How bad were you hurt?

[Unventor]

12 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

 I’m an injury free virgin no more!    I still can’t raise my left arm that well.  I can now semi-relate to what @Rehab1 went through.  It was difficult trying to sleep last night since my right leg is sore and my left arm is achey.  It’s hard to find a side to lie on!

  I might have to rethink this fun hobby of mine as I don’t think I could work if my right arm was hurt.  This EUC riding is definitely not for those who rely on the full function of their limbs to work!  I don’t even have disability insurance so this is not good!  Oh well, we’ll see how things go.  Maybe I’ll just try to ride slower in the future.  It’s so hard though since I got this speed addiction!  

I think @Mark Lee is right. Since your are so young you bounch right back as a z10 on 80 psi ?

And I am pretty sure what will help you too.....

Hot nurses are now bound to do a full check up on you @Hunka Hunka Burning Love

Just don't make a habit of this. ?

Well joke aside, I can only say I learned my lesson on my gland landing on my lower back and buttom. 

So since my KS18L is so stable at higher speeds and to avoid being speed bling or addicted I have kept tiltback at 40kmh (that being Kingsong kmh, to actual might be closer to 35ish).

I rather ride at this lower speed than run the accident risk at higher higher speed with increased severity of accident too. So if the choice is between not riding at all or riding at comfortable cruising speed I chose the later. 

I hope you do too @Hunka Hunka Burning Love who else will make the limited @Marty Backe tees? I for one can't do it (as good as you or @Rehab1)

Edit: Look who I found for you @Hunka Hunka Burning Love 

https://www.ebay.com/p/Lego-Female-Doctor-Minifig-blue-Surgeon-Scrubs-Hospital-Shirt-Girl-Nurse-ID/855257113

Edited August 20, 2018 by Unventor

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

A half week later my arm is still sore, but it’s slowly returning to normal.  Leg is still tender too.  The Tesla left a five foot scrape line in the sidewalk.  I took a look inside and saw that the top right cover mount was broken off.  No surprise there since they are small tabs that the screw pillar comes out of.  I Gorilla epoxy glued it back on.

They could have placed some reinforcement fins around the sides or even just made the side cover like a small sliding box with a “mushroom” top overlay.  That way a crash wouldn’t strain the little mounting pillars as much.  You definitely see the lack of crash planning and design for strength here.  Maybe a Tesla V2 will be better.

This broken mount is supposed to be attached below.

Gorilla Epoxy fix.  I find this epoxy even better than JB Kwikweld for durability and strength.  I fixed a broken pair of Koss Portapro headphones with Gorilla epoxy, and it held up well.

 

 

Inside the Tesla was slightly dusty, but it was relatively clean after 1000 km.  Thinking more about my fall I’m pretty certain my 60 psi stiff tire, going 22 kph and hitting a curb bump created an forward/aft oscillation which dumped me.  I think it might be similar to Marty’s fall with his MSuper V3+ with the faulty firmware.  Gotway likely dampened the problem, but I think that a high speed bump can still cause the wheel to fail.

I would caution fellow Tesla riders to beware of “speed blindness” after getting used to higher speeds.  It’s quite easy to hit a bump too quickly kicking you off.

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[Rehab1]

 

8 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

A half week later my arm is still sore, but it’s slowly returning to normal.  Leg is still tender too.  

Your actually bouncing back  to full recovery pretty fast. Good clean living I suppose.

 

8 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

I would caution fellow Tesla riders to beware of “speed blindness” after getting used to higher speeds.  It’s quite easy to hit a bump too quickly kicking you off.

I second that caution and would further reflect your advice to include riders of most any wheel. 

[phatmike]

4 months from my accident I still feel a strange pain on my shoulder when a put my foot on my wheel for the first time in the day. It Is mental of course. It is like my brain is telling me: please don't go!

About protection I have a warning: there is no protection available to avoid what happened to me (Shoulder dislocated with Hill Sachs fracture). So use your brain and be always focused on the road and never feel invincible or indestructible (When you become very good on rolling and used to high speed is very easy to feel this way)

 

[Toshio Uemura]

15 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

 

Your actually bouncing back  to full recovery pretty fast. Good clean living I suppose.

 

I second that caution and would further reflect your advice to include riders of most any wheel. 

I third these cautions and would further add to be extra cautious of this “speed blindness” when occasionally riding slower and lower powered wheels again. It is easy to overburden them,  once you got used to the more powerful wheels and learned to trust them with the painful result that you force them to shut down on you. By the way, a similar effect you can experience with the Z once you got used to its stability and completely different physics. Switching back to previous wheels may cause accidents especially with less experienced riders. 

[Toshio Uemura]

13 minutes ago, phatmike said:

4 months from my accident I still feel a strange pain on my shoulder when a put my foot on my wheel for the first time in the day. It Is mental of course. It is like my brain is telling me: please don't go!

About protection I have a warning: there is no protection available to avoid what happened to me (Shoulder dislocated with Hill Sachs fracture). So use your brain and be always focused on the road and never feel invincible or indestructible (When you become very good on rolling and used to high speed is very easy to feel this way)

 

I can’t overemphasize this enough: Guys! Learn and practice sorrowly how to fall! It does make a big difference!

Watch this 95 year old man and listen what he has to say ... and then follow his example and learn the right techniques that matches our hobby and start practicing! DO IT TODAY!

 

[US69]

22 minutes ago, Toshio Uemura said:

I can’t overemphasize this enough: Guys! Learn and practice sorrowly how to fall! It does make a big difference!

In my opinion you can learn that as Long as you want…..while on an totally unexspected cutout (mosfet or fuse failure or short) out of the blue, you are going down/smashing into the Ground like an "windshield wiper" of a car. I personally had an cutout at the low Speed of About 15kmh...and because i knew something was wrong/strange with the Wheel before, it even wasn't totally unexspected, even more like observing and waiting for the cutout to happen. Nonetheless i experienced this wiper like smashing into the Ground and broke a rip or two.

Just saying...sure learning to fall can help on all Driver or 3rd party related crashes, where you have some seconds realizing that you will go to crash, so it is no fault to learn falling!

But for unexspected cutouts/Wheel failures in my opinion only one Thing helps: Good safety gear.

Knee pads, wrist guards and helmet are a must have on all rides.

My 2 Cents 

 

Edited August 23, 2018 by US69

[phatmike]

43 minutes ago, Toshio Uemura said:

I can’t overemphasize this enough: Guys! Learn and practice sorrowly how to fall! It does make a big difference!

Watch this 95 year old man and listen what he has to say ... and then follow his example and learn the right techniques that matches our hobby and start practicing! DO IT TODAY!

 

I fell from skateboard (hundreds of time), bicycle, motorcycle. I alway had time to think about how to fall. On wheel, when you fall, it is just to fast and you are to close to the ground to even think about a reaction (or maybe at 53 years old I'm not fast enough like before)

 

 

Edited August 23, 2018 by phatmike

[Toshio Uemura]

1 hour ago, phatmike said:

I alway had time to think about how to fall.

In this case it’s doing not thinking ? and that needs practice. Here a different part of your brain ? or better nerve system is needed and it will NOT kick in WITHOUT practice! That’s what you have experienced. I understand that. Now, I also had my share of falls on boards and co. and unicycles (including a sudden cut-off with face plant!) so nobody needs to tell me how this feels. I got some scratches here and there, but was never seriously injured due to a fall I took. And that’s why I advocate to learn how to fall. Is it time consuming? Yes! Very! Does it have a fear factor! Yes! And it needs to be overcome. Is it worth the time and effort? YES! 100%! Why? because it trains your body not to let the wrong instincts take over but the newly learned reflexes without the involvement of your brains! In short: DO before you even THINK. It takes off the edge of a sudden fall, I promise! And for all those who are still in denial: if it doesn’t help it does not harm either!

Edited August 23, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[kasenutty]

That old guy's secret is he only falls on air mattresses and trampolines

[stephen]

4 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

That old guy's secret is he only falls on air mattresses and trampolines

pmsl??

[Toshio Uemura]

7 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

That old guy's secret is he only falls on air mattresses and trampolines

Why don’t you send him one of your old EUCs after getting your Z10. He might develope some techniques for us here on the forum! ? 

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

I think part of the problem is that our feet are pretty much side by side, and we’re already at a slight lean.  My leg muscles probably were a little sluggish after riding 18 km.  There also is slight delay in recognizng that there is an irrecoverable problem and reacting to it.  By the time you realize you are going to fall the wheel is already lagging behind you, and you’re at a more extreme lean.  All I had time for was to extend my arms out and try to use my wrist guards and palm skid pads to land on.  My elbow followed next thankfully on the left side (I’m a righty).

Within that short time span, I think unless you have some Ninja  reflexes there’s not a lot of falling options.  My arm luckily is returning to normal, but I’m not sure I’ll be riding any more.  If it was my right arm and a worse injury I’d be out of work for way too long.

[ir_fuel]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:33 AM, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

It was such a strange sensation that it’s really difficult to describe how the wheel stopped working.  It wasn’t a side to side wobble I’m pretty certain as usually I can recover from those.  This seemed more a forward and back fast tipping that eventually dropped me off.  I think.  It was very weird.

I can easily provoke this with my Rockwheel GT16. Take some hard bumps (such as hopping on a sidewalk) at the right speed and jump enough yourself so the wheel becomes very light at contact point, and it will start wildly oscillating back and forth (really BIG vibrations), which will calm down after a couple of seconds.

[ir_fuel]

7 hours ago, US69 said:

In my opinion you can learn that as Long as you want…..while on an totally unexspected cutout (mosfet or fuse failure or short) out of the blue, you are going down/smashing into the Ground like an "windshield wiper" of a car. I personally had an cutout at the low Speed of About 15kmh...and because i knew something was wrong/strange with the Wheel before, it even wasn't totally unexspected, even more like observing and waiting for the cutout to happen. Nonetheless i experienced this wiper like smashing into the Ground and broke a rip or two.

I agree.

EUC crashes can be way more violent and unexpected than on any other vehicle. I don't think you can train for those (the case where it really is a sudden crash, such as when the wheel cuts out or you get thrown of because of a huge bump / pothole).

The state of the roads is incredible over here. And the main issue is that the biggest holes / bad repairs / cracks are always on the side of the street, so you find yourself riding 1 meter of the side, annoying cars that don't understand why you're not riding on the side of the road.

And let's not get started about repairs. I just went over a road on which they did some repairs over the full width of the road (the ones where they open the road to work on some cabling and then close it again). OMG, they just converted them into speed bumps. Go over those things at 18mph and you will be airborne for sure. 1 second of not paying attention and pain will follow.

[Glitched]

2 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

I think part of the problem is that our feet are pretty much side by side, and we’re already at a slight lean.  My leg muscles probably were a little sluggish after riding 18 km.  There also is slight delay in recognizng that there is an irrecoverable problem and reacting to it.  By the time you realize you are going to fall the wheel is already lagging behind you, and you’re at a more extreme lean.  All I had time for was to extend my arms out and try to use my wrist guards and palm skid pads to land on.  My elbow followed next thankfully on the left side (I’m a righty).

Within that short time span, I think unless you have some Ninja  reflexes there’s not a lot of falling options.  My arm luckily is returning to normal, but I’m not sure I’ll be riding any more.  If it was my right arm and a worse injury I’d be out of work for way too long.

I didn't realize you've stopped riding EUC's, how long ago was this?

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

Just since my accident about six days ago.   I've still got the itch to ride, but now the brain is telling me better not.  I think I might just take a break for a while from riding until my arm and leg heal up.  It didn't seem that much of a fall at the moment, but I think the forward momentum caused a lot more impact on my arm than I realized.  Even with additional elbow pads, I don't think one can avoid the pressure transmitted to the shoulder when falling onto the hands/arms.

I can't imagine falling while off-roading up in some mountains somewhere and needing to walk the wheel back for miles.  I had this big welt on my leg that settled down, but the bruise is still tender.  It was hard putting on T-Shirts and even getting up off the floor.  Fun's fun until you get injured!  

Edited August 23, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[novazeus]

2 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

 My arm luckily is returning to normal, but I’m not sure I’ll be riding any more.  If it was my right arm and a worse injury I’d be out of work for way too long.

definitely feel ya with my gig.

nothing wrong with being cautious. i think it automatically comes with age. i look back at my life, especially 19-24 when i was puttng in vault doors, safes, safety deposits boxes etc for diebold. too young and stupid to actually realize the shit i was doing was so dangerous.

like i’ve said before, riding these things on public roads, sidewalks, multiuse paths, around pedestrians, dogs etc etc is a whole other skill level i do not possess. everything seems easy until some little thing goes wrong. even with protection, going too fast i could imagine u could break ur neck or hit a tree or in marty’s case, tumble down a mountain.

speed on these devices, is not ur friend. fast enough to keep up with Bob in a trot, that’s all i want, and Bob not jerk me off the wheel.

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

I think a big problem is once you are given an upper speed range, you want to use it and tap into that rush.  I was happy with my Ninebot, and its 22 kph maximum for the longest time.  When you're going at 45 kph on the Tesla, it's so stable and fun that you start thinking hey, this is pretty safe.  That leads to taking certain obstacles that you've taken a million times before at slightly faster speeds, and soon enough something rattles the gyro or wheel itself enough to create an instability.  I think even with a full body protective suit on, if you land on your hands/arms those forces end up travelling somewhere.  I can still barely lift my arm up since there's a twinge of pain at a certain point.  It's getting better though.  

Edited August 25, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[Mono]

Talking about face planting skills, right the first one looks like how it should be done

 

 

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

  That was exactly me on the Telsa.  I can't imagine how one could tuck and roll or do some sort of shoulder roll within that small time span.  Basically you just go "flying squirrel belly flop" moreso than "tumbling Dragon."

[Dingfelder]

You too taking a break/maybe quitting, Hunka?

I'm definitely reading some scary things on the forum lately.  The enthusiasm to ride EUC's is great, but it can sure make a 180 quickly.

[Stan Onymous]

On 8/23/2018 at 2:22 PM, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

I think even with a full body protective suit on, if you land on your hands/arms those forces end up travelling somewhere.  I can still barely lift my arm up since there's a twinge of pain at a certain point.  It's getting better though.  

Use that new stretchy tape the atheletes use to hold a sandwich baggie of ice on the shoulder or elbow where it hurts. A couple of treatments like this and you will feel much better. And if you are a daily banana eater, give it a two day hiatus to clear the K, potassium from your body from the muscle impact. When muscles get squeezed with enough pressure, they can release K . Its called Crush syndrome. We get a very mild form of this when we run a marathon or get smashed up falling from our wheels. But higher potassium levels are symptomatic from the fall.

Phosphates are good for muscle energy, so maybe down a coke while you wait for the ice to melt on your joints. 

[Hunka Hunka Burning Love]

Unfortunately I’m still not 100% yet.    At least it’s less painful putting on T-shirts,  but there are still twinges of sharp pain at times when lifting my arm up past a certain point.  My leg bruise is still tender.  I haven’t had any moderate injuries like this for quite some time so it’s quite a wake up call.  I still don’t 100% know why the Tesla dumped me.  Maybe it was a fast wobble oscillation induced by hitting the sidewalk slope bump too hard at an angle that got me all shook up, ah ha ha.   Or maybe it was because I wasn’t wearing my “Gotway Mar-T” on that particular ride.  

I still love EUCs, and I hope not to make this into a downer for my fellow riders out there.  It’s just in my particular circumstances I really shouldn’t be risking my health as any serious loss of function could be quite bad.  My injuries are a cakewalk compared to Rehab1’s so I’m sure things will be fine again later.  I’m not selling anything just yet!    I just think I’ll try to be extra careful in the future.  Gotta get arm recovered as falling on it again could be trouble.

@Stan Onymous  Thanks for those helpful tips!  Much appreciated.   In addition I think I need to listen to some inspiring tunes...

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love

[Dingfelder]

3 hours ago, Stan Onymous said:

And if you are a daily banana eater

Exactly what, Sir, are you implying?