I'm lost - need help

[linzeestomp]

UPDATE

I am now considering the Fully Loaded T4 Pro from ClarkPads.com (ClarkPads FULLY LOADED Begode T4 Pro – clarkpads)
and the S16 Pro from ewheels.com (King Song S16 PRO, 1,480Wh Battery/3,000W Motor (6KW Peak) (ewheels.com))

Seems I made a mistake. I was never looking at the S22 Pro, I was looking at the S22 which has the shit sliders and I don't want to deal with that so that's a no go anymore.
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I'm trying to figure out which EUC I would like to get as my first.

Watched several YouTube videos and the KingSong S22 Pro is mentioned as being stable, safe, and beginner friendly.

I am curious on this forums thoughts. Everyone over at reddit keeps suggesting I spend more money (started at V11, was told to get a T4, asked about the T4 Pro, was told to get a master v4, asked a out the master v4, was told to get a Sherman s?!)

I just want to get something I can grow into and not be bored with in 3-6 months while also not spending the equivalent of a down payment on a car for.

I'm primarily going to be riding this thing in the city, commuting 20 miles to and from work, want to occasionally ride in the dirt, have suspension for comfort purposes, water resistance would be nice (but not a MUST have), I might have to take it into a bus/train occasionally, I like to go fast (I have a scooter that I go 40mph+ on frequently but this is 100% negotiable and would be ok maxing out around 30-35mph give or take a couple mph), durability/quality build is important to me (I don't want to have to worry about exposed batteries or plastic battery casings), I'm going to be dropping this obviously since I am new and would like to avoid losing up to $2,200 because I am learning and drop it going at low speeds in grass....

Can y'all be more helpful than reddit?

Edited August 16 by linzeestomp
Update based on my mistake of thinking I could get an S22 Pro for $2,200

[on one]

1 hour ago, linzeestomp said:

I just want to get something I can grow into and not be bored with in 3-6 months while also not spending the equivalent of a down payment on a car for.

I have been riding my King Song 14D for like 4 years and I'm not bored yet. I'm just learning to do spins, and I get so dizzy sometimes that I completely forget how to ride. Try to enjoy being lost, it can be a fun process finding your way. Have you thought about King Song S16 Pro?

[on one]

p.s. Reddit definitely is not what it used to be back in the day when Aaron Swartz started it. I'm convinced there is some kind of disinfo bot or agent work going on to make information and culture seem weird, so it's not really even Reddit's fault.

[techyiam]

47 minutes ago, on one said:

Have you thought about King Song S16 Pro?

+1.

Personally, I belong to the camp that the first wheel should be a smaller, lighter wheel.

However, if you want to start bigger, I would also recommend the S16 Pro.

I own an S22, and I spend a lot of time and effort to make it ride better.

Out of the box, the S16 Pro, is already a very nice riding wheel.

For me, the S16 Pro is more responsive and easier to ride. Additionally, I find myself riding at a quicker pace on the S16 Pro. I am strictly a pavement rider, and I ride to get around town.

The S16 Pro is a more refined build than the S22. The S16 Pro is basically an S22 with the proper fixes in place right from the factory, but scaled down to an 84V, 16" wheel, at a really good price.

Even though the S16 Pro is a 16" wheel, it is still stable at 50 km/h speeds. For reference, as much as I like the V12 (HS), my opinion is that the S16 Pro is a better wheel, and significantly more stable than the V12. Also, like the S22, the S16 Pro doesn't wobble. My S16 Pro with a Chao Yang H626 at low tire pressure is more stable than my S22 with the stock tire at 50-ish km/h speeds. My S22 became more stable than my S16 Pro after I put on a 2.75-14 Shinko 244 tire at low tire pressure. 

The S16 Pro also has a smart BMS, and good waterproofing. 

 

Edited August 15 by techyiam

[MacGyverCanada]

• I'm primarily going to be riding this thing in the city
  • OK lots of options there...
• commuting 20 miles to and from work
  • So you'll want 50+ miles of real range for some safety margin & space for battery degradation.
• to occasionally ride in the dirt
  • So probably a 3" wide tire, hybrid or knobby
• have suspension for comfort purposes,
  • Now we're narowing down the options...
• water resistance would be nice
  • Now we're really narrowing down the options...
•  I might have to take it into a bus/train occasionally
  • So... lightweight maybe?  Light enough to carry up the step up onto the bus.
• I like to go fast (I have a scooter that I go 40mph+ on frequently)
  • Uh huh that narrows down the list even more... 
• durability/quality build is important to me (I don't want to have to worry about exposed batteries or plastic battery casings), I'm going to be dropping this obviously since I am new and would like to avoid losing up to $2,200 because I am learning and drop it going at low speeds in grass
  • With this durability/materials and the rest of the items on your shopping list you might be paying more than $2,200...

Falcon doesn't have enough range.  Maybe the S16 Pro but it can't hit your desired top speed.  Perhaps a Patton or Lynx; these check nearly all boxes but they're expensive and heavy.  Blitz might be a good option; a smidge lighter but still expensive.  S22 is looking like an OK option but not waterproof.  Honestly, I'd wait a bit and see what the new Inmotion wheels look like before committing.

Edited August 15 by MacGyverCanada

[techyiam]

22 minutes ago, MacGyverCanada said:

Maybe the S16 Pro but it can't hit your desired top speed.

Before I first stepped on an euc, I also wanted to be able to go 40+ mph. I come from a motorcycle background. But then reality set in. I still don't cruise at 40+ mph.

This will be his first wheel. 

[MacGyverCanada]

1 minute ago, techyiam said:

Before I first stepped on an euc, I also wanted to be able to go 40+ mph. I come from a motorcycle background. But then reality set in. I still don't cruise at 40+ mph.

This will be his first wheel. 

Yep anything past 35 mph makes my brain say "danger!"

S16 Pro seems like the most sensible option that's currently out there.

Edited August 15 by MacGyverCanada

[Esash]

1 hour ago, MacGyverCanada said:

Yep anything past 35 mph makes my brain say "danger!"

S16 Pro seems like the most sensible option that's currently out there.

 

4 hours ago, linzeestomp said:

I'm trying to figure out which EUC I would like to get as my first.

Watched several YouTube videos and the KingSong S22 Pro is mentioned as being stable, safe, and beginner friendly.

I am curious on this forums thoughts. Everyone over at reddit keeps suggesting I spend more money (started at V11, was told to get a T4, asked about the T4 Pro, was told to get a master v4, asked a out the master v4, was told to get a Sherman s?!)

I just want to get something I can grow into and not be bored with in 3-6 months while also not spending the equivalent of a down payment on a car for.

I'm primarily going to be riding this thing in the city, commuting 20 miles to and from work, want to occasionally ride in the dirt, have suspension for comfort purposes, water resistance would be nice, I might have to take it into a bus/train occasionally, I like to go fast (I have a scooter that I go 40mph+ on frequently), durability/quality build is important to me (I don't want to have to worry about exposed batteries or plastic battery casings), I'm going to be dropping this obviously since I am new and would like to avoid losing up to $2,200 because I am learning and drop it going at low speeds in grass....

Can y'all be more helpful than reddit?

I'm guessing the Commander Mini would also fit the bill, and it has a much bigger battery so OP wouldn't have to either charge at work or ride at reduced kingsong speed on his way home.

Somebody else can chime in on the water resistance of the Commander Mini.

Commander Mini would be a far superior wheel performance wise, probably, but it will weigh like 20+ pounds more than the Kingsong S16 so the S16 would be much much better for taking on the bus and such.

 

[linzeestomp]

3 hours ago, on one said:

I have been riding my King Song 14D for like 4 years and I'm not bored yet. I'm just learning to do spins, and I get so dizzy sometimes that I completely forget how to ride. Try to enjoy being lost, it can be a fun process finding your way. Have you thought about King Song S16 Pro?

I actually originally asked about this to Reddit and was told the equivalent of "it's made of plastic and and doesn't have after market parts get a Master instead".

[linzeestomp]

3 hours ago, on one said:

p.s. Reddit definitely is not what it used to be back in the day when Aaron Swartz started it. I'm convinced there is some kind of disinfo bot or agent work going on to make information and culture seem weird, so it's not really even Reddit's fault.

Ok, I'm glad it's not just me... It feels so different from 10 years ago - I just assumed it was me getting older but def some of those forums dont feel as helpful as they use to and def feels like misinfo is spread a lot

[linzeestomp]

3 hours ago, techyiam said:

+1.

Personally, I belong to the camp that the first wheel should be a smaller, lighter wheel.

However, if you want to start bigger, I would also recommend the S16 Pro.

I own an S22, and I spend a lot of time and effort to make it ride better.

Out of the box, the S16 Pro, is already a very nice riding wheel.

For me, the S16 Pro is more responsive and easier to ride. Additionally, I find myself riding at a quicker pace on the S16 Pro. I am strictly a pavement rider, and I ride to get around town.

The S16 Pro is a more refined build than the S22. The S16 Pro is basically an S22 with the proper fixes in place right from the factory, but scaled down to an 84V, 16" wheel, at a really good price.

Even though the S16 Pro is a 16" wheel, it is still stable at 50 km/h speeds. For reference, as much as I like the V12 (HS), my opinion is that the S16 Pro is a better wheel, and significantly more stable than the V12. Also, like the S22, the S16 Pro doesn't wobble. My S16 Pro with a Chao Yang H626 at low tire pressure is more stable than my S22 with the stock tire at 50-ish km/h speeds. My S22 became more stable than my S16 Pro after I put on a 2.75-14 Shinko 244 tire at low tire pressure. 

The S16 Pro also has a smart BMS, and good waterproofing. 

 

Man I should came here first - I thought the S16 Pro would be a good wheel but no no I apparently need to spend upwards of $4,000 /sarcasm 9.9

Thank you for your reply!!!

[linzeestomp]

2 hours ago, MacGyverCanada said:

• I'm primarily going to be riding this thing in the city
  • OK lots of options there...
• commuting 20 miles to and from work
  • So you'll want 50+ miles of real range for some safety margin & space for battery degradation.
• to occasionally ride in the dirt
  • So probably a 3" wide tire, hybrid or knobby
• have suspension for comfort purposes,
  • Now we're narowing down the options...
• water resistance would be nice
  • Now we're really narrowing down the options...
•  I might have to take it into a bus/train occasionally
  • So... lightweight maybe?  Light enough to carry up the step up onto the bus.
• I like to go fast (I have a scooter that I go 40mph+ on frequently)
  • Uh huh that narrows down the list even more... 
• durability/quality build is important to me (I don't want to have to worry about exposed batteries or plastic battery casings), I'm going to be dropping this obviously since I am new and would like to avoid losing up to $2,200 because I am learning and drop it going at low speeds in grass
  • With this durability/materials and the rest of the items on your shopping list you might be paying more than $2,200...

Falcon doesn't have enough range.  Maybe the S16 Pro but it can't hit your desired top speed.  Perhaps a Patton or Lynx; these check nearly all boxes but they're expensive and heavy.  Blitz might be a good option; a smidge lighter but still expensive.  S22 is looking like an OK option but not waterproof.  Honestly, I'd wait a bit and see what the new Inmotion wheels look like before committing.

I would absolutely be ok with a cruise speed between 30-40mph. As my first wheel I honestly probably shouldn't be going much faster than 30, the extra speed is just to allow for anticipated growth in confidence. Would this make the S16 Pro a better choice at that point?

 

 

[Asphalt]

If possible try to learn on someone else's lightweight wheel (V5f, V8x, 14D, 16S), or buy a cheap used one.
After you've outgrown it, buy the wheel that you need for your daily use.

With the rapid rate of wheel releases, by the time you've outgrown your training wheel, there will be an even better wheel than the S16 Pro. Or at least a more reliable batch available.

[kintips]

2 minutes ago, linzeestomp said:

Man I should came here first - I thought the S16 Pro would be a good wheel but no no I apparently need to spend upwards of $4,000 /sarcasm 9.9

Thank you for your reply!!!

Yes, Take it from me i owned ALOT of WHEELS (and the above people, they are ALL right about it), you really don't get bored, and once you realize how crazy it would be to go 40mph+ you'll be like ahh no, just remember a simple pot hole could be an issue.  i've fallen many times when i was learning (0 RPM falls too with heavy weight wheels) in the beginning bruised shins and all, imagine if you fell at 40+mph.

Also big thing is your weight as well, if you're light like me, something like a 110lbs wheel would be crazy hard to control if you're going fast.

[linzeestomp]

4 minutes ago, kintips said:

Yes, Take it from me i owned ALOT of WHEELS (and the above people, they are ALL right about it), you really don't get bored, and once you realize how crazy it would be to go 40mph+ you'll be like ahh no, just remember a simple pot hole could be an issue.  i've fallen many times when i was learning (0 RPM falls too with heavy weight wheels) in the beginning bruised shins and all, imagine if you fell at 40+mph.

Also big thing is your weight as well, if you're light like me, something like a 110lbs wheel would be crazy hard to control if you're going fast.

I currently weigh 220lbm but am planning on shedding 30ish lbm's over the next 6 months. This was another reason I was told to get a 20" tired because allegedly 220lbm is too heavy for a T4 or an S16.

[meepmeepmayer]

The S16 Pro is really hard to beat as a recommendation for nearly any new rider. Not crazy expensive, not crazy heavy, just overall really nice and competent. I'm also one of those guys who think a smaller "16 inch" tire is better to learn on and might provide a more fun experience, which is important for new riders to stick around.

I think it's time for you to make a gut decision (always trust your gut which EUC is the one for you!). I see three options:

• "low" price and a great choice: S16 Pro as the pretty obvious contender, or mayyyyybe a T4 Pro/Max if range really is your only concern about the S16 Pro (otherwise it's just much nicer)
• "a little more": Maybe you would fancy some other 16 incher that is a bit more powerful (and expensive and heavy) and has more battery = range: Commander Mini, V14, Extreme, Patton - or maybe even a Blitz (it's a 20 incher though, and I'm not sure what the price is) or the S22 Pro (also a 20 incher, but why not -  still nice, and not as expensive)
• YOLO $4000 pick your top wheel of choice, why not. The Lynx is beloved for a reason. Etc.

Edited August 15 by meepmeepmayer

[linzeestomp]

6 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

The S16 Pro is really hard to beat as a recommendation for nearly any new rider. Not crazy expensive, not crazy heavy, just overall really nice and competent and does pretty much everything well enough. I'm also one of those guys who think a smaller "16 inch" tire is better to learn on and might provide a more fun experience, which is important for new riders to stick around.

I think it's time for you to make a gut decision (always trust your gut which EUC is the one for you!). I see three options:

• "low" price: S16 Pro as the pretty obvious contender, or mayyyyybe a T4 Pro/Max if range really is your only concern about the S16 Pro (otherwise it's just much nicer)
• "a little more": Maybe you would fancy some other 16 incher that is a bit more powerful (and expensive and heavy) and has more battery = range: Commander Mini, V14, Extreme, Patton - or maybe even a Blitz (it's a 20 incher though, and I'm not sure what the price is) or the S22 Pro (also a 20 incher, but why not -  still nice, and not as expensive)
• YOLO $4000 pick your top wheel of choice, why not. The Lynx is beloved for a reason. Etc.

My gut says S16 Pro or S22 Pro. I've read a lot of stuff reporting quality / durability issues with Begode and it makes me nervous with those plastic battery cases so exposed. Now to figure if I wanna spend $2,000 or $2,200... The water resistance rating on the S16 Pro may very well be the deciding factor for me hmmmmm

Edited August 15 by linzeestomp

[meepmeepmayer]

Don't be afraid of quality issues. Any wheel choice nowadays is great, you just have to choose between all-good options. People are just parroting old generalities (e.g. there are no more plastic battery cases nowadays, everyone uses metal) instead of specific, current concerns. Just look at any current wheel, assume it is good (it will be), and see which one you like the most.

As enticing as the S16 Pro is, if the S22 Pro is only $200 more that is seriously tempting! The battery is notably bigger, and it does have a bit more performance. But as someone above said, the S16 is a generation nicer in its overall build. I wouldn't know which to choose (I know this is not exactly helpful).

Well, you can't go wrong with either. (Or any other current wheel.)

[MacGyverCanada]

1 hour ago, linzeestomp said:

I've read a lot of stuff reporting quality / durability issues with Begode

That seems to be a thing of the past.  None of the manufacturers are having any egregious quality issues at the moment.

Good advice above in that you will likely keep yout first wheel (at least for a while) even if/when you upgrade to something bigger; sometimes you just need a carton of milk from the store so you'll grab the lightweight wheel.  With that in mind... the S16 is lighter, has much better waterproofing, and includes Smart BMS and these features should help it to last longer.  On the other hand, S22 suspension can be upgraded so that you can have a more capable dirt jump wheel (if you're into that).  Personally, I would lean toward the S16 given the choice but I tend to be conservative with my purchases.

[on one]

7 hours ago, techyiam said:

Before I first stepped on an euc, I also wanted to be able to go 40+ mph. I come from a motorcycle background. But then reality set in. I still don't cruise at 40+ mph.

Yeah 40 mph is crazy fast on an electric unicycle I get speed euphoria around 20 to 23 miles an hour that’s plenty for me.

[linzeestomp]

8 minutes ago, on one said:

Yeah 40 mph is crazy fast on an electric unicycle I get speed euphoria around 20 to 23 miles an hour that’s plenty for me.

When I'm pushing 50 on my scooter all I can think is "I am speed...but pretty soon I might be dead"

[on one]

Personally for me if I was going to buy a wheel I would really look hard at the S 22 Pro because it’s a mature wheel now and it could really be a lot of fun on the endo.

[Esash]

4 hours ago, linzeestomp said:

My gut says S16 Pro or S22 Pro. I've read a lot of stuff reporting quality / durability issues with Begode and it makes me nervous with those plastic battery cases so exposed. Now to figure if I wanna spend $2,000 or $2,200... The water resistance rating on the S16 Pro may very well be the deciding factor for me hmmmmm

The T4 Pro is only $1400 from certain dealers. The EUC Underground guy Lem says a shipment of T4 Pros with off-road tires docks in the US in a couple weeks. Maaaybe other dealers like Alien Rides will also get some of those wheels from that boat.

Living in Colorado you're going to want an off-road wheel if you're trying to commute more than 7 months a year, and a lot of people prefer off-road tires even for the streets due to better stability, especially at higher speeds.

Looking at the S16 Pro on EWheels.com, neither of the two tire options look like good off-road/winter tires for Colorado. 

As far as the S22 Pro, that should be a great wheel for you except for taking it on the bus. That's a big freaky wheel but just my opinion and I've never ridden one.  But if you're going to be taking the wheel on the bus a lot in the winter time, which is 4-5 months or whatever, then that kind of versatility/practicality is going to be really important.

Also you should ask your bus driver about their policy for EUCs/big EUCs on the bus. For all I know you should be looking at smaller non-suspension wheels purely to escape close scrutiny/rejection on the buses. 

[linzeestomp]

47 minutes ago, Esash said:

The T4 Pro is only $1400 from certain dealers. The EUC Underground guy Lem says a shipment of T4 Pros with off-road tires docks in the US in a couple weeks. Maaaybe other dealers like Alien Rides will also get some of those wheels from that boat.

Living in Colorado you're going to want an off-road wheel if you're trying to commute more than 7 months a year, and a lot of people prefer off-road tires even for the streets due to better stability, especially at higher speeds.

Looking at the S16 Pro on EWheels.com, neither of the two tire options look like good off-road/winter tires for Colorado. 

As far as the S22 Pro, that should be a great wheel for you except for taking it on the bus. That's a big freaky wheel but just my opinion and I've never ridden one.  But if you're going to be taking the wheel on the bus a lot in the winter time, which is 4-5 months or whatever, then that kind of versatility/practicality is going to be really important.

Also you should ask your bus driver about their policy for EUCs/big EUCs on the bus. For all I know you should be looking at smaller non-suspension wheels purely to escape close scrutiny/rejection on the buses. 

RTD allows riders to bring bikes and scooters on the buses. Considering an EUC is generally smaller than a bike or scooter I am not too worried about being able to bring it on the bus/train.

Alien Rides I think already has these T4 Pro's on their website in stock for the $1,400 you mentioned

1 hour ago, on one said:

Personally for me if I was going to buy a wheel I would really look hard at the S 22 Pro because it’s a mature wheel now and it could really be a lot of fun on the endo.

Water resistance of S16 Pro vs Range of S22....hmmmmm

[litewave]

The S22 Pro with 50S batteries and latest 4000w motor with the latest NSK bearings is a much better option than the heavily discounted S22s you see for sale in the low $2,000 range. You really don't need to do a lot of tweaking or maintenance on it, other than adjusting the suspension. If you weigh 170-200lbs the stock coil should be fine. I didn't have any maintenance issues with my early S22 Pro (4,000w motor) until the 1500 mile mark when I got the famous bearing knock sound and had to replace them (replacement part provided for free by eWheels). The suspension rollers and everything else are still fine. Also, you can seal up most of the water ingress points with silicon yourself, though the batteries not being sealed is hard to compensate for. Other than the bearings, my biggest complaint with the S22 so far is the bolts which are poor quality. Also, you will need to pad the upper edge of the battery case to protect your legs and replace the stock leg pads when you are ready since they are decorative.

I have seriously considered buying the S16 Pro but have deferred for now since watching WrongWay's In-depth Review. He discusses the S16's lack of water-resistance starting at 21:40.