels coming out!

[jojo33]

On 13/08/2017 at 4:12 PM, Jason McNeil said:

News from my Ninebot contact about a release date: "Hi Jason,ninebot one z will ba launched next year"

 

Hum...well if not pass FCC AGREEMENT yet  but can comes sooner 

Hey tomorrow you will have a big day ! Your local segway seems have something to show you ? 

 

I think it's for release Segway Smart Miniplus and Loomo  (bot get fcc ok last month  )

 

Edited October 21, 2017 by jojo33

[meepmeepmayer]

Aren't FCC, CE etc. only self-certifications that only ensure the very basics: device does not electrocute people or radiate crazy radio waves and such stuff?

Does this usually take long?

[jojo33]

Fcc for radiate crazy radio yes MSDS for batterie....components

I think all is ready yet

Because all test on laboratories were made in a local mandatory official laboratory sometimes i saw date of document is more old un month than fcc request date and date of agreement

If tomorrow ninebot send documents to fcc Ninebot obtain super fast autorization take 10 days https://fccid.io/2ALS8-NB5213/Letter/Authorization-3474597

Here exemple for fcc agreement all documents Ninebot gives https://fccid.io/2ALS8-NB5213 

Its more for logistic and marketing if release z next year

Look, russian are selling Mini plus 2 weeks after it was release in China... I think they took Transsiberian train to Beijing its only 100 dollars one way , and they bring to russia without lithium-ion problème like by air....

Edited August 13, 2017 by jojo33

[Paddylaz]

Yo @Jason McNeil, i saw the kingsong 14s has made an appearance on your US site.

What are your initial impressions of it?

Edited August 13, 2017 by Paddylaz