TSG Helmet Advisory

[Marty Backe]

I've never liked the TSG helmet (it does look cool) because of how small it is and how little room there is between your face & chin and the helmet.

Dawn is also not a big fan and here we have a little fun with a donated TSG helmet

 

[trailless]

I agree that they look cool, that's about it... I'd much rather just go to cycle gear and get fitted for a helmet. Also, it's absurd how much they charge for the TSG helmets 

[Marty Backe]

Just now, trailless said:

I agree that they look cool, that's about it... I'd much rather just go to cycle gear and get fitted for a helmet. Also, it's absurd how much they charge for the TSG helmets 

I think it's a status symbol of sorts 🤔

[Planemo]

8 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

I think it's a status symbol of sorts 🤔

Indeed. And equally as crap as the Steelbird Air (which also happens to look 'cool').

[Mango]

TSG Pass are good helmets because they are easy to put on, lightweight, cool and have good visibility, so you just end up prefering them over a motorcycle helmet.

I have a proper Shoei helmet but I rarely use it because it's heavier, has narrower viewport, straps dig into my throat, and hard to wear with glasses. But it is way better quality and my head feels like it's in a Lexus while the rest of my body is open to the elements. It makes me take more risks which will only increase my chances of getting into an accident.

So I tend to gravitate towards the TSG (winter) and the Fox Proframes (summer). Both helmets are way overpriced, but 🤷🏻‍♂️ they are popular for a reason.

[sbb]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

TSG Pass are good helmets because they are easy to put on, lightweight, cool and have good visibility,

If that is your criteria, I might suggest you start wearing a baseball hat.

 

[Paul A]

Maybe send it to Zenia.....

 

 

[Marty Backe]

19 minutes ago, Paul A said:

Maybe send it to Zenia.....

 

 

This was both hilarious and impressive 👍

[Mango]

53 minutes ago, sbb said:

If that is your criteria, I might suggest you start wearing a baseball hat.

 

Let's ride on a one-wheel balancing device built in China without regulatory oversight and dodgy build quality... 

[Cerbera]

Thank goodness people are doing the thigh tests. I'm sure the Ministry of Transport and CE certification people use that test to gauge helmet safety

Aside from my constant joy, wonder and bafflement at the things it occurs to humans to do, I don't think we can judge any helmet's performance by how it does in a vice !

There are not many situations in which a riders head is incrementally crushed in such a slow, sustained and deliberate way. (I'm not planning on card counting at any 1980s casinos)

They are meant to protect us from a one sided 'hit-and -slide' in the vast majority of cases, and the TSG, whilst unquestionably not as good as a proper MC helmet, does a do a fairly decent job of mitigating damage in that more common of situations. I haven't had cause to test that with mine yet, and I am already eying up the Scorpion ADX2, but in the meantime I am still happier with my TSG on than I would be without it !

If I couldn't survive Vania's thighs that's a risk I'll just have to take !

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Cerbera

[Robse]

now that the thread has started with a helmet video, I think this should be included. If nothing else then for the sake of the horse

 

[Cerbera]

That's a very good video (horse is excellent too), and I could certainly learn from it, guilty as I am of riding riding rather too often with my visor open.

I think wearing her Shoei she needn't have worried about her eyes so much in the event of visor failure. Human eyes are very good 'design' in the amount they are recessed into the skull and wearing that helmet her face is still a good distance from the ground passing underneath her even without the visor. I could not say the same for the TSG Pass, and nor can it pass the 'twat from below' test, which exposes my chin a bit no matter how tight the strap is. This is my main reason for upgrading to the Scorpion ADX-2.

She makes good points about avoiding helmet whiffiness as well - ninja underlayer stretchy balaclava works for me there, at the expense of some hearing loss. Very cheap and comfy.

 

[InfiniteWheelie]

“TSG Helmet Advisory”?

I don’t get it, was there supposed to be some kind point made? It’s a video of a woman showing that the TSG helmet has some flex in the chin area. So what?

As everyone knows already, it’s a skateboarding/bicycle helmet, not a motorcycle helmet (it’s much lighter and smaller). If you want a big and heavy motorcycle helmet for (potentially) more safety, then go buy one. Was that the point, to tell people to buy motorcycle helmets?

Did the poster consider that the flex could actually be beneficial in certain crashes, or that the extra vision and easier head movement could help to prevent crashes, or cause you to actually wear a helmet more often?

The thread title just seems like clickbait or something. I’ve bought two by the way, and they’re great helmets.

Edited February 21, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[Marty Backe]

59 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

“TSG Helmet Advisory”?

I don’t get it, was there supposed to be some kind point made? It’s a video of a woman showing that the TSG helmet has some flex in the chin area. So what?

As everyone knows already, it’s a skateboarding/bicycle helmet, not a motorcycle helmet (it’s much lighter and smaller). If you want a big and heavy motorcycle helmet for (potentially) more safety, then go buy one. Was that the point, to tell people to buy motorcycle helmets?

Did the poster consider that the flex could actually be beneficial in certain crashes, or that the extra vision and easier head movement could help to prevent crashes, or cause you to actually wear a helmet more often?

The thread title just seems like clickbait or something. I’ve bought two by the way, and they’re great helmets.

That's me, the poster of the click-bait video. Where's your sense of humor? Seems like everyone that has a strong disagreement with the basic message of the video (you really didn't understand the point of the video???) is an owner of a TSG helmet and criticism of said helmet is taken as a personal insult  

[Marty Backe]

19 hours ago, Cerbera said:

Thank goodness people are doing the thigh tests. I'm sure the Ministry of Transport and CE certification people use that test to gauge helmet safety

Aside from my constant joy, wonder and bafflement at the things it occurs to humans to do, I don't think we can judge any helmet's performance by how it does in a vice !

There are not many situations in which a riders head is incrementally crushed in such a slow, sustained and deliberate way. (I'm not planning on card counting at any 1980s casinos)

They are meant to protect us from a one sided 'hit-and -slide' in the vast majority of cases, and the TSG, whilst unquestionably not as good as a proper MC helmet, does a do a fairly decent job of mitigating damage in that more common of situations. I haven't had cause to test that with mine yet, and I am already eying up the Scorpion ADX2, but in the meantime I am still happier with my TSG on than I would be without it !

If I couldn't survive Vania's thighs that's a risk I'll just have to take !

 

Did this look like a lab experiment? Just some people have a fun time and talking about how the TSG may not be the best helmet for modern day EUC riding.

BTW, her name is Dawn 

[litewave]

14 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Did this look like a lab experiment? Just some people have a fun time and talking about how the TSG may not be the best helmet for modern day EUC riding.

BTW, her name is Dawn 

"Modern day EUC riding"? Do you still ride with your Bell Super Air?

There is no doubt that wheels are bigger and faster than just a few years ago, but unless you are riding among traffic on roads at average speeds above 30+ mph or driving hard offroad in rocky terrain, do you really need a motorcycle helmet? If not, I think MTB (Bell Supers) and downhill-rated helmets (like the Pass/Pro) are more than adequate.

Disclaimer: I purchased a motocross helmet (TLD SE4)( for use with my S22 Pro if/when it ever shows up.

 

 

[Marty Backe]

27 minutes ago, litewave said:

"Modern day EUC riding"? Do you still ride with your Bell Super Air?

There is no doubt that wheels are bigger and faster than just a few years ago, but unless you are riding among traffic on roads at average speeds above 30+ mph or driving hard offroad in rocky terrain, do you really need a motorcycle helmet? If not, I think MTB (Bell Supers) and downhill-rated helmets (like the Pass/Pro) are more than adequate.

Disclaimer: I purchased a motocross helmet (TLD SE4)( for use with my S22 Pro if/when it ever shows up.

 

 

For years now my primary helmet is the Scorpion AT950 which I absolutely love and recommend all the time. Better visibility than the TSG, more practical, and safer.

I do ride the Bell Super Air when trail riding or going to the store.

[winterwheel]

It's mentioned in the video that people are getting concussions out of these helmets and that's the reason the original owner is switching to something more robust.

[InfiniteWheelie]

59 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

That's me, the poster of the click-bait video. Where's your sense of humor? Seems like everyone that has a strong disagreement with the basic message of the video (you really didn't understand the point of the video???) is an owner of a TSG helmet and criticism of said helmet is taken as a personal insult  

There was clearly some goofiness involved, but the video seemed like it was trying to expose something about the helmet.

So it was nothing but a silly video about thigh squeezing? Then why demonstrate how it flexes even with outstretched arms, and say that you never liked the helmet, and call the thread “TSG Helmet Advisory”?

If that’s all a joke then I guess I missed it. The thread and video just seemed odd to me.

[InfiniteWheelie]

11 minutes ago, winterwheel said:

It's mentioned in the video that people are getting concussions out of these helmets and that's the reason the original owner is switching to something more robust.

Wow you’re right, I just realized I didn’t even watch the whole video before, I’d stopped watching right after the thigh squeezing ended.

I’m pretty sure I’m being gaslit now.

Edited February 21, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[litewave]

On 2/19/2023 at 6:48 PM, Planemo said:

Indeed. And equally as crap as the Steelbird Air (which also happens to look 'cool').

Not everyone needs a motorcycle helmet. Probably less than 1/3 or 1/4 of all riders but that's my impression/speculation.

I own both the TSG Pass Pro (carbon fiber) and SBA2. I've crashed twice with the TSG (small bounce hits to the chin) and felt nothing.

The Pass/Pro is a great helmet if it fits your head and use case. It can feel claustrophobic if you're concerned about that, otherwise, it fits like a glove on your head.

The SBA-2 is/was rated as a two-wheeler helmet (possibly an out-of-date rating), but it doesn't fit me well nor does it have any EPS or EPP foam in the chin guard, just a plastic cover with an air gap. The shell is very tough, however. 

[Marty Backe]

4 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

There was clearly some goofiness involved, but the video seemed like it was trying to expose something about the helmet.

So it was nothing but a silly video about thigh squeezing? Then why demonstrate how it flexes even with outstretched arms, and say that you never liked the helmet, and call the thread “TSG Helmet Advisory”?

If that’s all a joke then I guess I missed it. The thread and video just seemed odd to me.

No. If you listen to what Dawn said in the video she was relaying the fact that she has personally witnessed head injuries from people who were wearing TSG helmets. And then you can clearly see that it has much more flex than a motorcycle helmet and has much less interior padding.

A TSG helmet is miles better than no helmet but I still haven't heard of anyone saying it's an ideal helmet for protection.

Dawn is providing a perspective. People are free to disagree and move on. The thigh cracking is for giggles for people with a sense of humor 

[litewave]

4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

No. If you listen to what Dawn said in the video she was relaying the fact that she has personally witnessed head injuries from people who were wearing TSG helmets. And then you can clearly see that it has much more flex than a motorcycle helmet and has much less interior padding.

A TSG helmet is miles better than no helmet but I still haven't heard of anyone saying it's an ideal helmet for protection.

Dawn is providing a perspective. People are free to disagree and move on. The thigh cracking is for giggles for people with a sense of humor 

It's good that we are getting some eyewitness reporting about the TSG Pass. Just a few weeks ago I posted that no one had reported any injuries on this site. I think Dawn has street cred and deserves to be taken seriously. Still, we need more details about these injuries to make informed decisions if/where/how to ride with a Pass.

Edited February 21, 2023 by litewave

[Marty Backe]

2 minutes ago, litewave said:

Not everyone needs a motorcycle helmet. Probably less than 1/3 or 1/4 of all riders but that's my impression/speculation.

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I'm sure that your observation is dependent on the local ride culture. In Southern California nearly everyone wears motorcycle helmets because nearly everyone is riding very fast. The majority of riders have Begode and Veteran wheels. Inmotion and KingSong aren't much of a thing on group rides.

So if you ask me, 90% of riders need motorcycle helmets. But that's my local bias.

[InfiniteWheelie]

20 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

No. If you listen to what Dawn said in the video she was relaying the fact that she has personally witnessed head injuries from people who were wearing TSG helmets.

Yeah I realized I didn’t watch the entire video, I missed all that.

Your take is fair enough, that it’s better than nothing, but may not be as safe as a motorcycle helmet.

I‘d argue that’s a better phrasing than how it was worded in the video, which upon finishing, seemed to try to “expose” it in a one sided way. That’s my opinion, anyway.

Edited February 21, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie