WARPed1701D Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Paddylaz said: Lol you're really thinking this through thoroughly aren't you? ? I am terrible for analyzing and researching big purchases. I like to have no regrets. I think in the last week I've read most of this forum in my search for answers! It does lead to analysis paralysis though which is why I like the opinion of those who have been there and done it. The responses received so far have been invaluable. I think I'm at the point now to pull the trigger on a V8. I really like the V5F+ and the decision is really close but I think the extra power from the motor and the 16" diameter are going to make me feel more comfortable with the wheel even though I intend to speed limit it to 15mph. I've watched Marty's mSuper crash and while I know it was a fault that caused it i think I've no desire to go faster than 15mph even on a trustworthy wheel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 hours ago, RichieV said: Due to a smaller contact patch, you should have slightly diminished stability and slightly increased mileage and maneuverability. I'm not sure but I think deflating the tire a little should even things out a bit and yet still keep the same profile within the shell preventing the rubbing issue. Deflating the tire won't completely solve it because the weight of the tire is still a bit smaller and tire weight lends to gyroscopic stability. Maybe in time a reliable 2.15 tire that works will be found and I can fit it. With the 1.95 I will just be glad to have a wheel that doesn't have an issue out the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddylaz Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: Maybe in time a reliable 2.15 tire that works will be found and I can fit it. With the 1.95 I will just be glad to have a wheel that doesn't have an issue out the box. Did jason mention when the new stock with the 1.95 tire will be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, Paddylaz said: Did jason mention when the new stock with the 1.95 tire will be available? I messaged him through the ewheels chat the other day. Expecting to ship out on the 30th June or just after if customs drag their heels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Don't overthink it. You can count on one hand people who regretted buying InMotion, and most of those are due to the common desire for unlimited range and unlimited speed. IMHO, if InMotion made wheels that went 40km/h with 1kwH+ batteries, much less people would buy from the other brands. Unfortunately, doesn't look like we'll ever see this now, what with Inventist possibly taking their patent trolling to the next level. Edited June 25, 2017 by houseofjob 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddylaz Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, houseofjob said: what with Inventist possibly taking their patent trolling to the next level. And their Scrooge McDuck pricing....... Edited June 25, 2017 by Paddylaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Hopefully the merger or joint effort will be more of just a rebrand and exchange of intellectual properties rather than a cash grab. Chen tried to fight the Goliath sized copycat problem battle in China and lost the war. Perhaps he has learned his lesson that throwing money at a hopeless cause isn't worthwhile nor profitable. Like they say, if you can't win, join them. Not all brilliant inventors make for the best business leaders. InMotion likely will gain from Chen's engineering experience, semi-well established brand and smart ideas while Inventist will benefit from access to mass production facilities, successful business practices and new sales. To simplify things by saying prices are just going to skyrocket might be premature as InMotion won't want sales hurt in the US. Unnecessarily alarming the public might help drive sales of current stock, but it may be unfounded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: To simplify things by saying prices are just going to skyrocket might be premature as InMotion won't want sales hurt in the US. Unnecessarily alarming the public might help drive sales of current stock, but it may be unfounded. Seen this below? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Yeah I read that. It's not entirely clear whether that was based on speculation or whether Jason actually recieved a notice of pricing increases across the board from InMotion for future products. @Jason McNeil can you definitively confirm that the new Solowheel V5F+ and V8 models are going to be a lot more expensive simply due to the merger/joint venture? Edited June 25, 2017 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) @Hunka Hunka Burning Love love the positivity, but I'm bracing for the worst, worse than the invalidation of Ninebot. Hope I'm wrong. Edited June 25, 2017 by houseofjob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddylaz Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, houseofjob said: @Hunka Hunka Burning Love love the positivity, but I'm bracing for the worst, worse than the invalidation of Ninebot. Hope I'm wrong. is ninebot dead now? Their euc division, anyway. Edited June 25, 2017 by Paddylaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Well maybe Jason can clear things up. Lord knows I've certainly been way off base before . I might be smokin' the ganja. I suppose they could try bumping prices up 50% by slapping a different brand on the wheel? I just wonder though whether InMotion corporate would okay that ballsy a move as sales are going pretty well for the products. Are the Chinese that easily swayed? Merging doesn't necessarily give Inventist total pricing control over another company's product line, does it? For me, I try to pull back a bit and see the bigger picture while factoring everyone's interests. Increasing prices may mean fewer sales in an already competitive market. Chinese companies that keep a keen eye over profits likely don't make drastic changes like that easily I'm betting? I could be wrong, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Paddylaz said: is ninebot dead now? Their euc division, anyway. Dunno. Technically yes, all got rebranded Segway. Realistically yes; no new wheel for going on 3-ish years now (S1/S2/A1 is basically a repackaged Ninebot One 16" in a 14" body), and it takes no R&D money to keep pressing up the same ancient wheels (*ahem*, Inventist SoloWheel / Xtreme) while focusing & developing on the more lucrative 2-wheeled market (Mini Pro, possibly an e-scooter like InMotion has recently focused on). If they're not gonna keep up with today's EUC motors, hopefully they'll take the direction of iPS and at least figure out how to get their old tech to weigh closer to 10lbs. 3 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Well maybe Jason can clear things up. Lord knows I've certainly been way off base before . I might be smokin' the ganja. I suppose they could try bumping prices up 50% by slapping a different brand on the wheel? I just wonder though whether InMotion corporate would okay that ballsy a move as sales are going pretty well for the products. Are the Chinese that easily swayed? Merging doesn't necessarily give Inventist total pricing control over another company's product line, does it? For me, I try to pull back a bit and see the bigger picture while factoring everyone's interests. Increasing prices may mean fewer sales in an already competitive market. Chinese companies that keep a keen eye over profits likely don't make drastic changes like that easily I'm betting? I could be wrong, of course. From the outside looking in on this issue, all EUC mom & pop co's (minus the big dog of Ninebot) eye the potential of US market $$$'s (see: 'hoverboard craze') like a lion eyes red meat, but Inventist lays claim to the original EUC patent here in the world's capital of lawsuits and patent trolling. Just speculating here, but I think InMotion might not have had a choice at this 'merger' if they wanted to stay in the US market, and, also, not dole out $$$$ in legal fees. Remember, they're not gonna apparently be affected ex-US; it's InMotion-branded wheels and business-as-usual abroad. I imagine after learning much of the ropes of patent trolling (I believe they were able to kick out many a small hoverboard co booth at one of the Vegas CES's), Inventist can effectively throw money around and sue most mom & pop EUC co's off US soil.... and heavy hitter EUC companies like KingSong and Gotway don't even have home bases here in the US (just 3rd-party distributors who shoulder all of the liability) while Inventist, I think(?), is solely based in the US. Food for thought: the SoloWheel Xtreme is still retailing for $2,295 on their site, and the V8 is basically 2X the power, ~2.5X the battery/range, at 6lbs lighter weight. By that rationale, the "new" SoloWheel V8 should theoretically be 2X the price, but I wouldn't be surprised if they set the same $2K+ price or slightly higher, in order to not cannibalize their own proprietary models. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Paddylaz said: is ninebot dead now? Their euc division, anyway. Good question, my E+ is as good as new performance wise, but it seems nothing new in the pipeline. Maybe they are going in a different direction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted June 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2017 Honestly, what does Solowheel have to offer to Inmotion in real terms? The IM wheels are probably better already. This is my (pessimistic) guess what happened: Chen: "But I invented that!!!!! I also call my other thing the confusing name Hovertrax instead of adding 'the original hoverboard' and then everyone would know instantly what that thing is. But my shitty name was first and I invented that!!!!!" Chen (to Inmotion, being a Korean and the most professional run EUC company and probably the only one with a chance of a response other than "We no Englsh leave alone"): "You don't want to get sued? Put Solowheel brand on your wheels because I invented that, and pay me patent royalties!" Inmotion: "Ok fine, now go away old man and leave us the f alone." Aaaand.. that's it. No real joint venture. No real working together on technology. I don't think this is a technology or business-based development at all. Because that makes no sense. After all, what does Solowheel really have to offer? A better brand name? No. Better technology? Thought so at first, but now I seriously doubt it. A better run company expanding their business? Hahahahahahaah.. no, absolutely no. They have nothing to offer, except not patent trolling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 I wonder if parts are going to leap in price too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demargon Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Probably that is the beginning of a new holding company like Fiat. Ferrari was buy and later sell by Fiat but that don't affect the price of the Fiat 500. Maybe Solowheel comes in the luxury brand of inmotion, one with those >40km/h and >40km of range for all who want something more. And IM remains branding the v5 and v8 like now with some improvement in order to maintain competitive and reasonable prices 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddylaz Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 8 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: I wonder if parts are going to leap in price too. so what have you finally decided on then? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WARPed1701D Posted June 26, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Paddylaz said: so what have you finally decided on then? ? I can officially announce to all who have contributed to this discussion (a huge thank you for that) that unless the eWheels sale ends before I sort out finances over the next day or two (meaning convince the wife this is a good purchase despite our dire finances right now) then I'll be pulling the trigger on a V8. I think both the V5F+ and the V8 are well specified wheels for their money, have great reputations, and I would be very happy with either but with just $53 difference in price between the two for my final order (including a cover for either and a trolley handle for the V5 if I were to choose that), a 16" wheel, and the 800+W motor the V8 has won me over. I also feel that once Solowheel gets its name on the InMotion products and push up the price the V8 will either be unaffordable or a lot less attractive compared to the competition so this may be my only chance to snag one. My concerns of the V8's larger size and weight have been allayed by discussion and photos in this thread; especially considering I would bulk up the V5 by adding the trolley handle. The potential tire scraping problem on the V8 will be resolved by the new 1.95 tire fitted to this batch. I'd have rather have had the original 2.15 tire but don't want any out the box issues. My only gripe with the V8 now is the lack of a decent rear light. The V5 nailed it in this respect and I think it was a big omission by InMotion to drop it from the V8 design (probably so it didn't clash with the disco lights, which I don't much care for). I'm going to assess that problem when it arrives to see if I can work the disco lighting to compensate for that or even purchase the rear light part Jason sells and see if I can mod it to increase the luminescence of the stock "logo" light. Otherwise I'll retrofit something to supplement my awesome helmet lights (Light and Motion Vis 360). I'll let you know when the order is in and I officially join the EUC owners club. Now my research needs to shift to the best protection I can find for riding. I'll be scouring the historical posts but expect another discussion post in the General forum if I still have questions...which I will! EXCITED! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingfelder Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 From the vids and threads I've seen, a lot of people ride the Inmotions with the covers,which go for .... maybe $35 USD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: Now my research needs to shift to the best protection I can find for riding. Nice, congrats! For protection, I've been totally satisfied with finding cheap helmets and body gear on AliExpress.com (sort through for most ordered. Also, buying off this site becomes way easier after becoming verified, which requires ID & CC#). Also, hard to beat regular gear like Rollerblade wristguards (Lux/XT) and their other gear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dingfelder said: From the vids and threads I've seen, a lot of people ride the Inmotions with the covers,which go for .... maybe $35 USD? Yes. I'll absolutely be getting the official cover for while I learn and if I intend to take the wheel somewhere I stand a good chance of dropping it (trails etc). For general commuting I think I'll leave the cover at home and follow the lead of others like Rehab1 that have applied inconspicuous bump strips to key areas. One, because the V8 (and the V5) are nice looking sleek wheels. I want to be able to enjoy that. Two, because I'll be trying to use the disco lights as running lights (white on the outer band at the front half, red on the rear half and orange around the inner band as a side marker) for night time use. Doing this means I can't use the cover all the time. The protection I'll be researching will be for me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 3 hours ago, houseofjob said: Also, hard to beat regular gear like Rollerblade wristguards (Lux/XT) and their other gear. Thanks for those brand suggestions. I'll take a look at them. I think I'll be looking for a full face helmet too with the chin protection. I have my Giro Synth road bike helmet but there is no chin/face protection and I'd really rather not smash this "one time impact" $250 helmet on the ground while I'm learning the ropes. Apart from great protection from all the gear I'll be looking for maximum ventilation (FL remember) and reduced bulk (I appreciate protection and bulk go hand in hand). I'll be sure to start a fresh thread if needed so valuable info doesn't get lost in unrelated discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) There are no extra risks during learning regarding hitting your head. In fact, as you'll be slower it will be less likely that you have any real crashes. The only endangered things are your shins/lower legs (definitely) and possibly your wrists if you fall really unlucky (and your pretty wheel, pad it up well!). Usually, you won't even fall and just step from the wheel involuntarily while it hits your shins first (they always do this, must be mandated by fate or so) and then spins on the ground for a moment before it switches off (scratch time). Hitting your head can happen from sudden cut-outs (so you're safe on Inmotion) or serious accidents at higher speeds (so you're safe on Inmotion... kidding) or when something else hits you and your head hits that, none of which are learning related. You'll never be safer from needing a helmet than during the initial learning. So using your existing bike helmet or even none at all should be unproblematic. Edited June 26, 2017 by meepmeepmayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKBLS Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) WARPed1701D, At the cost of extending this conversation further, I just wanted to mention: if you think you might become a hardcore rider, you may want to look at the next level up 40-60 miles range. I've mentioned that in other threads that I've wish I've bought something in that range. I quote Marty Backe " I've contemplated buying a V8 for around-town riding. The price is about right, but I couldn't see spending much more since that brings the prices closer the KS16/ACM prices." It seems buying an EUC is not something we can return and exchange easily. Edited June 26, 2017 by CaptainKBLS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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