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A traffic "incident" with a happy ending (for me at least)

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Yes, new camera, stat!  I'll be riding in MD soon, and one of my must-haves is going to be a camera with enough capacity to cover even the longest of my trips.  As a new transportation modality, we are going to be colliding with all the other ones.  Video seems like the best way to make sure that the people who adjudicate these conflicts have all the facts they need to make good decisions.  

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Oh wow! Saturday excitement everywhere! Bummer on the GoPro! I would love to have seen Mr. Angry's face!:furious:

22 minutes ago, dmethvin said:

Here's the part that really made me happy. Mr Angry says, "He shouldn't be riding a motor vehicle on the sidewalk!" The cop says, "No, it's a pedestrian device, he can ride it on the sidewalk." (That's the term they use for an EUC or Segway here in Maryland, "pedestrian device".) Mr Angry asks, "Doesn't he have to walk it across the intersection?" The cop says, "No, he doesn't have to dismount, he only has to do that if it's a bike."

Love it! See cops are good people! He called it a Pedestrian Device. Awesome! The PD likes your PD.... give it a few seconds!:sleep1:

 

Edited by Rehab1

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Same kind of incident, I am crossing 6 lane and a car, same direction as myself tried to turn right after I was already crossing, right in front of me THREE times, almost hit three times same Asshole person. Pediatrician always have right away...

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1 hour ago, MetricUSA said:

Same kind of incident, I am crossing 6 lane and a car, same direction as myself tried to turn right after I was already crossing, right in front of me THREE times, almost hit three times same Asshole person. Pediatrician always have right away...

They help sick kids for gods sake :D

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Cop sounds awesome.  Hope you gave him the respect he deserves.

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14 hours ago, dmethvin said:

After that, I'm really starting to wonder whether I should ever stop in cases like that.

That's a bit of a strange conclusion. Sure you should stop, if you are a witness and could help the guy who after all braked for you (sure he should have seen you in advance, and if he braked twice unexpectedly he is in part guilty of the accident, not just the lady who hit him). No reason to leave people alone just because one happens to be an asshole who does not understand how green lights at turns work.

Also, bikes (as in bicycles) have to be walked on crosswalks? What kind of bike-hostile **** is that?

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3 hours ago, kasenutty said:

They help sick kids for gods sake :D

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Also, bikes (as in bicycles) have to be walked on crosswalks? What kind of bike-hostile **** is that?

I assumed he was talking about this case, for left turns a bicycle can act like a pedestrian or a vehicle, described here: http://www.sha.maryland.gov/index.aspx?PageId=357

  • Make Left Hand Turns Safely: You may turn left as a vehicle by moving into the left side of the travel lane (or left turn lane) OR cross like a pedestrian by stopping, dismounting, and walking across crosswalks.

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Darn I got a whoooole different picture in my head after reading that thread title.  :popcorn:  Nevermind, carry on, carry on.   Oh that reminds me I got at an appointment at the massage parlour at 2.

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ZOMG, @dmethvin's alive! (OK, after checking your profile, you've posted here and there even during this year ;))

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Great story and conclusion. Plus 1 for EUCs :thumbup:

BTW. explaining that it's not a motor vehicle never goes well, at least for me. People are pretty headstrong in this regards.

Edited by Marty Backe

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I usually carry my wheel when crossing an intersection like this. I feel that I can look around better and react better to unexpected situations.

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This intersection rule in the USA really doesn't make sense to me.  I understand how it works but it disagrees with my logic on how traffic and pedestrian right of way should work.

Nether the less, good that the outcome of this incident was in your favor.

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On 4/29/2017 at 9:49 PM, dmethvin said:

The cop says, "No, it's a pedestrian device, he can ride it on the sidewalk." (That's the term they use for an EUC or Segway here in Maryland, "pedestrian device".) Mr Angry asks, "Doesn't he have to walk it across the intersection?" The cop says, "No, he doesn't have to dismount, he only has to do that if it's a bike."

That's so great to hear, and glad it worked out for you, go @dmethvin!  Do you, by any chance, have a link to any Maryland law that explicitly states the legality of the "pedestrian device?"  I've searched high and low for one with no luck.  It would really be something helpful to have for one of our rides in the DMV area.  It's also one of the reasons I haven't hosted a ride in Maryland yet.

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Yes, @dbfrese is right that you could exclude an EUC on technical grounds even though a big fat two-wheeled Segway would be okay. I think most people see that wouldn't make sense, especially because a Segway can go faster and takes up more room on the sidewalk. At this point plenty of local law enforcement have seen me in Maryland, Virginia, and the District and none of them have ever questioned whether it's legal.

I think the reason they like the term "pedestrian device" is that it makes things clear that even though the thing has a motor and is a vehicle it's not a "motor vehicle".

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15 hours ago, dmethvin said:

 

15 hours ago, dmethvin said:

At this point plenty of local law enforcement have seen me in Maryland, Virginia, and the District and none of them have ever questioned whether it's legal.

I've never been questioned by LE officers anywhere in Arizona either, but there's always the possibility of a hard-nosed cop wanting to show an EUCer who's boss by writing a ticket for "driving on the sidewalk" or some other nonsense offense. Your judge would probably not be able to stretch a definition that specifically says "two wheels" to include a device that only has one wheel.

Another concern is in civil court. If you had been injured in the traffic incident, and you needed to recover medical costs from the driver of the SUV, the defendant's lawyer could use the statute's language to keep you from recovering any damages. Since there is no mention of one-wheeled self balancing devices in the law, they have no defined rights or privileges (like being able to use sidewalks and crosswalks). They essentially fall into a legal "twilight zone." Even having GoPro video of the incident would not be of any use at all.

 

 

Edited by dbfrese

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19 hours ago, dbfrese said:

Unless I'm missing something, it looks like Maryland Law officially uses the term “Electric personal assistive mobility device” or “EPAMD," just like most other states, and they are defined as "two nontandem" wheeled like most other states do. It looks like technically electric unicycles are not included in the law. Looks like @dmethvin got lucky! 

Here's a link to the appropriate section:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2017rs/statute_google/gtr/21-101.pdf 

 

@dbfrese, perfect!  I'm glad Virginia and DC sections are written such that EUCs fall under their existing wording.  Good to see that the police officer @dmethvin encountered interpreted the wording intuitively rather than literally.  Thank you!

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