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Full Face Helmet Showdown - Bell Super 3R vs Giro Switchblade - Impressions and Opinion

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Visors and Camera Attachments

Both helmets have visors than can be adjusted up or down. The 3R is a smooth adjustment and it can be removed by turning the locking bolts with your fingers and unscrewing them. A GoPro mount is attached to the top of the helmet (not on the visor) but can be removed if desired and will break away in an impact so as not to compromise the helmet. The visor in the up position may block the camera. I’m not sure as I don’t have a GoPro. :cry2: The Giro actually comes with two visors and both appear to be longer (protrude further forward) than visor on the 3R. I guess this offers better shade from the sun and maybe some increased protection from foreign objects. The standard visor is factory fitted and adjusts to three different angles. Push past the resistance and it will seat in the next position along. A second visor is also supplied. This one is fixed in a single position (the middle position I think) and has a GoPro mount molded onto the underside of it. This is likely to provide the best POV image of the two helmets and this position ensures it will not get smacked by a low hanging branch but you lose the use of your visor in the low position for maximum  sun shade and the camera position may result in a challenge fitting helmet lights and the camera together. If you want to swap between camera use and adjustable visor you need to carry the extra visor around which is a pain. I understand that no tools are needed to swap the visors. I don’t understand why the GoPro attachment wasn’t just placed on the adjustable visor. They mention improved image stability from the fixed visor but I think the resistance between positions on the adjustable visor is more than enough to support a camera.

I’ve no real strong opinion here as to which I prefer. I’ve no mountable camera and a visor is just a visor for the most part. I think I’d prefer the camera be below the visor rather than on top of the helmet if only to provide some protection to the camera and a more accurate POV. I guess I also prefer the longer visor for more shade form the FL sun…so maybe the Switchblade…but, meh.

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Giro Switchblade Image:

The GoPro mount on the underside of the second visor. This visor is fixed in the middle of the three positions available on the non-camera visor.

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Wow what a great double review (excuse me -- NOT a review)!  You took plenty of time and effort, much appreciated. 

The detail gives me some tools with which to draw my own conclusions. For instance, how hot the helmets are makes a huge difference to me.  It's not only that it gets very hot here and that a hot helmet saps all the joy out of riding bikes and such for me, but that if something is too uncomfortable, experience has taught me that it's easy to leave the house without it.  Where there's a will (even subconsciously) there's a way ... and I could see leaving a far superior helmet on the shelf and thus having NO protection at all.  

So for me, a helmet even provably lesser could do me more good, and boosts the appeal of the Bell considerably.

Anyway, thanks for providing some tools I can use to better consider the options!

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45 minutes ago, flass said:

Btw, I use a MET Parachute. It's non-MIPS which is my biggest concern with it, but it's very light-weight and it looks SO cool and appearance is all that matters after all?

That is a cool looking helmet both in style and the ventilation it offers.

7 hours ago, WARPed1701D said:

Over the course of a week or so I have been gathering my thoughts on them. I wanted to share what I have learnt and felt over that time in the hope it helps others when making this expensive purchase

Excellent well thought out reviews!  Thanks for all of your efforts!

Ok...who's going to be the first to test the impact effectiveness of all these awesome helmets? ;)

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 I'm glad you like it. If you own one of the helmets then please chime in with your views, especially if they differ from mine. The more opinions added the more valuable this will become. And if your helmet is a different make/model....do a review about it (I suggest video of you can, adding all those pictures turned out to be a real PITA)!

I forgot to say I'll return to this in a month or two to follow up and see what I got right and what I got wrong.

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5 hours ago, Dingfelder said:

Wow what a great double review (excuse me -- NOT a review)!  You took plenty of time and effort, much appreciated. 

The detail gives me some tools with which to draw my own conclusions. For instance, how hot the helmets are makes a huge difference to me.  It's not only that it gets very hot here and that a hot helmet saps all the joy out of riding bikes and such for me, but that if something is too uncomfortable, experience has taught me that it's easy to leave the house without it.  Where there's a will (even subconsciously) there's a way ... and I could see leaving a far superior helmet on the shelf and thus having NO protection at all.  

So for me, a helmet even provably lesser could do me more good, and boosts the appeal of the Bell considerably.

Anyway, thanks for providing some tools I can use to better consider the options!

I agree. Comfort and ease of use is paramount for safety gear to promote usage. I'm hoping the heat will be a non issue when in actual use. Most of those heat comments come from bikers cranking it up hills and I fully get where they are coming from. Standing on an EUC should (I hope) be cooler. 

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3 hours ago, flass said:

Awesome work! TL DR but if I was out for buying a helmet I would surely appreciate this effort of yours! 

 

Btw, I use a MET Parachute. It's non-MIPS which is my biggest concern with it, but it's very light-weight and it looks SO cool and appearance is all that matters after all?

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Nice helmet and thanks for showing another option. Review it!

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This was an absolutely fantastic overview of the two helmets that I keep coming back to. Unfortunately there are elements that I like on each helmet. I will be particularly interested in the follow-up that you will be doing. We'll be able to call your follow-up a review I think ;) I feel like I'm going to get one of these helmets. Too bad there isn't a good place to put my Gotway logo :(

Thanks again for the effort that you put into this write-up. I very much appreciate it. :cheers:

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3 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

This was an absolutely fantastic overview of the two helmets that I keep coming back to. Unfortunately there are elements that I like on each helmet. I will be particularly interested in the follow-up that you will be doing. We'll be able to call your follow-up a review I think ;) I feel like I'm going to get one of these helmets. Too bad there isn't a good place to put my Gotway logo :(

Thanks again for the effort that you put into this write-up. I very much appreciate it. :cheers:

Glad you liked it. Your gear video was really helpful to me and so was a catalyst for me to make the effort here.

You are right that these helmets both have some great features and neither would be a bad choice. It was hard to choose between them in some areas, easy in others. They are radically different under the surface.

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I forgot to say, if there are questions not answered in the thread or a desire to see a picture of something specific then please ask. I'll likely have the Bell here until Friday. The Switchblade will be here permanently of course.

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2 hours ago, Chriull said:

If you ever do something like this again, you can also hide your topic after submitting it - add your additional post without anyone (but us moderaters) seeing it and then finally unhiding it once you finished.

Thats a good idea which I'll do in future. Thanks.

Anyone who saw the post being formed would have seen it actually took well over an hour and included a small rant when things went wrong. :) I didn't realize the 3MB limit for attachments applied across multiple posts. This was a main reason for splitting the full text into seperate posts as I had resized all images down to about 150kb each and thought that even the chin bar set of images (a lot of them) would be in limits for a single post. But, while uploading that set I hit the data limit after just two images suggesting the data cap included the images form the earlier sets. I had to go away to find some external hosting and then edit everything already uploaded to point to external URLs as well as post the remaining content. It was time consuming to have to click the link to add content from a URL, paste the URL and repeat it for every image in the review (and it went wrong several times). I became quite anxious of this half finished "non-review" kicking around for so long while I sorted out the issues. Hiding it would certainly have helped.

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2 hours ago, WARPed1701D said:

I forgot to say, if there are questions not answered in the thread or a desire to see a picture of something specific then please ask. I'll likely have the Bell here until Friday. The Switchblade will be here permanently of course.

Fantastic post @WARPed1701D!  I don't anticipate getting one of these helmets...yet, but a couple more face plants, particularly one where the injuries could have been prevented or lessened by a full face helmet, and I may be singing a different tune :whistling:

One request I had to the original posts in this thread is, can you change the color of your text to "white" or maybe "automatic"?  I view the site using the "IPS4 Dark" Theme and your posts are showing up in a dark font which makes it hard to read forcing me to highlight all of your text so it shows up...I'm assuming that this was the result of your posts being done in another application first, then pasting them in?  Anyway, just a small critique to an overall amazing post!  Thanks again :thumbup: 

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4 minutes ago, Maximus said:

Fantastic post @WARPed1701D!  I don't anticipate getting one of these helmets...yet, but a couple more face plants, particularly one where the injuries could have been prevented or lessened by a full face helmet, and I may be singing a different tune :whistling:

One request I had to the original posts in this thread is, can you change the color of your text to "white" or maybe "automatic"?  I view the site using the "IPS4 Dark" Theme and your posts are showing up in a dark font which makes it hard to read forcing me to highlight all of your text so it shows up...I'm assuming that this was the result of your posts being done in another application first, then pasting them in?  Anyway, just a small critique to an overall amazing post!  Thanks again :thumbup: 

Good feedback and you are right I drafted the text in Word and pasted into the forum as I didn't want to loose it though browser refreshes etc. I'll go back and edit the font color to auto. I'm guessing you are only seeing this in the main text, not the image comments that I added directly in the browser later on?

P.S. After the eventual face plant that has you considering a full face helmet I very much hope you are still capable of "singing" that different tune! ;)

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7 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said:

Good feedback and you are right I drafted the text in Word and pasted into the forum as I didn't want to loose it though browser refreshes etc. I'll go back and edit the font color to auto. I'm guessing you are only seeing this in the main text, not the image comments that I added directly in the browser later on?

Yes, correct, the image comments look good.

7 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said:

P.S. After the eventual face plant that has you considering a full face helmet I very much hope you are still capable of "singing" that different tune! ;)

Haha, me too :facepalm:

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