IPS ZERO

[csmyers]

4 minutes ago, Paul Panait said:

So what do I do? Get another euc with bigger battery? 

I'd like to not brake my neck  

2 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

Actually, if you can DIY and still want to retain your unit, then you can order the 340wh battery pack from iamips.

Just what I was about to say. If you wanted, you could buy/build a bigger battery pack. Tony quoted me $220 plus $70 shipping for a 340Wh battery pack for the Zero.

Edited November 15, 2015 by csmyers

[Jason McNeil]

1 minute ago, SlowMo said:

Actually, if you can DIY and still want to retain your unit, then you can order the 340wh battery pack from iamips.

Yes, this will be an improvement, but still anemic under acceleration. There's a German after-market battery specialist who can supplier the Wheel with a decent pack, it not going to be cheap... 

[SlowMo]

1 minute ago, csmyers said:

 

Just what I was about to say. If you wanted, you could buy/build a bigger battery pack. Tony quoted me $220 plus $70 shipping for a 340Wh battery pack for the Zero.

Also try to contact iamips, they are prompt in deliveries and accepts paypal.

1 minute ago, Jason McNeil said:

Yes, this will be an improvement, but still anemic under acceleration. There's a German after-market battery specialist who can supplier the Wheel with a decent pack, it not going to be cheap... 

@Jason McNeil if we stay around max 25 km/h and accelerate gradually and take gentle care of our Zero's, would our battery packs be sufficient? 

[Pagsy]

8 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

Actually, if you can DIY and still want to retain your unit, then you can order the 340wh battery pack from iamips.

BTW, I never saw the Zero 340wh version on the iamips.com

but i see it on ipselectricunicycle.com

it is good to know that they sell the battery though.

 

@Paul, I took the 340wh to avoid those issues.

[SlowMo]

1 minute ago, Pagsy said:

BTW, I never saw the Zero 340wh version on the iamips.com

but i see it on ipselectricunicycle.com

it is good to know that they sell the battery though.

 

@Paul, I took the 340wh to avoid those issues.

I just bought my 340wh Zero from iamips. 

[Jason McNeil]

2 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

if we stay around max 25 km/h and accelerate gradually and take gentle care of our Zero's, would our battery packs be sufficient? 

Without some way to gauge where you are in the power cut-out scale, it doesn't make for enjoyable riding. For my customers I thought it better to tackle the source of the of problem head-on.  

[csmyers]

3 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

Also try to contact iamips, they are prompt in deliveries and accepts paypal.

If we stay around max 25 km/h and accelerate gradually and take gentle care of our Zero's, would our battery packs be sufficient?

I tried to contact iamips yesterday on an unrelated question, no reply yet.

I'm just going to take it easy on my Zero now, I'm happy with it and I know it's going to last me at least a couple years with its current specs!  

[SlowMo]

1 minute ago, Jason McNeil said:

Without some way to gauge where you are in the power cut-out scale, it doesn't make for enjoyable riding. For my customers I thought it better to tackle the source of the of problem head-on.  

You can gauge my profile pic. 

[Pagsy]

6 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

I just bought my 340wh Zero from iamips. 

is it rude to ask you how much you paid?

I never saw it on their website !

[SlowMo]

1 minute ago, Pagsy said:

is it rude to ask you how much you paid?

I never saw it on their website !

I managed to get it for USD 690.00 delivered in 8 days. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by SlowMo

[Cloud]

Never seen before 18 consecutive posts under the same topic in only 35 minutes. Cool:)

[Paul Panait]

Tony was saying that you can't just chznfe the battery to a 340wh pack since the processor and the motherboard are configured diferently for each model. 

So not true I guess?

[SlowMo]

4 minutes ago, Paul Panait said:

Tony was saying that you can't just chznfe the battery to a 340wh pack since the processor and the motherboard are configured diferently for each model. 

So not true I guess?

60 volts = 60volts. The bigger the battery the longer you can ride.

Maybe Tony was referring about battery placement in the compartment. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by SlowMo

[Pagsy]

7 minutes ago, Cloud said:

Never seen before 18 consecutive posts under the same topic in only 35 minutes. Cool:)

hot wheel = hot topic !! :)

[Paul Panait]

22 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

Yes, this will be an improvement, but still anemic under acceleration. There's a German after-market battery specialist who can supplier the Wheel with a decent pack, it not going to be cheap... 

Could I get the contact please? 

[Pagsy]

14 minutes ago, SlowMo said:

I managed to get it for USD 690.00 delivered in 8 days. 

Can I get the name and email of your contact please ?

[SlowMo]

 

5 minutes ago, Pagsy said:

Can I get the name and email of your contact please ?

孟闰瑞 <runrui.meng@iamips.com>

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by SlowMo

[Paul Panait]

I'll need to check better in the airport because us passing through the security scanner is by having the person at the screen counting how many cells you have. After thiis week I'll go again to Oslo this time. They are the real duckers

Edited November 15, 2015 by Paul Panait
Love my auto correct. Meant with f that last word

[SlowMo]

7 minutes ago, Paul Panait said:

I'll need to check better in the airport because us passing through the security scanner is by having the person at the screen counting how many cells you have. After thiis week I'll go again to Oslo this time. They are the real duckers

You can again check this post for the battery count showing 32 cells.

http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/748-ips-zero/?do=findComment&comment=16163

Edited November 15, 2015 by SlowMo

[Jason McNeil]

1 hour ago, Paul Panait said:

Tony was saying that you can't just chznfe the battery to a 340wh pack since the processor and the motherboard are configured diferently for each model. 

So not true I guess?

He doesn't know what he's talking about...

@esaj's contact 1radwerkstatt@gmx.de these guys DO know what they're talking about.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Jason McNeil

[Tomek]

any first hand experiences comparing Zero to KS14c?

[Bob]

Hmmm...

As You know I have IPS ZERO 340 WH. 

With all respect to all of You.  I don't know what kind of battery I have inside as I had never opened my Zero. I ordered 340Wh and as I can see on my app, it is 340Wh. That is what I know. Today I tried to do max milage and... Sorry, strong wind against me on half way....  I did only 22 km. The battery was still around 25-30% without any problems on the way. When I back to my car and then I back to home battery rised to 40%

I can lean forward easily around 65-60 degree. My EUC can manage this. Motor is powerful enough to keep me safe. I haven't tried more. On the sport mode I think I can do more with acceleration. I don't know this yet.

Do IPS ZERO 130Wh and 260Wh has the same motor as 340Wh? 

If We have a different motors inside, bigger battery will give You only better distance. Am I right? 

What I know? When I changed from atmosphere light to meteor light option, battery changed from 30% to 22% in two sec time. Hmmm... I am still testing 340Wh. I need a time to give You more info. I am really happy with this wheel for now. 

PS. 5cm high street kerb (curb) tried to stop me... Echhh.... Run Forest, run...

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by Bob

[esaj]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Hmmm...

As You know I have IPS ZERO 340 WH. 

With all respect to all of You.  I don't know what kind of battery I have inside as I had never opened my Zero. I ordered 340Wh and as I can see on my app, it is 340Wh. That is what I know. Today I tried to do max milage and... Sorry, strong wind against me on half way....  I did only 22 km. The battery was still around 25-30% without any problems on the way. When I back to my car and then I back to home battery rised to 40%

I can lean forward easily around 65-60 degree. My EUC can manage this. Motor is powerful enough to keep me safe. I haven't tried more. On the sport mode I think I can do more with acceleration. I don't know this yet.

Do IPS ZERO 130Wh and 260Wh has the same motor as 340Wh? 

If We have a different motors inside, bigger battery will give You only better distance. Am I right? 

What I know? When I changed from atmosphere light to meteor light option, battery changed from 30% to 22% in two sec time. Hmmm... I am still testing 340Wh. I need a time to give You more info. I am really happy with this wheel for now. 

PS. 5cm high street kerb (curb) tried to stop me... Echhh.... Run Forest, run...

The spec sheet on the first page of this topic lists the 340Wh version having 1000W motor vs. 800W on 130/260Wh -versions (this post, scroll down a bit: http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/748-ips-zero/?do=findComment&comment=8106 ). Don't know if it's true though.

The other difference between 130Wh and 260/340Wh is the amount of battery packs. 130Wh is single pack, 260Wh is 2 * 130Wh packs and 340Wh is 2 * 170Wh. Although the real numbers are probably 132Wh, 264Wh and 348Wh, if using the usual 2.2Ah / 2.9Ah cells. Any way, the point is that in the models with two packs, the batteries can give out about twice as much (continuous/peak) power. Assuming the cells could give out (just for example, I haven't checked the specs for the cells) 3C continuous / 6C peak currents, the single pack wheel would be rated for about 2.2 * 3 = 6.6A continuous / 2.2 * 6 = 13.2A peak. If the voltage could stay around 60V there, that would mean 60V * 6.6A = 396W continous, 60V * 13.2A = 792W peak. Those values will drop once the voltage drops. The models with two battery packs have those power values doubled... well actually, since the 340Wh model uses larger capacity cells, if the C-values are the same, it actually gives out more than double, as the C's relate to the cell capacity, so 3 * 2.9 = 8.7A, 6 * 2.9 = 17.4A  =>  60V * 8.7A = 522W, 60V * 17.4A = 1044W. Probably the reason why the 340Wh -version is reported as the only one having a 1000W peak motor, as the battery packs in the other two may not be even rated to give out that much power.

It could very well be that the cells used can give out more than 3C continous / 6C peak outputs, though. But even so, it still stands that the 2-pack models can give out roughly twice the continous / peak power vs. the 132Wh single-pack model (assuming they use the same/similarly output-rated cells).

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by esaj

[Pagsy]

21 minutes ago, esaj said:

The spec sheet on the first page of this topic lists the 340Wh version having 1000W motor vs. 800W on 130/260Wh -versions (this post, scroll down a bit: http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/748-ips-zero/?do=findComment&comment=8106 ). Don't know if it's true though.

The other difference between 130Wh and 260/340Wh is the amount of battery packs. 130Wh is single pack, 260Wh is 2 * 130Wh packs and 340Wh is 2 * 170Wh. Although the real numbers are probably 132Wh, 264Wh and 348Wh, if using the usual 2.2Ah / 2.9Ah cells. Any way, the point is that in the models with two packs, the batteries can give out about twice as much (continuous/peak) power. Assuming the cells could give out (just for example, I haven't checked the specs for the cells) 3C continuous / 6C peak currents, the single pack wheel would be rated for about 2.2 * 3 = 6.6A continuous / 2.2 * 6 = 13.2A peak. If the voltage could stay around 60V there, that would mean 60V * 6.6A = 396W continous, 60V * 13.2A = 792W peak. Those values will drop once the voltage drops. The models with two battery packs have those power values doubled... well actually, since the 340Wh model uses larger capacity cells, if the C-values are the same, it actually gives out more than double, as the C's relate to the cell capacity, so 3 * 2.9 = 8.7A, 6 * 2.9 = 17.4A  =>  60V * 8.7A = 522W, 60V * 17.4A = 1044W. Probably the reason why the 340Wh -version is reported as the only one having a 1000W peak motor, as the battery packs in the other two may not be even rated to give out that much power.

It could very well be that the cells used can give out more than 3C continous / 6C peak outputs, though. But even so, it still stands that the 2-pack models can give out roughly twice the continous / peak power vs. the 132Wh single-pack model (assuming they use the same cells).

 

the package I got indicates 340Wh (I assume it is 1000W motor).

the manual inside the plastic next to the wheel doesn't mention 340wh, but there is a sitck on 1 of the pages that indicates 0233 IPS Zero 340wh.

So I don't know what to think about my unit. I trust tony but I'm afraid I will have to open that and check it out.

Last time I charged the battery and it took more than 2h (from 20%) so I guess it is a 340wh.

[Jason McNeil]

17 minutes ago, Pagsy said:

the package I got indicates 340Wh (I assume it is 1000W motor).

I've been an IPS distributor for nearly 2 years & can say with absolutely certainty that the sustained motor rating of 1,000W is categorically wrong. IPS uses the same formula as Airwheel (and many of the others, KS excepted), where they take the nameplate power output of the battery pack & adopt this as the 'motor power'. It's just wrong & causes a lot of unnecessary confusion. 

Edited November 16, 2015 by Jason McNeil