5Cauac Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 20 hours ago, gon2fast said: It is on par with the OG Sherman once you are able to put some weight on it. That's how I felt when I tested out the Demo. To me it felt like a Sherman with suspension. Been checking the S22 threads as mine arrives this Thursday. Being that this one is for the S22s from Ewheels, I'll report here with my findings. Fingers crossed guys. 🤞 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, 5Cauac said: Fingers crossed guys. 🤞 So far so good with the motor. No clunks, skips or abnormalities (knock on wood). I took off the stock pads and now I can turn and stop the wheel so that is a big improvement. I have also made a point to use the wheel on the the dustiest trails around my house and no loss of function with the suspension after 100 miles. Next milestone will be installing a proper street tire. Edited September 7, 2022 by gon2fast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Cheap, but does exactly what I need - Edited September 7, 2022 by gon2fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gon2fast Posted September 7, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 Love this frigging wheel. I was crushing trails that none of my other wheels can access earlier this afternoon. I admit that the S22 is a bit sluggish on the road*, but it shreds trails. The tire is also very thorn resistant. I mistakenly rolled through a section that has taken out many tires (1482, k666 and a 262). Knocked all of the thorns off with a stick and kept rolling. "but what about the bad motor?" Not too concerned. If I hear noises then I will park it, but until then I am all in under 25mph. If I get launched rolling the dice that is a fate that I am fine with. *off of the line acceleration is not there. I experimented with tilting pedals upwards (toe) to see if I could get more pressure on launch. Nope, off of the line acceleration actually got worse because of the S22's big butt. Basically I was fighting the heavier rear end of the wheel - it had an anchor-like effect LOL. I am thinking about moving the pedals forward and lowering them now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 W.W. rec’d riding it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 8, 2022 Author Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, OldFartRides said: W.W. rec’d riding it backwards. That makes me wonder how it would actually feel to ride it with the shock facing forward. I know what I am doing tomorrow afternoon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gon2fast Posted September 8, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) Day... 4? Observations The battery box edges hurt like when you first ride a M -Super. Really does not matter what you put over the edge as you have to squeeze the wheel while riding Offset steering seems to work best with this wheel Quieter than the V11 - basically silent when running The S22 is very torquey, just not the GW/BG way. Rolling over terrain at slow speeds is effortless. GW/BG should really be labeled LS/HS or LE/HE. Not torque vs speed, it is all speed.. 40t battery gets almost the same range as my MSP HT 1800wh (seems like the top end consumption is better, but lacking near the lower end of the charge). Wish that the trolley handle locked There is not much that can stop this wheel on flat ground if you have the skills to stay upright and keep moving forward. Edited September 8, 2022 by gon2fast 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 Maybe those better versed with cell management can give some feedback. I have been reporting the lack of the Balancing/Equilibrium phase during charging to my reseller, but the feedback that I am getting is that my packs are within the balanced zone, but it does not seem that way to me. Not saying that I am correct, but more eyes on this besides myself and my reseller would be helpful. These are the BMS stats from a charge to 100% earlier this morning - Pack 1 Pack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) So if you ignore the fact that they're not 4.200V, and if you interpret "balanced" to mean that all of the cells are within a certain number of millivolts of each other, then you have Pack 1 with a max-to-min delta of 17 millivolts, and Pack 2 is 19 millivolts. Which isn't 'bad' to my eyes... they're all pretty much the same. If the delta were 100 millivolts, I'd be asking questions but must defer to true battery experts on how much is too much. Sure, it would be more comforting if they were 4.200, but the last little bit of voltage is surface charge and that gets eaten up almost immediately. There's a pretty rapid drop in voltage shortly after you start using the pack. Again, someone with more "pack" expertise than I have should weigh in... but I look at your numbers and see that no cells are overcharged and all the cells are pretty close to each other. You may be down a bit on total capacity (less than 1%?), but that would be difficult to extrapolate into range. I'm not as concerned that cells aren't shown in blue as I am seeing that none of them are seriously out of whack. Edited September 9, 2022 by Tawpie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Tawpie said: I'm not as concerned that cells aren't shown in blue as I am seeing that none of them are seriously out of whack. Interesting, I wonder if the BMS will only engage the balancing/equilibrium phase if a cell is too far out range? I would very much like to see all phases of charging in action so I know what and when to expect it. I guess I need a new motor as well LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, gon2fast said: I wonder if the BMS will only engage the balancing/equilibrium phase if a cell is too far out range? Here again, we the consumer, know precious little about this BMS other than it's "smart". The BMSs most widely in use on wheels are "top balancing", meaning they bleed charge from cells that charged more quickly than the others and reached the 4.2V max early. Bleeding continues until all the other cells catch up. If none of the cells lag, there would be little or no top balancing because they all finish charging to full at the same time. Depending on what value the BMS is programmed to declare "full voltage, stop charging", you may never see any cell get bled until one of the other cells is weakened and is slower to reach 'full' than the rest. A brand new "good" pack with well matched cells shouldn't need top balancing. Top balancing is a crude but effective way to accommodate cells that age or weaken at different rates than the other cells in the pack. Edited September 9, 2022 by Tawpie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Tawpie said: A brand new "good" pack with well matched cells shouldn't need top balancing. Top balancing is a crude but effective way to accommodate cells that age or weaken at different rates than the other cells in the pack. My theory on balancing is/was way off. I am going to keep monitoring and make sure nothing gets too out spec. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 12:02 AM, gon2fast said: The battery box edges hurt like when you first ride a M -Super. Really does not matter what you put over the edge as you have to squeeze the wheel while riding If you have a 3D printer, or a friend with a 3D printer: King Song S22 Calf Saver by natewaddoups - Thingiverse But the more I rode my S22 the less I squeezed it, and that helps too. There are times when squeezing is useful though (or just leaning on it with one leg), so the "calf saver" bits are still nice to have. The upper pads help too, but the upper pads add more width than support, so I'm not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, NSFW said: But the more I rode my S22 the less I squeezed it, and that helps too. I think that the stock pads were the culprit. I was unable to shift my legs/body around the wheel so I was squeezing to force turns, stop and accelerate. Since removing the pads the squeezing has gone away, but I am still feeling a tad bit of discomfort from the edge, but I feel my legs used to it. A good training tool for this wheel is a small box. I spent some time riding around holding a small box that blocked the view of my feet. For whatever reason not looking at my feet allowed me to find what I needed to do too properly maneuver the wheel without having to force it. That drill has really loosened up my legs and hips while riding the S22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 Another nice thing about this wheel is that when it is on the kickstand you can extend the trolley a bit and it the perfect place to store a helmet - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 Wonder if the the next batch will be labeled "S22"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 Some Thoughts After a Week- It is a big wheel - Both height and weight. Very similar to the Sherman, but a bit harder to handle at a stand still and mounting with the higher center of gravity. Motor is very nice (even though it is most likely going to self destruct) - this is the smoothest motor I have ever experienced. Power delivery is buttery and though it may not be quick off of the line, it very much delivers on slow speed torque (with ease). I am a rock crawler, slow and precise is my preference so this works out perfectly. Crash - I got taken out by teenager on a long board earlier today. I was heading towards a pedestrian/bike bridge and ran into a ding dong who decided to let go of his long board on a somewhat steep transition. At first the board was heading parallel with the opposing wall so I turned hard left to the opposite wall and tried to mildly accelerate past what was happening on the other side of the path. NOPE, that chit ended up underneath my wheel of course. Not wanting to break the kids board by pushing down and powering off I tried to dismount and got blasted on the back side on my right ankle/leg as the board shot out. Wheel down for the first time. F it, now it is out of the way. MB board is pushed up on one corner, not even noticeable so I am very happy with the build quality. Motor Skips? - A few times riding today I thought that I felt small skips when applying moderate pedal pressure. Hard to say if it was the motor or stickiness/latency in the suspension. No clunk or audible noise so I can't put a lot of worry around it. If the motor blows and I go flying that is my choice. Until then I am having scaled back fun so I can hopefully walk away from the impending disaster LOL. Pedal Dipping - None since I recalibrated a third time Seated Riding - Meh, the seat limits the ability to brake with the mush in the rear. If you are a larger rider then your upper torso can be effective with assisting with braking, but not something I would do for fun with the current setup. Step Above - I am riding trails and terrains on my S22 that none of my other wheels can't touch. Once the motor issue is resolved and I can climb on the S22 my MSP may be heading to a new home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 5Cauac Posted September 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) On 9/10/2022 at 11:39 PM, gon2fast said: It is a big wheel - Both height and weight. Very similar to the Sherman, but a bit harder to handle at a stand still and mounting with the higher center of gravity. Agreed, also more awkward to handle while turned off than the Sherman. Wish the handle locked in the extended position. You get used to the pedal height which does make mounting a bit tricky at first. On 9/10/2022 at 11:39 PM, gon2fast said: Motor is very nice (even though it is most likely going to self destruct) - this is the smoothest motor I have ever experienced. Power delivery is buttery and though it may not be quick off of the line, it very much delivers on slow speed torque (with ease). I am a rock crawler, slow and precise is my preference so this works out perfectly Absolutely agree however this is not noticeable till AFTER the 6 miles and speed is unlocked. Before then the motor acts very sluggish, and very noisy when accelerating or breaking. I initially thought "wow, this does not feel like the demo wheel at all" and figured this might be a troubled motor. Motor Skips? - No unusual sounds as of yet. (Knock on wood) I took the wheel on my usual testing grounds and was very pleased with the performance. Half way down the trial I started to feel these small jerks that sounded electrical which I though were coming from the motor. I would notice them upon accelerating and breaking. I freaked out a bit and immediately got off the wheel and started to trolly it down the trail. I was not making the noise while trolleying so took a chance and rode it back down at the slowest speed possible. Once I got to flat ground, I determined it was coming from the rubber stoppers rubbing in the suspension slider channel. I immediately performed the stress test and passed without any scrapping or knocking sounds. Pedal Dipping - No issues although I did reposition the pedals to the most forward position On 9/10/2022 at 11:39 PM, gon2fast said: Seated Riding - Meh, the seat limits the ability to brake with the mush in the rear. If you are a larger rider then your upper torso can be effective with assisting with braking, but not something I would do for fun with the current setup Agreed, I wont be riding this wheel seated. It's possible but I don't feel stable/safe on it sitting down. Suspension - I have to say the suspension was way more plush than I remember on the Demo. I once again got lucky with a working suspension right out of the box. I did get rid of some pre-load, (about 10 to 12 turns) Rebound at 5 clicks and Stiffness is at half a turn passed soft. NOTE: will definitely be removing the rubber stoppers as they introduce way too much friction. I did notice a few new things from the Demo version. Better material for the front Bumper/Handle Way better plastic for the kickstand. (softer plastic and better color match) Rubber pads for the back lift handle. (honestly I doubt I will ever use this handle. Lifting by the suspension arm is way easier.) Dynamic lighting? The headlights automatically dim at slower speeds and turn off as the wheel comes to a stop Rubber suspension arm protectors Adjustable lights are not as flimsy and stay in place Clear display/MB cover?? (I did not notice this before, I like it) Next up: changing out the tire. I don't like it's turning behavior changing out the pads Nice design attempt but poor ergonomics Personalization. color scheme, decals and 5 Cauac license plates. Videos Edited September 12, 2022 by 5Cauac 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, 5Cauac said: Agreed, I wont be riding this wheel seated. Once I took the pads off ridng while seated was much more manageable. Feels more comfortable than the stock Sherman seat, but you have to use your torso to brake since there is no support for the rear of the seat. Fine for bike paths, but I would not ride seated around cars in its current state (hard to stop LOL). Found this spray in my box of V11 crap. Now I have to figure out how to properly apply it without having to take apart the wheel... Edited September 13, 2022 by gon2fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Cauac Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 hours ago, gon2fast said: Found this spray in my box of V11 crap. Now I have to figure out how to properly apply it without having to take apart the wheel... I use the same stuff on my S18. Haven't applied any in months and still no squeaks. It will be pretty difficult without the red straw to reach the rear sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) I did not think that the rear sliders were accessible with the motor attached. Maybe I should take the seat off and actually look (DOH). I have been using long cotton swabs (Q-Tips) to clean all of the visible debris from the front sliders. I then spray a clean swab with the lubricant and manually coat the inner slide surfaces. Once I get the motivation to drop the motor and learn the process* I will most likely do a full service every week or two. *I have watched both KS breakdowns, but they do a bunch of extra stuff. I just need to know the quickest way to drop the motor... from an instructor with shorter finger nails LOL (I kid, but come from a military background so short nails were part of the package) Edited September 13, 2022 by gon2fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gon2fast Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 Red bumper up front is crap. Thing pops and starts to collapse every time I squeeze it. Would like to remove it and fill it with a heavy cement or something similar to make it stronger and offset the shock/ass weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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techyiam Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 With this new approach, if one is not intimidated by the challenge of removing the four hub bolts on each side, wheel removal looks to need very few step on the S22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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