Mars Bless Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/5478162945614957/?flite=scwspnss&mibextid=u81vWr868JTqCiLD https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/5478265855604666/?flite=scwspnss&mibextid=u81vWr868JTqCiLD Down stairs suspension action. How is this suspension compared to other eucs? Looks smooth to me but I know nothing about suspension eucs. Edited September 28, 2022 by Mars Bless Added additional footage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted September 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) On 9/28/2022 at 2:06 PM, Mars Bless said: How is this suspension compared to other eucs? We think it's basically the same "Begod scissor-link suspension design" as their other modern wheels: Master/Pro/X, T4, EX20S, Hero. It means one tubular sliding stanchion per side, and a linkage to a 3rd-party MTB rear suspension eye-to-eye spring-damper. The standard MTB damper sizes are nice because it gives opportunity for user upgrades. Hopefully they'll keep improving the sloppy fit that the design has shown in the past: the sliding tubes and linkages make it challenging to avoid rattles and freeplay. The main difference in ride quality from Begod's models is related to weight: EX20S, EX30, and Pro/X are massive; T4/Hero/Master2400wh are less massive (but still at least as weighty as your EX.N). And tire size always matters (T4 is the 16"-class; Hero/Master/EX20/30 is 18"; Pro/X is 22"). Kingsong has a different approach to the sliding mechanism: instead of one steel tube, S22 uses two aluminum tracks and corresponding plastic sliders, per side. And otherwise, the same type of MTB spring-damper mounted in a linkage. Suspension performance should be similar (especially when upgrading the damper); durability worse (plastic sliders exposed to contamination). Inmotion does not use the scissor-link concept. V11 and V13 use a spring/damper packaged inside the sliding mechanism. The benefit is fewer moving parts (implies: less opportunity for rattle and slop). But V11 does not use standard MTB spring-dampers, and the standard ones provided are underwhelming. V13 aftermarket damper compatibility is not known yet, but seems unlikely: let's hope they get it right with the standard parts. Leaperkim (and possibly its ExtremeBull imitator) is trying to simplify the system even further, by using sealed, large-diameter MTB front stanchions and their integrated spring-dampers. It will be the first EUC where the sliding mechanism is the damper. This should result in minimized freeplay, with no rattle. The system is likely not practical to upgrade with 3rd-party dampers: let's hope they get it right with the standard parts. V11 was also unique in that the batteries and motor are not supported by the suspension; all other suspension EUC designs (including V13) have elected to support the heavy batteries. The trade-off being: the need for a flex cable to power the motor, in all these wheels where the batteries see movement. The flex cable is a durability concern, and have been an occasional source of failures (crashes!) with aged examples of such models (S18). Demo wheels have not reached reviewers yet, and actual durability is not known until production wheels are in the hands of paying customers, so it's too soon to say much more on Sherman-S, V13, Pro/X, EX30. Edited October 3, 2022 by RagingGrandpa 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Bless Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I think you can call me a EX30 crackhead or something lol. Off road: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/5478279068936678/?flite=scwspnss&mibextid=u81vWr868JTqCiLD @RagingGrandpa thank you for the explanation on the suspension and how they work on the eucs . Appreciate it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtahRider Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 19 hours ago, EMA said: will be awesome for sure but the master pro will always be the winner becouse it has a higher distance pedals-seat Thanks EMA, I forgot about the Master Pro. Too many wheels to keep track of, which is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 10 hours ago, UtahRider said: Thanks EMA, I forgot about the Master Pro. Too many wheels to keep track of, which is a good thing. seated riding on susp wheels is really nice ! the begode design also let you do it without an additional seat (if you are not tall), it's something worth mention ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtahRider Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 hours ago, EMA said: seated riding on susp wheels is really nice ! the begode design also let you do it without an additional seat (if you are not tall), it's something worth mention ! Yes it is, I almost exclusively ride my EX seated and can’t wait for my Master to do the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjPanJan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 High PSI tire on this video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, DjPanJan said: High PSI tire on this video. How can you tell? I thought compression damping maybe too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 57 minutes ago, techyiam said: I thought compression damping maybe too high. Certainly suspension looked restricted, even thought pedal hangers went very low. Left side had already lost some paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Eucner said: Certainly suspension looked restricted, even thought pedal hangers went very low. Left side had already lost some paint. Went back and watched at quarter speed. I think I got it wrong. It appears the spring rate and compression damping are low, and rebound damping is even lower. The wheel looked responsive most of the time. I think he either he is bottoming, or high speed compression damping is too high, and that's why the rider gets bounced up when he go over large roots, or bumps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 https://www.facebook.com/100036517330335/videos/463640635534484/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I would like to petition for something other than the shiny crap plastic for the battery boxes. They do not have to be metal, but something more than what is currently being offered. Don't build a 4K wheel with Dollar Store parts. Plus, if they are doing a "water resistant" motor why not add that feature to the batteries and controller... I will happily pay a few hundred more for a more refined product. Roll out has been pushed to mid Q1 2023 so they have time to make some meaningful revisions. It will not happen though LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleepBloopBlop Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Where did you hear this won't be launched until next year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Bless Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Where you get this info from? Mass production starts in November. I haven't seen anything regarding what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 On 9/30/2022 at 12:36 PM, Eucner said: Certainly suspension looked restricted, even thought pedal hangers went very low. Left side had already lost some paint. Could also possibly be that they are pedals swapped over from a different, more used wheel, the pedals themselves seem to look to be a reasonably decent height off the deck? I certainly see the lower bump pads looked a bit scuffed, suggesting they are doing their job of protecting the lower chassis, but couldn’t determine the same of the pedal hangers themselves. But compared to footage of the Sherman - S, I wholly agree with you regarding the comparative lack of suspension movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3fault Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 On 10/19/2022 at 10:37 PM, gon2fast said: I would like to petition for something other than the shiny crap plastic for the battery boxes I agree. I'd rather have metal. I have the ex30 pre-ordered but am considering just getting an ex20s instead.... or heck maybe I'll get the Sherman-S..... Begode are you listening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Bless Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 \https://www.facebook.com/100036517330335/posts/795997704960800/?flite=scwspnss Can't wait to get this in hand and rip through the city. Ride looks pretty smooth. It's not tall like the v13 and Sherman S. I'm 5'6. It'll probably look like I'm close to sitting on one of those talk monsters lol. Planning to install the erides pedals, Flow pads by grizzla. Leave the shock and tire stock and upgrade them if needed. Going to research tires. Probably Michelin or see if there's one similar to the H666. Not too concerned with the battery boxes. People used to complain about the EXN and RS panels breaking easily but that hasn't been my experience. Throw some farings on top of the EX30 with pads and i suspect it should be fine. The master pro that cut off came out relatively unscathed, all things considered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) Suspension compliance seems OK. I think its weakness is when it is going over edge, or other steep bumps. Perhaps, high speed compression damping is too firm. Edited October 22, 2022 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Mars Bless said: It's not tall like the v13 and Sherman S. The EX30 doesn't look to be specifically lower than the Sherman-S to my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstuart Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Anybody know how much this weighs?? I'm considering canceling my Master pre order to get this, but I wanna try to use it for offroad. I'm thinking the weight might make it a bad trail wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wstuart said: Anybody know how much this weighs?? I'm considering canceling my Master pre order to get this, but I wanna try to use it for offroad. I'm thinking the weight might make it a bad trail wheel. Begode EX30 weighs 95 lbs. Veteran Sherman-S weighs 97 lbs. Extreme Bull Commander Pro weight ? Edited October 22, 2022 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begodecrashtestdummy Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Mars Bless said: \https://www.facebook.com/100036517330335/posts/795997704960800/?flite=scwspnss Can't wait to get this in hand and rip through the city. Ride looks pretty smooth. It's not tall like the v13 and Sherman S. I'm 5'6. It'll probably look like I'm close to sitting on one of those talk monsters lol. Planning to install the erides pedals, Flow pads by grizzla. Leave the shock and tire stock and upgrade them if needed. Going to research tires. Probably Michelin or see if there's one similar to the H666. Not too concerned with the battery boxes. People used to complain about the EXN and RS panels breaking easily but that hasn't been my experience. Throw some farings on top of the EX30 with pads and i suspect it should be fine. The master pro that cut off came out relatively unscathed, all things considered. The ex30 comes stock with spiked pedals and they are awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonoWheel Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 So what is the real difference between the EX30 and Master X? Do they use different electronic hardware? I know there's a difference in suspension travel and motor power but is that it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onkeldanuel Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, Unicycle Santa said: So what is the real difference between the EX30 and Master X? Do they use different electronic hardware? I know there's a difference in suspension travel and motor power but is that it? The MasterX is 22 inch, the EX30 is 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstuart Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, Unicycle Santa said: So what is the real difference between the EX30 and Master X? Do they use different electronic hardware? I know there's a difference in suspension travel and motor power but is that it? Ex30 is a 20 inch wheel, master x is a 22 inch wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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