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I am truly very sorry to hear of this and I hope you are doing OK. I think you have made a wise decision to stay off the wheel for now. As you mention it is a very unique form of transportation and you would stand out risking another attack if these bastards descided to retaliate for the Police involvement.

Were you wrong to confront them. No, you were not. I totally understand how you felt. When insults and abuse are issued for no reason it is always understandable to feel angry and want to understand why and in some way retaliate and let them know it will not be tollerated. Was it wise to confront them. No. In the modern era it wasn't the best move. If people are big enough arseholes to pull the original stunt that caused the incident they aren't going to sit down and politly inform you why they are indeed the bottom beating scum sucking alge eaters that they are. You just end up denting their ego for which they must rage against you to restore their falsely percived respect.

The world is a funny place right now. The scum of society feel empowered to do whatever they want however they want. There is little consideration of the consequences of their actions, to themselves or to you.

Is it Endmund Burke who said " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"? I'm sure this, in some way, drove your actions to confront them. But alas it seems the fight is becoming considerably stacked against average Joe making a meaningful contribution when the scum roam in packs and attack in their animalistic devolved manner..

This is a lesson to me. I've been routinely run off the road on my bike around my city with drivers gesticulating at me when I've done little wrong other than to slow their apparently urgent travel. I have on occastion screamed, shouted, gesticulated, and raged at them as the sped off due to the injustice. I've tried to catch them to give them a piece of my mind but usually they are long gone from the next light by the time I get there. Usually I curse my inability to let them know of my displeasure, but perhaps this has saved me from a fate like yours. I think I need to learn to just "experience it, and let it go" as my wife so often describes it. Maybe you should too, as hard as that may be.

My ultimate plan is to try to live somewhere sparsely populated. The morality of the human race is at a low point right now. It is best to keep out the way where you can.

If I may ask where did this happen?

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49 minutes ago, Pingouin said:

EUC riding is not fun anymore for me...

Your neighborhood is NOT safe to live in afterall! With or without EUC for sure! :furious:

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Given the fact a move to a new apartment/neighborhood is mentioned I think the OP is aware that location is a problem. If not before then certainly now.

@Pingouin. Once moved I would get back on the (repaired) wheel. From other posts you clearly enjoy using a EUC as a mode of transportation. Don't let the bastards wear you down.

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Sorry to hear this. I can't explain why this always seems to happen to you.

I disagree with @WARPed1701D post (although some thought went into it). Confronting them was the absolutely best thing to do, since you luckily got their license number they will possibly have to deal with serious charges - trying to run someone over, racist attack, etc. You weren't hurt and "only" got your wheel damaged and your day ruined, so you won this one. Make sure the police aren't trying to let this fizzle out, you (or better your lawyer) should call regularly what the progress of the investigation is etc.

For the same reason, I would not stop riding EUCs where you are (though I can understand if you do) if you don't actually want to. Don't give in now, this is the best time to control how things continue. In some way, the best thing that could happen to you if you were (verbally) threatened by them again as a response to your going to the police, to finally nail these fuckers to the wall. I'm not saying to provoke anything, but give them all the chances to make a mistake and dig themselves into a deeper hole. And report every problem stemming from this event to the police (the justice system needs something to act on).

Keep us updated how it's going...

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4 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Sorry to hear this. I can't explain why this always seems to happen to you.

I disagree with @WARPed1701D post (although some thought went into it). Confronting them was the absolutely best thing to do, since you luckily got their license number they will possibly have to deal with serious charges - trying to run someone over, racist attack, etc. You weren't hurt and "only" got your wheel damaged and your day ruined, so you won this one. Make sure the police aren't trying to let this fizzle out, you (or better your lawyer) should call regularly what the progress of the investigation is etc.

For the same reason, I would not stop riding EUCs where you are (though I can understand if you do) if you don't actually want to. Don't give in now, this is the best time to control how things continue. In some way, the best thing that could happen to you if you were (verbally) threatened by them again as a response to your going to the police, to finally nail these fuckers to the wall. I'm not saying to provoke anything, but give them all the chances to make a mistake and dig themselves into a deeper hole. And report every problem stemming from this event to the police (the justice system needs something to act on).

Keep us updated how it's going...

On this occasion there were only material and minor injuries but it is becoming increasingly common for people to pull knives (guns in the US) to repair their testosterone fueled dented ego. Maybe back in Europe people are more restrained. I've been gone from the UK for 10 years now and know that even before I left there was a good chance of the good guy getting a beating for standing their ground. Lots of people get shot here for minor altracations. I need to remember that as I go about my daily business.

I like to see arseholes get what is due to them, but it now seems like risk management is necessary. Honestly, this situation adds more weight to wearing an action cam to capture the plate/incident when stuff like this happens rather than continuing or escalating the problem.

Recently Jeremy Vine (UK TV/Radio Host) was harrased on his bike in London. His helmet cam footage secured a conviction for the vehicle driver.

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12 minutes ago, Tom Fagerland said:

The point is that the people actually commiting the crime is responsible, not the victim. Moving out of the area might help avoid further occurrences for him, but it won't actually fix anything for society

Where exactly in my post did i suggest he was 'responsible'. You seem to be drawing assumptions from complete vapour.

The op's job is not 'fixing society,'  Ghandi. His priority is enjoying life and raising his family. If his area is untenable for his lifestyle, he should move - not attempt some one man revolution to change his neighbourhood to some sort of utopia.

Would you tell refugees to go back and fix their society's problem? (actually, don't answer that).

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Just now, Paddylaz said:

Where exactly in my post did i suggest he was 'responsible'. You seem to be drawing assumptions from complete vapour.

The op's job is not 'fixing society,'  Ghandi. His priority is enjoying life and raising his family. If his area is untenable for his lifestyle, he should move - not attempt some one man revolution to change his neighbourhood to some sort of utopia.

Would you tell refugees to go back and fix their society's problem? (actually, don't answer that).

Why do you assume I was talking to you...?

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2 minutes ago, Paddylaz said:

Well you quoted me in your post.......

Yes, the post where you said I made no sense. So I made sense out of it.

I was really just offering a point of view - many people in the thread referred to the area as if the area was somehow to blame, and so I pointed out that the area is really just the background - the criminals are to blame. 

I may have chosen a poor analogy, I honestly didn't spend half a minute on it ;)

But I wasn't (pause while learning how to spell) criticizing anyone, just offering a point of view. You're absolutely right if you think moving would help TS - it probably would. Just as never leaving your house will. But it won't actually help anyone else.

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that's terrible @Pingouin, sorry to hear about that. i hope you get some sort of justice. although confronting those douchebags may have led to an altercation and damage at least now there's some chance they'll be made to pay and maybe think twice before behaving similarly in the future.

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2 hours ago, WARPed1701D said:

If I may ask where did this happen?

In Eastern France in a medium city. (

2 hours ago, LanghamP said:

Were they native French people?

No...I don't want to begin a debate but that's just a fact.

23 minutes ago, Catlord17 said:

I am so sorry to hear that happened to you.  I'm not sure I can offer any wise words, but I'm very glad you made it out alive. What did you have as a defensive tool?

I had an electric shocker, maybe not the best tool for multiple assaillants.

 

Unfortunately, the chances of these guys facing charges is poor, because I don't have enough proof & no witnesses (some people where there but they left without waiting for police...illegal but real), here in France I find it difficule to defend ourselves legaly against criminals.

The camera is a good idea ! I still think I'll wait until I've moved to a new place before riding again.

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2 hours ago, Catlord17 said:

If you wear a camera, make sure they don't know it's there and take it.

I think some cameras can now stream over your phone to a cloud server. I've no idea of the data consumption for this and quality might get downgraded too much to discern number plates. None the less it does mean that taking the camera would not help them destroy the evidence. It is why I like the NEST home security cam. All data is streamed out the house. No one can remove the evidence.

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