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37 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

As a fervent fan of your products I implore you to consider adding one or more of these improvements to your future wheels:

  • Trolley handles are so useful, and you demonstrated how nice they can be with your super popular MSuper V3. Why not make them standard in all of your future wheels. People would love you for it.

Added suggestion on the Trolley Handle I have the MSuper and the trolley handle are super useful I use them everyday, so please spent a few extra dollars and include a stronger stiffer handle. The current ones are so flimsy and wobbly I am sure it will snap off sooner or later.

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24 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

Add a @Linnea Lin Gotway and a @Jane Mo into your message, and they will see it.  Linnea visited just recently I believe.

I wonder whether the speaker can be easily swapped with a large cone speaker.  I don't know what the current speaker is voltage rated at, but sometimes you can swap out for a slightly bigger one without a problem.  I've always wondered whether some sort of metal subframe could be made onto which the plastic shells are mounted to.  That gives the screws a better purchase point on metal rather than expect the plastic to hold things together.  Although the shell isn't stress bearing, it does have to support the weight of the batteries and control board.  Why not have like a metal spine at least like the Ninebot One?

Thanks for adding them, I should of thought of that.

An internal framework is a great idea, but they also need to use better screws because the ones they use now actually snap in half (machine screws with a thread locker would be even better).

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Very informative post Marty. 

(If you haven't already) I highly recommend the third party 84v/5amp/3x 1radwerkstatt speed charger from Ian, it's faster than a Port Splitter. Little pricey but this thing is such a time saver and cuts the waiting time down by 2/3rds. Thoroughly tested and well worth the purchase. 

https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/msuper-v3-parts/products/gotway-84v-5amp-110v-usa-etc-fast-charger-3x-speed-for-gotway

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1 hour ago, TremF said:

Great post Marty.

Up to now Gotway looks to have been listening to it's customers requests in that they have made their EUC's faster and put in bigger batteries also changed the shell type on, at least, one of their wheels to make it more suitable (I couldn't believe it when they released the glossy MSuper V3) added the trolley handle into the design of the MSuper V3 and changed pedal designs slightly. 

Among other things they, at least, need to up their game a little where screw and shell strength/quality are concerned and then they will be even more desirable. The Monster is a great example of a fantastic wheel but the handle/switch area is a serious weak point. Ian is hoping to have the tear down video up for me very soon then I can swap my Monster into it's shiny new purple shell where I will be adding some tough rubber bumpers to, hopefully, protect it better in the future. :) 

 

Good to know Ian's doing a tear down video. Can't wait to see it. I'll be interested to see much effort you go through to swap out your shell.

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4 minutes ago, Eddrush said:

Very informative post Marty. 

(If you haven't already) I highly recommend the third party 84v/5amp/3x 1radwerkstatt speed charger from Ian, it's faster than a Port Splitter. Little pricey but this thing is such a time saver and cuts the waiting time down by 2/3rds. Thoroughly tested and well worth the purchase. 

https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/msuper-v3-parts/products/gotway-84v-5amp-110v-usa-etc-fast-charger-3x-speed-for-gotway

Thanks. Actually I'm waiting for my new MSuper V3s+ from Jason and I think he is supplying fast chargers with all of this 84v Gotway wheels. If it does come with one I'll use that for all my wheels.

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Hello Marty,

Love all of your recommendations, may i comment some ?

  • I think i've heard fast charger might damage life span of batteries, so i would suggest as the pedals option, having the choice about it. I'm not an expert so i don't really know about this.
  • You talk about about security features, and how alarms aren't loud enough. Why not try a new approach : sensitivity alarms around the legs/feet. I'm pretty sure we could do some "tap tap" system alert without being too damaging for the shells/screws/etc. This would be a nice double alarm system making sure you can't miss the signal.
  • What about accessibility to tire or inner tube ? When puncture occurs, you need a decent set of tools to fix it... (e.g. ACM)

Just wanted to share a bit since you're the biggest GW fan :)

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9 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Good to know Ian's doing a tear down video. Can't wait to see it. I'll be interested to see much effort you go through to swap out your shell.

I am not looking forward to it to be honest. It's my first time properly opening an EUC let alone changing a whole shell. Mostly I'm not looking forward to it due to the wires/connectors that are covered in silicone sealant. My eyes aren't what they used to be and I don't want to be splicing some of the thinner wires in particular also my fine motor skills aren't the same since my spine/nerve issues started. There's also the battery disconnect/re-connect order so as to not have it arc/blow on me.

Hopefully he'll have the video up by the weekend then I can tackle it and get it out of the way so I can relax again lol

8 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Thanks. Actually I'm waiting for my new MSuper V3s+ from Jason and I think he is supplying fast chargers with all of this 84v Gotway wheels. If it does come with one I'll use that for all my wheels.

As you say though the big batteries should come with the fast chargers as they aren't cheep to pick up separately BUT I suppose both charger types are required really so the batteries can get a slower charge now and again. Constant fast charging can't be good for them.

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3 minutes ago, Zenko said:

Hello Marty,

Love all of your recommendations, may i comment some ?

  • I think i've heard fast charger might damage life span of batteries, so i would suggest as the pedals option, having the choice about it. I'm not an expert so i don't really know about this.
  • You talk about about security features, and how alarms aren't loud enough. Why not try a new approach : sensitivity alarms around the legs/feet. I'm pretty sure we could do some "tap tap" system alert without being too damaging for the shells/screws/etc. This would be a nice double alarm system making sure you can't miss the signal.
  • What about accessibility to tire or inner tube ? When puncture occurs, you need a decent set of tools to fix it... (e.g. ACM)

Just wanted to share a bit since you're the biggest GW fan :)

This was one of my concerns too, but there's no short term degradation unless you make a habit of overcharging em. 

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3 minutes ago, TremF said:

BUT I suppose both charger types are required really so the batteries can get a slower charge now and again. Constant fast charging can't be good for them.

Correct Trem. I usually slow charge the wheels overnight, but if the wheels need a quick top up I'll fast charge. As you mentioned - I wouldn't recommend consistent fast charging.

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25 minutes ago, Zenko said:

Hello Marty,

Love all of your recommendations, may i comment some ?

  • I think i've heard fast charger might damage life span of batteries, so i would suggest as the pedals option, having the choice about it. I'm not an expert so i don't really know about this.
  • You talk about about security features, and how alarms aren't loud enough. Why not try a new approach : sensitivity alarms around the legs/feet. I'm pretty sure we could do some "tap tap" system alert without being too damaging for the shells/screws/etc. This would be a nice double alarm system making sure you can't miss the signal.
  • What about accessibility to tire or inner tube ? When puncture occurs, you need a decent set of tools to fix it... (e.g. ACM)

Just wanted to share a bit since you're the biggest GW fan :)

I was hoping this page might be a place to collect suggestions from Gotway fans on how to improve their wheels so that we can enjoy them more. So thanks for your input.

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4 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I'm your biggest fan and want you to succeed and destroy all of your meager competition.

Why on earth would you want GW to destroy all competition, thus limiting our choices to whatever this one manufacturer produces? That's pretty unfair! Just because you like their wheels doesn't mean others should not have other options to choose from. :angry:

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19 minutes ago, Christoph Zens said:

Why on earth would you want GW to destroy all competition, thus limiting our choices to whatever this one manufacturer produces? That's pretty unfair! Just because you like their wheels doesn't mean others should not have other options to choose from. :angry:

That was probably the wrong choice of words. It wouldn't destroy competition. It would mean that all manufacturers would have to step up their game to become the same/better than the others. People would then choose through design, price and how much power/speed they want rather than being put off by or have to worry about cheap materials, poor safety etc.

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I would love an option to turn off the Gotway dipping when you make a tight turn. It is useful but when going higher speeds and making dramatic turns it would be so nice to not have the wheel shift like that. At slow speeds I like it, but most of the time I really would rather it stay more constant.

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1 hour ago, Eddrush said:

Correct Trem. I usually slow charge the wheels overnight, but if the wheels need a quick top up I'll fast charge. As you mentioned - I wouldn't recommend consistent fast charging.

Now leaving a Lithium battery on charge overnight, that is a terrible idea, unless you have the wheel in a well ventilated fire safe area. It may be a 1:10,000 chance the charger might overvoltage or the BMS fail but why risk your life. One very good argument for faster chargers.

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Very informative post Marty! Many of your great suggestions could be implemented very easily by GW without a corporate huge expense or compete redesign! Examples:

  • Replacing the tone beeper with a speaker (I might try this myself on the ACM)
  • Provide a means to turn off the beeper (should be an easy firmware upgrade,) Suppose you could have an external switch but it would detract from the overall appearance
  • Provide additional hardness settings (Again firmware upgrade)
  • Replace the single brightness LED with a multi-level LED ( may require an update to the board that would provides a means to adjust the voltage to the light but GW's engineers could easily tackle this)
  • Visible battery indicator light should be a given no matter the cost!
  • Option for wider tires ( might require a mold modification but still easy)
  • Add bluetooth speakers   :clap3: :cheers: (Adding a BT board would be easy for GW)

 If you can't wait for GW there is a board for $9.99 usd from http://m.tomtop.com/modules-219/p-e1184.html. There is plenty of room inside most GW shells to mount this. You would need to cut small holes or slots for speakers.

  • Adding mudguards, using higher alloy screws, faster charger, adding a kick stand, durable trolley handle, and easier access to the GW app, possibly through the much beloved BT connection port (Save The Port) and diagnostics through the phone app appear to also be easy fixes!

I say yes to all of Marty's well articulated requests! 

6 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I don't know if you will ever see this letter.

I cannot imagine that GW is not listening! 

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1 hour ago, TremF said:

There's also the battery disconnect/re-connect order so as to not have it arc/blow on me.

Sequence for reconnecting the battery packs to the mainboard:

1) Connect each of the battery packs together first.

2 Connect the joined packs to the mainboard connector. There will be a small arc when performing this connection but nothing to worry about. Make the connection deliberate (no pause).

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5 minutes ago, Keith said:

Now leaving a Lithium battery on charge overnight, that is a terrible idea, unless you have the wheel in a well ventilated fire safe area. It may be a 1:10,000 chance the charger might overvoltage or the BMS fail but why risk your life. One very good argument for faster chargers.

I work nights in a CCTV Control Room. (two-step tap dance with thumbs up) "TADAAH!!" :thumbup: 

Lol I'll be fine Keith, thanks for your concern. But you're absolutely right though, considering the circumstances it's not wise for anyone unconscious :sleep1:who can't monitor what's going on.   

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2 hours ago, Christoph Zens said:

Why on earth would you want GW to destroy all competition, thus limiting our choices to whatever this one manufacturer produces? That's pretty unfair! Just because you like their wheels doesn't mean others should not have other options to choose from. :angry:

I agree.  Even though my first wheel ever is an expensive Gotway, I don't want them to wipe out the competition. If they do, there will be little incentive for them to improve, and fewer model choices and fresh ideas.

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@Linnea Lin Gotway @Jane Mo read the first post:) GW wheels are great, but there are some obvious improvements possible.

Also please:

  • Remove the pedal dipping forward when turning. It is supposed to help, but it does the opposite.
  • In general, THINK what each part of the wheel is for, and make it 100% useful:) For example, have a front light (great idea!) that is bright enough for real traffic (with cars, at night, ...) and a bright back light too (maybe with brake light function so people see when you brake)
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