Birds inside my wheel

[eried]

Hi! I've heard some faint, bird-like chirping sounds from my V14. I saw a video by Wrong Way about the V14 where he mentioned the same noises. He wasn't sure if they were from actual Warsaw's birds or the wheel.

Can I spray some silicone lub / WD40 / Vaseline?

I know the bearing are sealed, but some particle or dirt or dry area is clearly producing a sound.Wheel has under 500 kms, I have climbed some trails with it, but never submerged it more than the tire / went thru sand.

[eried]

Answering my question 😬 I am pretty sure is the covers of the bearings rotating and making a sound sometimes.

I tried:

-Dry lub spray: no change

-silicone spray: worse sound

-specialist wd40 ptfe: 100% fixed, I know some people will say "it will attract dust and blah blah" but just apply and clean it 

[LuckyV14]

Silicone Oil helped my Chirping. I may try some PTFE oil or even Grease.

[eried]

On 8/8/2024 at 5:48 PM, LuckyV14 said:

Silicone Oil helped my Chirping. I may try some PTFE oil or even Grease.

After testing more, I think the wd40 specialist white lithium was the best. The ptfe starting chirping after 3-5 hours of use, the other hasn't failed yet.

I think the definitive solution would be to lightly scratch the rubber cover with some fine sandpaper to change the way it rubs the axis... But I dont want to take it appart

[techyiam]

18 minutes ago, eried said:

After testing more, I think the wd40 specialist white lithium was the best. The ptfe starting chirping after 3-5 hours of use, the other hasn't failed yet.

I think the definitive solution would be to lightly scratch the rubber cover with some fine sandpaper to change the way it rubs the axis... But I dont want to take it appart

How about dry graphite lube?

Do the the V14 sliders use oil seals?

[eried]

42 minutes ago, techyiam said:

How about dry graphite lube?

Do the the V14 sliders use oil seals?

Not sure, but the sliders dont make noise. I tried dry lube, no change but it seems very good to clean the area for lithium grease later

Edited August 10 by eried

[techyiam]

Where are you applying the lithium grease?

[eried]

Near the pedal where you can see rubber and the axis. I feel the noise was coming from that seal that is on the outer case of the motor. Directly inside you have the bearing, but I am not sure is reachable from outside, either way it is very smooth when rotating it manually.

I measured the temperature after a long trip and both sides where the same, so I am 99.9% sure the noise is just materials rubbing

[techyiam]

OK.

It's not the sliders.

You are saying it's the outer bearings seals?

You mean just below the pedal hinge when the pedals are folded up, and a portion of the wheel bearings outer seal can be seen. 

I can't make out what I am looking at from the photo. How about a more zoomed out view.

[LuckyV14]

35 minutes ago, techyiam said:

OK.

It's not the sliders.

You are saying it's the outer bearings seals?

You mean just below the pedal hinge when the pedals are folded up, and a portion of the wheel bearings outer seal can be seen. 

I can't make out what I am looking at from the photo. How about a more zoomed out view.

Exactly.  Its this seal that makes the noise when it spins . Probably due to Dust and Dirt. Silicone Spray helped a bit but i think Grease is a better option. Its just not easy to get in there from outside. In Winter when i will not ride so much i guess i will dare to open the wheel

[techyiam]

22 minutes ago, LuckyV14 said:

Exactly.  Its this seal that makes the noise when it spins . Probably due to Dust and Dirt. Silicone Spray helped a bit but i think Grease is a better option. Its just not easy to get in there from outside. In Winter when i will not ride so much i guess i will dare to open the wheel

On my S22, I removed this outer seal, and lubed it with marine grease. Then on the exposed side of the seal, I clean off the grease and apply a film of dry graphite lube.

That's what I experimented with so far. Not sure how well this will work on the V14.

Good to know that it is not the sliders. I was considering a V14; this is less serious. 

[eried]

36 minutes ago, techyiam said:

On my S22, I removed this outer seal, and lubed it with marine grease. Then on the exposed side of the seal, I clean off the grease and apply a film of dry graphite lube.

That's what I experimented with so far. Not sure how well this will work on the V14.

Good to know that it is not the sliders. I was considering a V14; this is less serious. 

The noise is quite low too, not annoying, really seems like is birds 😁 but yes, that seal makes some noise after a while, maybe there is some expansions after a while? 

I will report back how long the white lithium one last, it has been 100 kms no noise now.

[Punxatawneyjoe]

On 7/31/2024 at 3:24 AM, eried said:

WD40

I would be careful using wd40 around seals and bearings. Wd40 is a solvent and can liquefy the grease in the bearings. Also there are certain rubbers and plastics that can be dissolved by it. (seals) white lithium is ok, that and any sort of light oil alone. My 2 cents.

[eried]

30 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

I would be careful using wd40 around seals and bearings. Wd40 is a solvent and can liquefy the grease in the bearings. Also there are certain rubbers and plastics that can be dissolved by it. (seals) white lithium is ok, that and any sort of light oil alone. My 2 cents.

Yeah, im using the specialist wd40

[eried]

After 2 hrs ride, no noise, temperature very low on both sides 41-42C

Only slightly higher than the rest of the euc😂

[Finn Bjerke]

Veldig fine farver....åasom gjoør du sånnt@

 

Nice color piz how dya make it

 

[Finn Bjerke]

The bird is Danish pipfugl