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3 minutes ago, Smoother said:

marmite is an acquired taste. I'm sensing you haven't acquired it.  You need marmite training.  It has to be spread veryyy thin.  When I'm spinning through Germany I'll come EUCing with you and we'll have a good  marmite session.  You'll love it.?

Dear @Smoother, love to see, ride & dine with you - if we can just leave out this culinary weapon of mass destruction called Marmite :(. The detail you overlooked with the acquired taste thing is, that Marmite training has to be applied at the earliest age, BEFORE the trainee has the faintest chance for defense.

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21 minutes ago, Smoother said:

It sounds like you are saying that these places are legal, but our Welsh dude was EUCing on the pavement.  I'm confused. Are you just less likely to get "hassled by the man" if you stay off the public highway?

Whilst the law is frustratingly black and white - if EUC's are not allowed except on private land, then they are not allowed anywhere else. But using cycleways I would think that the case you could make for your defence is rather stronger if you were riding in sensible places at sensible speeds, with due consideration for other cycleway / pathway users. Whereas if you are caught bombing down a public road on an EUC among cars and other traffic - that really is pretty indefensible. 

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@Smoother I have no idea of the legal situation on Brighton seafront but the 3-4 times I've been there I've been very careful not to annoy anyone and have mostly stuck to the cycle path. Ive not been stopped either there or nearer home and have gone past plenty of cops. They seem more curious than anything else. 

Ref Marmite, yes it is an acquired taste but the more you eat the thicker you need to spread it to get the same effect. I get through one of those massive bulk jars every few weeks. Yummmmmmm.....  think i might need to go make some toast ...

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4 hours ago, Smoother said:

Thanks guys.  You mention cycle paths, pavements, the sea front at Brighton, etc.  It sounds like you are saying that these places are legal,

No absolutely not, just unlikely to attract attention.

The law (and I beleive the only law) being quoted against Hoverboards when they were high profile last year was Section 72 of the 1835 highways act: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Act_1835. The first thing to note is there was no such thing as a motor vehicle then. The 'fine' that breaking that rule incurs is a £30 civil (i.e. Not motoring) penalty, so wasn't a really big concern. Riding in the road <should> have been the action that might have created a motoring offence (IMHO)

Almost certainly (but it is a read between the lines assumption) there was damage (or perceived damage) to the car and the rider behaved stupidly but it still sets a very nasty and excessive precedent that we could have done without. Using a leash to prevent the wheel flying off might well have stopped it happening-again IMHO! ?)

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@Tilmann so what you're saying is that forcing weak defenceless children to eat marmite is a form of child abuse, a sort of brain washing?  Now I get it . I knew I was abused somewhere back there.  And all this time I thought it had something to do with a priest.  MARMITE. I get it now. @nute put some toast on for me, it's marmite time !!!?

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Just now, Smoother said:

@Tilmann so what you're saying is that forcing weak defenceless children to eat marmite is a form of child abuse, a sort of brain washing?  Now I get it . I knew I was abused somewhere back there.  And all this time I thought it had something to do with a priest.  MARMITE. I get it now. @nute put some toast on for me, it's marmite time !!!?

I don't know why any of you are buggering about with marmite when there's nutella.

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@Cerbera yes, low profile is the key. Kinda hard to be low profile when gliding around on a euc, but cycle paths better than high street on a Saturday morning, or hard shoulder of the M4 motorway m sorta begs the question; should we or shouldn't we try to grow our local EUC community.  The more wheels the higher the profile and the higher the chance of someone throwing their EUC into the side of a car and the cops being called.

and, no.  Never could get into chocolate and hazelnut  spreads even though I like both. ?

@Juggler yes very interesting reading and depressing, terminated at birth so to speak.  Some good links in that article too.  I especially liked the interview with ninebot about why they bought Segway.

@Keith using a leash.  I have been pondering this one myself.  I use a leash currently because I'm still learning and just when everything seems great, I loose it and have to jump off. My leash has kept my wheel upright,  close by and under control many many times. I have had several cop cars cruise by me here in Spain but none have bothered me.  My (longer that stock) leash is bright red and easy to see. I'd like to think that the presence and conspicuous use of a leash might dissuade a curios copper from messing with us.  I know you experienced types look down on a leash as some sort of sporn of the devil.  But if given the choice between "unleashed, harassed and prosecuted " , and " leashed, and left in peace". I know what I'd choose.

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Had my first police stop on Saturday in central London. 


I was cruising along the bike path on Embankment, went up to Balckfirars Bridge and a motorbike cop pulled up and stopped me. 

 

He said:

*EUC is a motor vehicle in the eyes of the law.

*I will need insurance to ride it. 

*London Met are not cracking down on these at the moment, but they will soon.

*"It's a shame as you look really good at it." 

 

Real bum, though happy to have got away with it!

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There goes the neighbourhood.  There goes our sport/hobby/green transport.  Pretty soon we'll  only be safe wheeling in our own back yards.  Not much fun in that, after the first 300 laps!  I know some wheels can go off road, but where I wanted to use mine back in Blighty was to and from home, shops, my rental properties, my dads house and my brothers house, all within a mile, and no "off road" in sight.  Either off road or we'll have to skulk around on side roads always looking over our shoulders for the fuzz. And since ALL my sights are on main roads, and the police station is right there too, that will prove to be difficult. This is all going horribly wrong in the UK.

 Is it possible we could persuade an insurance company to put an EUC policy together, regardless of no VIN, not certified as road vehicle, no operating license available, and all the other reasons we currently can't get insurance?

 

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Never mind. Segway tried passing legislation to get the Segway classified as a epamd electronic personal assistance mobility device ( or something Mike that). No dice in most places. if they failed, we have no chance.

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 It's been 7 months since this discussion was active i was wondering how all the original posters were still fairing with using their EUCs in the UK.

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I ride all the time, I even (voluntarily) stopped to have a chat with a police officer yesterday. 

So long as you ride with caution and sensibly - nobody seems to mind.

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Wow, that's some story, and it makes me sad to read it :( :angry: What was the wheel that they confiscated?

Is it really this bad for EUC riders in Hong Kong?

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start work around 8pm and finish work around 4pm

 

 

20 hours a day is one hardworking man, man. 

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46 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

20 hours a day is one hardworking man, man. 

 4am was mentioned there, so must've been a typo... still 9 hours though...

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I have just submitted a point of view on this very subject and I think that it is something that we ignore at our peril.

On Points for Riding an EUC without Liability Insurance in THE UK.

It seems to me that as the law stands the only tool that the police have is the lack of Liability Insurance. I think that if enough of us got together and approached an insurance company such a cover could be made worth their while.

I think that it would certainly be worth trying to pursue this course to all of our benefit.

peterpeco.

 

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I have tried to get insurance, spoken to several brokers but no luck. There just are not enough of us to make it worthwhile and there is no standard quality for these things so anyone wanting to offer insurance will be very cautious as they then don't know exactly what they are offering insurance on. The only ray of hope i have had is on persuading my house insurance provider to include what would effectively be public liability cover for it. Im awaiting further details but it will be better than nothing. 

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On 2/23/2018 at 9:58 AM, Alexoneill852 said:

Today I am ANGRY at the Hong Kong Government especially the Hong Kong Police Force.

<snip>

The police van doors opened and some mental police officers jump3d out looking like they were going to attack me they were so angry, demanding my ID card and pushing me against the wall. 

They started shouting at me in English over and over telling me they are police and saying I don't know they are police, shouting at me who am I think law doesn't apply to me. I was like huh? wtf is going on here? They took.my id card and checked it on radio. I still didn't know what was happening, so I asked I was told don't play with them I should know what I did. They told me I was being arrested for obstructing a police officer and for use of EUC.

2 hours later at station I was released on bail for $400hkd and my EUC was remained In station.

They said it is a motor vehicle and so illegal.

I AM FURIOUS NOW!!! 

Wow, maybe we need to start a worldwide legal defence fund. Still, I wonder if they are always like this in Hong Kong; were they trying to make an example of you; or was there some threat issue or other event going on (possible invasion from the mainland:blink1:) that caused their sphincters to tighten?

I stil think the best way to pre-empt reactionary responses is to entice and welcome our neighbors, communities and law enforcement to our side.

When that fails, move. :ph34r:

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57 minutes ago, steve454 said:

Maybe this is not available in the UK, but Segway insurance seems to be available here.  Also mentioned is having a rider added to auto insurance policy, maybe some companies in the UK are open to personal transportation device insurance  .https://www.nationwide.com/segway-insurance-tips.jsp

Great research Steve! I pulled up Nationwide and it appears Segway coverage is still listed. The barrier I believe will be bridging a policy between a two wheeled Segway to a one wheeled EUC. I plan to contact them. 

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4 hours ago, Rehab1 said:

The barrier I believe will be bridging a policy between a two wheeled Segway to a one wheeled EUC

Yeah, the two wheeled Segways have redundant motherboards and batteries.  Supposedly they can't cutoff suddenly and faceplant someone, at least the first time.:whistling:  What would be insurable is a two wheel EUC, one in front of the other, with no seat of handlebars, steered by the same method as a one wheel EUC. by weight shifting and leaning.:rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, steve454 said:

Yeah, the two wheeled Segways have redundant motherboards and batteries.  Supposedly they can't cutoff suddenly and faceplant someone, at least the first time.:whistling:  What would be insurable is a two wheel EUC, one in front of the other, with no seat of handlebars, steered by the same method as a one wheel EUC. by weight shifting and leaning.:rolleyes:

Who knows. I’m sure the volume of interested members may be the impetus for any insurance  to take a hard look at including the EUCs in there portfolio. I just looked up Progressive Insurance and they have Segway coverage as well. With the name ‘Progressive’  they have to be open minded to change. 

Just look at their opening statement:  “Cruise Sidewalks, roads, paths, or whatever else you take on your Segway with the same protection you have in your car..”

Being they’ve have such low rates I already have Progressive Insurance for my motorcycle.  I’ll see today just how Progressive they actually are. 

 

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Edit:

I just tried to enter the info online. Under ‘Model’ I was hoping there would be an ‘ Other’ option instead of listing the Segway’s specific models. No such luck. I could not proceed any further. Suppose a direct phone call is the answer. 

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