is inmotion v11y easy to overpower?

[Aztek]

Hi, Adam (wrongway) mentioned for v11 that he doesn't need pads on it, as it is easily overpowered.

Somebody, having v11y, could you share, is this wheel prone to overleaning?

[onewheelkoregro]

1 hour ago, Aztek said:

Hi, Adam (wrongway) mentioned for v11 that he doesn't need pads on it, as it is easily overpowered.

Somebody, having v11y, could you share, is this wheel prone to overleaning?

it maxes out at 37 mph or 60 km h and it is only 84 volts. It is a bit outdated for 2024. I would get something at least 100 V tbh. Maybe get a T4 pro. Similar top speed. Better suspension and I believe it is cheaper even with the current sale. You can get a brand new t4 pro for around $1500

[Aztek]

I have a bg master. T4 is same construction. Now I'm looking for a different wheel.

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[UniVehje]

You need pads if you really want to do extreme riding or superman leans. Normal commuting doesn't require pads. Also, you don't need more volts if you plan to ride at speeds V11Y is designed for. There's nothing particular that would make it more prone to overleans than any other similar wheels. It's just that people like Adam have gotten used to performance wheels and really push them. If they'd ride the same way and with pads on V11Y, it would of course be easy to over power. But if you don't put pads on it, you'd probably not be able to over lean it. You'd have to try real hard and use pads for that. But if you take it to over 45 km/h, it starts to be at the upper end of that voltage capability and then it gets easier to over lean. 84V wheels usually have top speed limited to 45-50 km/h with some safety margin. On Gotways 84V wheels didn't have forced speed limit and people took them to 65+ km/h but that's risky. 

I really recommend you to test it before buying. I used to ride a V11 and liked it very much. I've since had S22 and Lynx and recently tried a V11 again and it felt small. If you are used to a Master, you might like something else better. But for commuting the V11Y would be really handy as it's smaller and lighter and still have good enough suspension to make the ride a bit smoother. Just don't expect the performance of a Master. 

Also, I strongly believe that tire/rim size is a personal choice and a wheel with different size rim (like T4) is usually not a good alternative. 

[Aztek]

28 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

But if you take it to over 45 km/h, it starts to be at the upper end of that voltage capability and then it gets easier to over lean.

I mean overlean it while riding slow. I.e. is it underpowered so if you push it while riding with 10 km/h it will throw you on your face with a mere beep?

That's what happens with ks 16xs for example - years ago with my first wheel I pushed it while just touching a 5 cm curb and instead of going over it with the euc, I went flying and face down on the ground.

V11y has different motor and peak power of 7000 watts and presumably much more torque, so, is one running the risk of overleaning it if not pushing while riding at max speed?

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[UniVehje]

2 hours ago, Aztek said:

I mean overlean it while riding slow. I.e. is it underpowered so if you push it while riding with 10 km/h it will throw you on your face with a mere beep?

That's what happens with ks 16xs for example - years ago with my first wheel I pushed it while just touching a 5 cm curb and instead of going over it with the euc, I went flying and face down on the ground.

V11y has different motor and peak power of 7000 watts and presumably much more torque, so, is one running the risk of overleaning it if not pushing while riding at max speed?

V11Y as also double the battery. Bigger battery has lower chance of voltage sag, which causes the over lean at low speed demanding tasks. But V11 never had a reputation of throwing people on their face. I really don't think it's any different from any other 1500-1600 Wh 84V wheels like 18XL, OG MSX, etc. 

[Aztek]

11 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

V11Y as also double the battery. Bigger battery has lower chance of voltage sag, which causes the over lean at low speed demanding tasks. But V11 never had a reputation of throwing people on their face. I really don't think it's any different from any other 1500-1600 Wh 84V wheels like 18XL, OG MSX, etc. 

That's what i thought, but wanted someone with real experience with the wheel to confirm.

[UniVehje]

For what it's worth, I rode my V11 pretty heavily. Loved to do off-road also and regularly rode at around 40 km/h. I never felt the need to put pads on it, though. In my use I never experienced even a hint of over lean. But of course it's definitely easier to achieve over lean on V11 than my Lynx, if I really wanted to (with pads on it).

[Funky]

3 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

For what it's worth, I rode my V11 pretty heavily. Loved to do off-road also and regularly rode at around 40 km/h. I never felt the need to put pads on it, though. In my use I never experienced even a hint of over lean. But of course it's definitely easier to achieve over lean on V11 than my Lynx, if I really wanted to (with pads on it).

May i ask for the mentioned riders weight?  Also have you tried pushing V11 up stairs from backside? How easy was that? Suspension didn't get in the way of doing that? Or did you only carry it? Talking about regular apartment staircases.. (I imagine with knobby tire it would go up stairs much easier.)

[Funky]

I have heard that Inmotion wheels boards can easily burn.. If they get any resistance in the way while moving forwards.

Like wheel nose pushed against wall, while rider being on it and leaning little bit forwards himself.

[Aztek]

17 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

For what it's worth, I rode my V11 pretty heavily. Loved to do off-road also and regularly rode at around 40 km/h. I never felt the need to put pads on it, though. In my use I never experienced even a hint of over lean. But of course it's definitely easier to achieve over lean on V11 than my Lynx, if I really wanted to (with pads on it).

This is useful information, thank you!

 

7 minutes ago, Funky said:

imagine with knobby tire it would go up stairs much easier

Seems that the clearance of v11y is so small that knobby tire can’t be fitted. 

And the tire change is so hard that you do not want to do it just for the sport.

I prefer street tires anyways. The only concern is will a street tire let me climb big curbs (like 20cm high). And if yes, with a jump (flypads) or with the wheel climbing it.

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[UniVehje]

8 minutes ago, Aztek said:

Seems that the clearance of v11y is so small that knobby tire can’t be fitted. 

And the tire change is so hard that you do not want to do it just for the sport.

@mrelwood changes tires to his V11 twice a year and uses studded knobby in winters. The largest knobbies don't fit (e.g. stock S22 tire), but there are those that fit. During summers he uses K66 on it. Tire change is not any different than on any other wheel from that era. There's just a bit more screws to unscrew and the board needs to be opened to detach the motor cables. Maybe 5-10 minutes more work than e.g. 18XL. All of them require disassembly to get the motor out. Most of the work is in getting the tire on the rim. 

BTW, someone mentioned voltage. Voltage shouldn't itself reduce risk of over lean on low speeds. Higher voltage can allow different motor to be used at same speeds but otherwise it only helps to achieve higher RPM before 0 torque. For example the Falcon is a 100V wheel but having smaller rim and battery, I would guess it's easier to over lean than V11. 

[Aztek]

5 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

For example the Falcon is a 100V wheel but having smaller rim and battery, I would guess it's easier to over lean than V11. 

Have you been overcoming big curbs with your v11? How - jumping with the wheel or climbing them?

 

 

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[UniVehje]

2 minutes ago, Aztek said:

Have you been overcoming big curbs with your v11? How - jumping with the wheel or climbing them?

 

 

I don't really remember anymore. I sold it in 2021. I probably did some curb climbs when needed. Probably had more similar situations on trails, climbing over roots and stones. 

[Aztek]

1 minute ago, UniVehje said:

I don't really remember anymore. I sold it in 2021. I probably did some curb climbs when needed. Probably had more similar situations on trails, climbing over roots and stones. 

You should have… One remembers well falling on their nose

[Funky]

45 minutes ago, Aztek said:

Seems that the clearance of v11y is so small that knobby tire can’t be fitted. 

And the tire change is so hard that you do not want to do it just for the sport.

I prefer street tires anyways. The only concern is will a street tire let me climb big curbs (like 20cm high). And if yes, with a jump (flypads) or with the wheel climbing it.

I got K66 80/80-14 fitted on my 18xl. (Tire sides cut lil bit.) Which has 2.5" clearance. V11 has real 3" clearance = more tire options.. I bet you can easily fit K66 80/90 on it. (Without cutting tire sides.) 

Heidenau K42 also is only about 5mm bigger than K66 in height. Bigger knobs. (I wanted to stud it for winter.. But they don't sell it around my area.)

You gonna want to waterproof the motor anyways.. So you will be taking motor out. Same time do tire change.

Edited November 1 by Funky

[litewave]

2 hours ago, Aztek said:

Seems that the clearance of v11y is so small that knobby tire can’t be fitted. 

And the tire change is so hard that you do not want to do it just for the sport.

Exactly. There have been YT reviews (MadPack comes to mind) discussing the poor tire clearance and the unsuitability of the wheel for muddy trails.

The wheel appears to be a painful nightmare to disassemble, which is necessary for tire changes. 

It's too bad since the V11Y has a lot going for it. But we all know that maintenance and teardown on every wheel is inevitable.

[Funky]

3 hours ago, litewave said:

Exactly. There have been YT reviews (MadPack comes to mind) discussing the poor tire clearance and the unsuitability of the wheel for muddy trails.

The wheel appears to be a painful nightmare to disassemble, which is necessary for tire changes. 

It's too bad since the V11Y has a lot going for it. But we all know that maintenance and teardown on every wheel is inevitable.

I recently have watched V11Y tire change videos.. The disassemble isn't that worse than my 18xl. Really.. Just few more screws thanks to having suspension. But those screws are very easy to access. Also it doesn't need any wires to be run, it simply slides out. < Which is a plus in my book.

That's coming from guy who looks at teardown/disassembly videos first.. Before choosing, if wheel is any good. In V11Y you need to remember where each screw go. Pedal/Saddle and tree different screws for outer shell. Easy.

 

On old V11 it was worse - to get inside. On Y model and it's new board - it's much easier/better.

Edited November 1 by Funky

[Aztek]

8 minutes ago, Funky said:

I recently have watched V11Y tire change videos.. The disassemble isn't that worse than my 18xl. Really.. Just few more screws thanks to having suspension. But those screws are very easy to access. Also it doesn't need any wires to be run, it simply slides out. < Which is a plus in my book.

That's coming from guy who looks at teardown/disassembly videos first.. Before choosing, if wheel is any good. In V11Y you need to remember where each screw go. Pedal/Saddle and tree different screws for outer shell. Easy.

 

On old V11 it was worse - to get inside. On Y model and it's new board - it's much easier/better.

Are we buying v11y finally, @Funky? 😂

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[Funky]

6 minutes ago, Aztek said:

Are we buying one v11y finally, @Funky? 😂

IDK.. Last week i started to watch V12Pro and V11Y videos... 5kg extra isn't that much. BUT! I really wanted something lighter than my 26kg 18xl.  

I even started to push my 18xl up stairs with turned off lift switch - to test how easy heavier wheel would go up stairs - pretty easy.

I still would need to carry new wheel in work place for about ~100 meters. Doesn't sound far, but my arm (shoulder) already feel like it's getting pulled out carrying 26kg. It will be worse at 31/32kg... (M/C tire + better pedals on NEW wheel.)

Edited November 1 by Funky

[Aztek]

3 minutes ago, Funky said:

need to carry new wheel in work place for about ~100 meters. Doesn't sound far, but my arms (shoulder) already feel like it's getting pulled out carrying 26kg. It will be worse at 31/32kg...

It actually is quite far to carry 30 kgs. Anything over 10 kg  is a nuisance to carry regularly 100 meters.

Why carry it and not rolling?

[Funky]

13 minutes ago, Aztek said:

It actually is quite far to carry 30 kgs. Anything over 10 kg  is a nuisance to carry regularly 100 meters.

Why carry it and not rolling?

I work in metal shop. There are few sharp metal cuts/shavings on ground. I think i would get flat pretty fast. (Ground isn't full of them.. It takes only one small needle like metal cut to get flat.)

If wheel had airless/solid tire - i would push it then. I don't even know how easy would be to get flat on M/C tire.. I do use slime, but how good it will be - idk. If i park my wheel when it gets punctured. 

 

That's why i mainly want lighter wheel.. Otherwise i would get - you know what.. One of those 40kg wheels. For my daily 5km ride.  

 

Edited November 1 by Funky

[Aztek]

There must be some carts at your work. Push it in one of these for the last 100 m or construct some kind of harness to carry it?

Edited November 1 by Aztek

[UniVehje]

Older V11 tire change tutorial if you want to know what this famously horrible process is like. There are now easier models, like V14, but it’s not anything unimaginable. And maybe the Y model is better. 

 

[Funky]

13 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

Older V11 tire change tutorial if you want to know what this famously horrible process is like. There are now easier models, like V14, but it’s not anything unimaginable. And maybe the Y model is better. 

 

Aside of needing of unscrewing top layer of board - it's the same. (New raptor Y board  - motor wire connectors are right there. Easy to access.)

15 minutes ago, Aztek said:

There must be some carts at your work. Push it in one if these for te last 100 m or construct some kind of harness to carry it?

There is.. It's easier/faster to carry the dam thing.  

Edited November 1 by Funky