el31415 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Anyone has traveled by plane with their Ninebot mini or minipro ? Going to travel from US to France and checked the TSA and FAA , the lithium in the battery is over the limit allowed. My only recourse is to remove the battery and ship it. or order a new battery and have it delivered in France What is the cost of a spare battery delivered to France ? Thank you EL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 They are about half the price of the mini - not cheap to buy. http://www.speedyfeet.uk/Ninebot-Mini-PRO-Battery-p/mini-pro-battery.htm You'd be better off buying a whole new Mini Pro, then selling it before you head home - depending on how long you're staying in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 39 minutes ago, Scully said: They are about half the price of the mini - not cheap to buy. http://www.speedyfeet.uk/Ninebot-Mini-PRO-Battery-p/mini-pro-battery.htm You'd be better off buying a whole new Mini Pro, then selling it before you head home - depending on how long you're staying in France. Waooo £324.95 = $426 for the battery that's crazy. I will just crack open the damn battery pack and remove the cell , than just buy new cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I am sorry but I don't think your idea is easy to do since the cells are soldered together and to the BMS. See pictures here: http://forum.urban360.com/index.php?/topic/720-lintérieur-de-la-batterie-dun-ninebot-xiaomi-mini/&do=findComment&comment=10141 Your best option, apart from Scully's tip (buy a unit and sell it), is to buy a Chinese battery replacement from Aliexpress and have it delivered to France. I guess that will set you back roughly 120 USD. And you will not be able to use the Ninebot app battery status/data as with the original battery. But on the other hand, buying cells isn't exactly free either ;-) Good luck and report back how you solved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Flying out at the end of August , will update post with solution , if I find any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 7/24/2016 at 1:14 AM, el31415 said: Flying out on end of August , will update post with solution , if I find any. https://sites.google.com/view/mini-j-world/mini-tech-s-pro/parts-repairs?authuser=0#h.teg9i49c5mfq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synap Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 you mentioned that TSA told u the wh is just over the limit? what is the limit for a lithium battery as a carry on item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 The general limit for Lithium batteries is 100Wh, and with special permission from the airlines up 160Wh. (Has to be agreed in advance.) The max amount is two battery packs of above capacities. Regulations and policies may differ between airline companies but most follow these limits. The Mini battery is 236Wh (Mini pro is 320Wh) so taking a Mini battery on an airplane is not possible. And they check thoroughly, beleive me. All checked luggage is also scanned, multiple times. A business opportunity could be to produce travel batteries of 100 Wh and sell them in lots of 2, ie 2x100Wh so people could travel (fly) with their Minis, and charge one battery while using the other. Or maybe the battery design could allow to connect two small (100 Wh) batteries together and attach them to the Mini together so we would get a 200Wh capacity. Traveling with a Mini would also require a good travel case in order to protect it during transportation. We all know how gently airport personnel handle our suitcases ?. The main question is how big the market / need is for this kind of travel use. The Mini weighs 12kg and takes up quite a lot of space so flying with it is definitely not for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synap Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 united airlines gives details on lithium batteries .. and gives max 300wh for lithium batteries.. see: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/specialneeds/disabilities/custwheelchair.aspx It may also help that the segway batteries are UL 2272 certified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 It seems the 300Wh limit is for wheelchairs and other devices for people with disabilities. In fact, our beloved Ninebot Minis are not allowed onboard at all ?: "Notice regarding hoverboards Please note that in the interest of safety for our customers and employees, we do not accept hoverboards as checked or carry-on baggage." https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/default.aspx?Mobile=1&uamobile=1 Guidelines for electronic equipment in general : https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/dangerous.aspx?Mobile=1 Link to the IATA (International Air Transport Association) Lithium Battery Guidance Document: https://www.icra2016.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/04/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2016-en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synap Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 10 hours ago, ATH said: It seems the 300Wh limit is for wheelchairs and other devices for people with disabilities. In fact, our beloved Ninebot Minis are not allowed onboard at all ?: "Notice regarding hoverboards Please note that in the interest of safety for our customers and employees, we do not accept hoverboards as checked or carry-on baggage." https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/default.aspx?Mobile=1&uamobile=1 Guidelines for electronic equipment in general : https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/dangerous.aspx?Mobile=1 Link to the IATA (International Air Transport Association) Lithium Battery Guidance Document: https://www.icra2016.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/04/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2016-en.pdf fyi. segway minipro is UL 2272 certified and not a hoverboard. see rep for segway discussing this last month on New Screen Savers show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Well I don't want to argue with you, but in the minds of airlines, airport security and others, balancing devices of all kinds are very often referred to as "hoverboards". Google it and you'll find: "... has issued the first safety certification to the UL 2272 safety requirements for electrical systems of self-balancing scooters (aka hoverboards)... " Even if a hoverboard or other self balancing device as a Ninebot Mini has been UL 2272 certified, it does not automatically grant users to bring them them on airplanes. The limit for maximum Wh still applies, and the Ninebot Mini and Mini Pro are way over that limit. So will you be able to fly with it - the simple answer is NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo33A Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Im agree with ATH because he have experienced all possibilities for bringue or import mini battery after his travel in China where airport security keep his mini battery Please have a look to the Last iata 2016 http://mini-j.jimdo.com/home/mini-technical/battery/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo33A Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 And its the same situation for EUC unfortunetly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 I took the chance and just put the battery in my carry on with my computer and all my other electronic devices, (power adapter , cables ) and the dismantled mini in my checked luggage. And ... passed no problem no question. As backup plan I had a FedEx label and packaging with me in case I was refused at the security, I was planning to gamble at shipping the battery. in Summary ... Airport security is a big "farce" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synap Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 12 hours ago, el31415 said: I took the chance and just put the battery in my carry on with my computer and all my other electronic devices, (power adapter , cables ) and the dismantled mini in my checked luggage. And ... passed no problem no question. As backup plan I had a FedEx label and packaging with me in case I was refused at the security, I was planning to gamble at shipping the battery. in Summary ... Airport security is a big "farce" That's great! can u share what airline airport u had this experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Starship Space Interuniverse Cosmos port ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 18 hours ago, el31415 said: I took the chance and just put the battery in my carry on with my computer and all my other electronic devices, (power adapter , cables ) and the dismantled mini in my checked luggage. And ... passed no problem no question. As backup plan I had a FedEx label and packaging with me in case I was refused at the security, I was planning to gamble at shipping the battery. in Summary ... Airport security is a big "farce" Congrats! I am happy you made it to France with your Ninebot. Hope you get some good mileage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 10 hours ago, Synap said: That's great! can u share what airline airport u had this experience? LAX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 hours ago, ATH said: Congrats! I am happy you made it to France with your Ninebot. Hope you get some good mileage ? It is a gift for my nephew , bought it on Amazon at the "fire sale" only to see the price reduced on amazon and amazon Fance to the same price as the so called fire sale rice. If I knew , I would have just ordered on Amazon.fr and avoided all these worries. and the amazon.fr comes with a 2 years euro warranty vs 6 month usa warranty on battery ...and 1 year electronic part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synap Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 10 hours ago, el31415 said: LAX was that domestic or international flight? which airline? are you based in france or USA? FYI, Sam's Club now selling them too ($799) http://www.samsclub.com/sams/segway-mini-pro-segway-mini-pro/prod20293523.ip .. and offer 3 year square trade warrantee for additional 79. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATH Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 On 22 augusti 2016 at 5:27 AM, el31415 said: It is a gift for my nephew , bought it on Amazon at the "fire sale" only to see the price reduced on amazon and amazon Fance to the same price as the so called fire sale rice. If I knew , I would have just ordered on Amazon.fr and avoided all these worries. and the amazon.fr comes with a 2 years euro warranty vs 6 month usa warranty on battery ...and 1 year electronic part. Well you never know beforehand, right? Just be happy that they did not confiscate you pack at airport security. I was in China this spring and they checked every battery for capacity in the carry on luggage, even power banks for phones. So I never dared to bring a Mini battery through airport security since I did not want to risk confiscation. (Considered as dangerous goods). Instead I tried to ship two battery packs out of China with normal postal service and couriers (DHL, UPS etc). None of them would ship my package since Lithium Battery shipment require proper documentation that only a producer or distributor/reseller would have access to. In the end I managed to find a forwarder on Aliexpress that accepted to ship my batteries. You got off easy :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 11 hours ago, ATH said: Well you never know beforehand, right? Just be happy that they did not confiscate you pack at airport security..... I had the confiscation covered , I had a pre printed fedex shipping label , and went way early to check in with plenty of time if needed to exit .in the event of any trouble and if I couldn't talk my way through, was going to exit and just ship it fedex as electronic parts and not mention any battery. but luckily they let it pass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo33A Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 On 23/08/2016 at 10:39 PM, ATH said: them would ship my package since Lithium Battery shipment require proper documentation that only a producer or distributor/reseller would have access to. @ATH Do you think are these officials documents (FCC NINEBOT MINI PRO BATTERY) with IATA and US ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el31415 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 You can call it whatever you want , the mini pro battery is over the allowed limit in lithium and Wh. and cannot travel in passenger airplane . Unless allowed in cabin by the airline(good luck with that) I did a lot of research and the only way to "transport " overseas is by sneaking it in PERIOD. Or by grounds with the proper packaging and labeling. if I knew before hand, I would have never bought it in the USA but just order it on Amazon.fr and have it delivered directly to my nephew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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