GotWay Msuper V3 specification

[Eman]

18 hours ago, Battling said:

No way, for me. I have a MCM4 HS and was waiting for MSUPER V3. But when I see the behaviour of Gotway, I won't spend any buck with them until they solve @Kevin Grandon and @TremF 's issues.
I really don't understand how a company could act like that and lack totally empathy and even commercial sense, while "little" resellers as @Jason McNeil make all their possible to satisfy the customers.

I agree with @HunkaHunkaBurningLove : boycott is the only way when nothing does move after months.

@Linnea Lin Gotway

Don't you want to do something against unsatisfied customers? 

I understand, that the repair business is a hard one and always implemented slowly. It costs money for a company, but you can be sure that it will be more expensive, if you will not have customers any more cause they read the stuff in this forum. 

I think now the people who are here just want to support your business, cause they all love mono-cycling... Please tell that to your top level management and colleagues that they need to give the love from the customers back to them! 

What is the difficulty to solve the issues from the guys? If you maybe make it transparent, the specialists here can help you! 

Boycott is not needed, Help each other brings us more further... 

Have all a nice cycling weekend! 

Emanuel

PS: I'm going to test the Msuper soon and I'm as well ready to help solving problems. 

[Linnea Veteran]

57 minutes ago, Eman said:

@Linnea Lin Gotway

Don't you want to do something against unsatisfied customers? 

I understand, that the repair business is a hard one and always implemented slowly. It costs money for a company, but you can be sure that it will be more expensive, if you will not have customers any more cause they read the stuff in this forum. 

I think now the people who are here just want to support your business, cause they all love mono-cycling... Please tell that to your top level management and colleagues that they need to give the love from the customers back to them! 

What is the difficulty to solve the issues from the guys? If you maybe make it transparent, the specialists here can help you! 

Boycott is not needed, Help each other brings us more further... 

Have all a nice cycling weekend! 

Emanuel

PS: I'm going to test the Msuper soon and I'm as well ready to help solving problems. 

I have contacted Kevin Grandon to help to solve up the problem, but he didn't purchase the wheel from me directly. I have told him to contact seller who sells the wheels to him to supply after sales service. If he bought the wheel from me, I have right to offer after sales service when he need some spare part to take place of his bad spare parts. And I have reflect the problem to our colleague who is responsible for after sales service to check who sell the wheel to Grandon, and ask him to contact the seller to do aftersales service. This is what I can do for a customer who did't purchase wheels from me, this is the company rules that I don't have right to offer any spare part for a customer that didn't buy wheel from me. For riders who bought wheels from me have never complained that they don't have a good after sales from me. You may check it anywhere if there is anyone who is complained that he/she get the wheel from me but I didn't supply after sales service. 

 

[EricGhost]

57 minutes ago, Linnea Lin Gotway said:

I have contacted Kevin Grandon to help to solve up the problem, but he didn't purchase the wheel from me directly. I have told him to contact seller who sells the wheels to him to supply after sales service. If he bought the wheel from me, I have right to offer after sales service when he need some spare part to take place of his bad spare parts. And I have reflect the problem to our colleague who is responsible for after sales service to check who sell the wheel to Grandon, and ask him to contact the seller to do aftersales service. This is what I can do for a customer who did't purchase wheels from me, this is the company rules that I don't have right to offer any spare part for a customer that didn't buy wheel from me. For riders who bought wheels from me have never complained that they don't have a good after sales from me. You may check it anywhere if there is anyone who is complained that he/she get the wheel from me but I didn't supply after sales service. 

 

So easy solution just buy only straight from gotway  , look like they cannot manage their resellers  

neither taking responsabilities for their action, but maybe this is a bit earlier to state let's see if there is a follow up  

[Linnea Veteran]

Just now, EricGhost said:

So easy solution just buy only straight from gotway  , look like they cannot manage they resellers  

This is a way to protect sellers who pay effort to develop customers.

[EricGhost]

3 minutes ago, Linnea Lin Gotway said:

This is a way to protect sellers who pay effort to develop customers.

Maybe there is customer fault, but if not they are not developing quite the contrary looks like. We'll see the developments  

[OliverH]

It's quite normal that a manufacturer don't handle directly customer requests/ warranty issues. That's part of the connection customer/ seller. As we know from @Linnea Lin Gotway answer they look in the issues when a customer escalate the issue here or if he contacts Gotway. It's not usual to handle the story in public (if there's a problem seller/ Gotway). The customers are a good sensor to see problems and this should be used by the manufacturers.

[Alien Rides]

To clarify I purchased the wheel directly from Jane Mo (who works at Gotway). I'm not sure how things are run at Gotway, but it seems that Linnea is unable to help customers who ordered from Jane for some reason. I did order direct from Gotway, but I would not recommend doing that due to the runaround they've been giving me. Buy from a reseller, then they can eat into their own profits if they get a lemon wheel if needed in return for a future customer.

It's a shame, they could've sent me a few dollars in parts, but instead they lost several wheel purchases from myself.

 

[EUC Extreme]

The old technology out. New in.

https://www.facebook.com/EUCExtreme/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1769325999949147

The new V3 engine is considerably wider than the old one. It also weighs about 1000g more.

[EricGhost]

On 6 agosto 2016 at 7:33 PM, Kevin Grandon said:

To clarify I purchased the wheel directly from Jane Mo (who works at Gotway). I'm not sure how things are run at Gotway, but it seems that Linnea is unable to help customers who ordered from Jane for some reason. I did order direct from Gotway, but I would not recommend doing that due to the runaround they've been giving me. Buy from a reseller, then they can eat into their own profits if they get a lemon wheel if needed in return for a future customer.

It's a shame, they could've sent me a few dollars in parts, but instead they lost several wheel purchases from myself.

 

So no resellers do not even buy from gotway itself ?!  

[Cloud]

I hope that Gotway makes the MS version and the HT for V3. Ive recently had a chance to try Msuoer 2 HS and while i loved the feeling of riding a large solid wheel on huge pedals, there is 2 things that fell short of my expectations. 1 - the unit is so wide that it cuts into the inner part of the leg and makes it uncomfortabke to ride. If course people get used to it, but its much nice to be getting used to something more comfortable. 

2- the torque of the wheel kinda disappointed me. I am used to riding ks14" and the torque is Msuper 2 HS 1000wt is nowhere near the possibilities of ks14 800wt or even ks18 800wt. If i accelerate a little faster or more importantly try to brake sharp , it always ends in a fall. Especially braking - if i am coming to an intersection and there is a car coming in, crossing and i need to brake, i cant brake sharp- i just fall backwards. Of course, i am 100kg, and of course its the HS version, and of course its 18" so harder to maintain same torque as smaller wheels, so i am figuring it's good for more uniform bike lane riding with good view of whats ahead so no sharp breaks needed. But for precision riding with a lot of control and manouvers, in my opinion, the HS msuper 2 is totally not suitable.  By the way, this was discussed many times but just according to my measurements of the speed beeps and true max speed on msuper 2 HS - first alarm - 12 mph, 2nd alarm - 14 mph, third ( un deletable) alarm - 20mph

Hoping that the msuper 3 is "true" 1500wt ( there were some controversy in the specs Gotway has been communicating) . Also hoping that Gotway will come up with the MS version. Yes, i am a speed junkie, but if the MS could reach 20mph , i would compromise the extra 5mph of speed for a higher torque, and ability to brake sharp hands down!!!

[US69]

On 6. August 2016 at 7:33 PM, Kevin Grandon said:

To clarify I purchased the wheel directly from Jane Mo (who works at Gotway). I'm not sure how things are run at Gotway, but it seems that Linnea is unable to help customers who ordered from Jane for some reason. I did order direct from Gotway, but I would not recommend doing that due to the runaround they've been giving me. Buy from a reseller, then they can eat into their own profits if they get a lemon wheel if needed in return for a future customer.

It's a shame, they could've sent me a few dollars in parts, but instead they lost several wheel purchases from myself.

 

THAT sounds like a complete joke to me.....and good to know that it is better not to order from gotway directly!

The one seller can not support the other? Pffffhhhh....

[Jason McNeil]

59 minutes ago, Cloud said:

Hoping the msuper 3 is "true" 1500wt ( there were some controversy in the specs Gotway has been communicating)

Have you seen the extensive modifications @EUC Extreme makes to his Wheels?! I'd bet his Extreme GWs are capable of these four digit power ratings. 

It's [not so] funny to see some GW some dealers post EUC Extreme's videos for 'factory stock' unmodified wheels, as if they would have the slightest chance holding up to those riding conditions.

@EUC Extreme have you considered setting up a dyno rig to test out just how good (or bad) EUCs are? If anyone has the skills to take on this challenge, it would be you!

[OliverH]

On 6. August 2016 at 7:33 PM, Kevin Grandon said:

To clarify I purchased the wheel directly from Jane Mo (who works at Gotway). I'm not sure how things are run at Gotway, but it seems that Linnea is unable to help customers who ordered from Jane for some reason. I did order direct from Gotway, but I would not recommend doing that due to the runaround they've been giving me. Buy from a reseller, then they can eat into their own profits if they get a lemon wheel if needed in return for a future customer.

It's a shame, they could've sent me a few dollars in parts, but instead they lost several wheel purchases from myself.

 

Are Jane and Linnea acting as sales agents or did you got a bill from Kebye/ Gotway?

32 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

Have you seen the extensive modifications @EUC Extreme makes to his Wheels?! I'd bet his Extreme GWs are capable of these four digit power ratings. 

It's [not so] funny to see some GW some dealers post EUC Extreme's videos for 'factory stock' unmodified wheels, as if they would have the slightest chance holding up to those riding conditions.

@EUC Extreme have you considered setting up a dyno rig to test out just how good (or bad) EUCs are? If anyone has the skills to take on this challenge, it would be you!

Could be done on base of ISO 60034-1.

[EUC Extreme]

35 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

Have you seen the extensive modifications @EUC Extreme makes to his Wheels?! I'd bet his Extreme GWs are capable of these four digit power ratings. 

It's [not so] funny to see some GW some dealers post EUC Extreme's videos for 'factory stock' unmodified wheels, as if they would have the slightest chance holding up to those riding conditions.

@EUC Extreme have you considered setting up a dyno rig to test out just how good (or bad) EUCs are? If anyone has the skills to take on this challenge, it would be you!

It is quite clear that the engine is more effective than the previous one.
There is also double the number of FET allows for higher power usage.
You can be sure that I will take the V3 model the most out of driving.
Torture it as much as it takes
I'll test it all possible performance.
This is the very latest model, I still untested, but obviously tomorrow I get to do it.
Changes have been made previous to the circuit board.

Yes, I have been thinking about dyno to do, but I do not have time for that.

[Flash]

27 minutes ago, EUC Extreme said:

It is quite clear that the engine is tehokkampi than the previous one.
There is also double the number of FET allows for higher power usage.
You can be sure that I will take the V3 model the most out of driving.
Torture it as much as it takes
I'll test it all possible performance.
This is the very latest model, I still untested, but obviously tomorrow I get to do it.
Changes have been made previous to the circuit board.

Yes, I have been thinking about dyno to do, but I do not have time for that.

Found this

http://www.axon-cable.com/en/06_customerArea/03_toolbox/04_intensity/index.aspx

And the PCB copper is it strong enough ? , when I open my euc then i'm surprised the cables are strong enough to handle all that current

7000W motor

8000W motor

[EUC Extreme]

Remains to be seen whether there was sufficient circuit board copper sufficient.
But the cables I always change them, EUC that come with my own active use.
This will ensure maximum performance.
V3 version of the motor cables amounted to 14 AWG.
I put 10 AWG place.

[OliverH]

15 minutes ago, Bjorn H said:

Found this

http://www.axon-cable.com/en/06_customerArea/03_toolbox/04_intensity/index.aspx

And the PCB copper is it strong enough ? , when I open my euc then i'm surprised the cables are strong enough to handle all that current

7000W motor

The QS Motor has a net weight of 25 kg. Sounds like a lot copper inside. 150 mm tires is not intended to get a thin EUC

The kV factor will be to high to be used in an EUC. It's rated as IP54, sounds more realistic than in EUC business. 

[Flash]

42 minutes ago, EUC Extreme said:

Remains to be seen whether there was sufficient circuit board copper sufficient.
But the cables I always change them, EUC that come with my own active use.
This will ensure maximum performance.
V3 version of the motor cables amounted to 14 AWG.
I put 10 AWG place.

Found this , awg to mm converter    

awg to mm converter
and this
Gauge calculator

If this is right then 14AWG should handle up to 4000W

 

[Keith]

26 minutes ago, OliverH said:

The kV factor will be too high to be used in an EUC. 

They don't quote the kV as far as I can see they quote a range of no load RPM at 60-120V. if one assumes that 500RPM is at 60V that is a no load speed of only 25MPH (40kph) with a 17" wheel. So quite the reverse you would need to use well over 60V to get it going fast enough.

[OliverH]

7 minutes ago, Keith said:

They don't quote the kV as far as I can see they quote a range of no load RPM at 60-120V. if one assumes that 500RPM is at 60V that is a no load speed of only 25MPH (40kph) with a 17" wheel. So quite the reverse you would need to use well over 60V to get it going fast enough.

I've talked with them some time ago. At that time there was no intention to offer EUC capable motors.

[Flash]

46 minutes ago, Bjorn H said:

Found this , awg to mm converter    

awg to mm converter

 

10AWG = more than 10000W   6 mm2

[Flash]

1 hour ago, OliverH said:

The QS Motor has a net weight of 25 kg. Sounds like a lot copper inside. 150 mm tires is not intended to get a thin EUC

The kV factor will be to high to be used in an EUC. It's rated as IP54, sounds more realistic than in EUC business. 

 

22 minutes ago, OliverH said:

I've talked with them some time ago. At that time there was no intention to offer EUC capable motors.

KV factor

[Keith]

25 minutes ago, Bjorn H said:

10AWG = more than 10000W   6 mm2

You cannot state watts against wire gauge, it is current that impacts wire gauge, voltage is a "don't care".

which leads me to believe that the Gauge calculator above is seriously flawed, it states that 100Amps at 100V 0.5M long needs 14AWG. But 100Amps at 10V 0.5M needs 4AWG - that is a 1inch, 25mm cross section - rubbish.

My 120Amp max, 40-50 Amp average consumption during a flight heli controller is fitted with short10AWG they are a little above ambient temperature on landing, but do have a very good airflow!

[Flash]

1 hour ago, Keith said:

You cannot state watts against wire gauge, it is current that impacts wire gauge, voltage is a "don't care".

which leads me to believe that the Gauge calculator above is seriously flawed, it states that 100Amps at 100V 0.5M long needs 14AWG. But 100Amps at 10V 0.5M needs 4AWG - that is a 1inch, 25mm cross section - rubbish.

agree , 100 A * 10 V = 1000W , not so much

Maybe a home built 7000W euc would be something with higher voltage for this wheel , a monster euc for EUC Monster Extreme 

In tech spec it says Rated voltage:60V/72V/96V/120V(Optional) so even 67V should be fine ?   7000W 67V = 104 A max

 

 

[EUC Extreme]

The first test run carried out with the latest on the circuit board.
Just a wild big difference between the motor current.
There is no doubt say that the engine would have more torque.
Such hills which, V2 did not make it in any way, the V3 goes easily. Moreover, the very low speed.
This seems really promising.
Tiltback seems to work just fine.

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