eWheel S22 with 1776wh 40T cell range?

[No1up]

Does anyone have any idea about the range with that battery pack set up? I’m about 215lb I like to ride at around 35mph or so.. if I can get 40 miles that would be pretty good. If I can get 40 miles and still have some juice in the tank to get back to my car, even better.. lol

[Tawpie]

1 hour ago, No1up said:

if I can get 40 miles that would be pretty good.

Probably not at 35 mph—you'll need Sherm, Shermax, Commander or MPro for 40 miles in just over an hour.

Checkout SpeedyFeet's range test... Ian tries to get the worst possible range he can—IIRC he ended up somewhere in the 30s. Remember that was with the standard LG cells, not the 40Ts and you probably won't get as much range from the 40Ts. How much less is not known, especially if you are pushing it hard (might be very little range penalty!).

Edited July 4, 2022 by Tawpie

[No1up]

25 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

Probably not at 35 mph—you'll need Sherm, Shermax, Commander or MPro for 40 miles in just over an hour.

Checkout SpeedyFeet's range test... Ian tries to get the worst possible range he can—IIRC he ended up somewhere in the 30s. Remember that was with the standard LG cells, not the 40Ts and you probably won't get as much range from the 40Ts. How much less is not known, especially if you are pushing it hard (might be very little range penalty!).

Yeah from 2200wh to 1776wh is a big jump. At least with the master it’s 1900wh or 2400wh. Think I’ll go with the master 

[Funky]

23 minutes ago, No1up said:

Yeah from 2200wh to 1776wh is a big jump. At least with the master it’s 1900wh or 2400wh. Think I’ll go with the master 

Master is kinda "fragile" even the battery casings are made from thin/flimsy plastic. One side drop and they are cracked.. Check out maybe EX20S? - doh that wheel doesn't have any seals for water ingress.. But built wise it's one of the "better" options. If you want suspension. (It's all steel.)

Edited July 4, 2022 by Funky

[Tawpie]

28 minutes ago, No1up said:

Yeah from 2200wh to 1776wh is a big jump. At least with the master it’s 1900wh or 2400wh. Think I’ll go with the master 

Master's not going to do very much better. Mile or three more, assuming efficiency is about the same as the S22 (neither sip their battery)

[No1up]

2 hours ago, Funky said:

Master is kinda "fragile" even the battery casings are made from thin/flimsy plastic. One side drop and they are cracked.. Check out maybe EX20S? - doh that wheel doesn't have any seals for water ingress.. But built wise it's one of the "better" options. If you want suspension. (It's all steel.)

Clark fairing?

 

40 miles 30-35mph not realistic?

[fbhb]

On 7/5/2022 at 12:58 PM, No1up said:

Clark fairing?

Granted the Clark fairing (extra $200) will add some protection albeit "around" the battery casings, but my main concern is, as @Funky so rightly stated, the thin fragile plastic casings break very easily (check out Adam Wrongway's teardown video) but they are also wrongly specced IMO, as stressed "Load Bearing" structural elements so cannot withstand any kind of long term stress/abuse! 

Even the brackets that the casings are screwed to (using the ubiquitous GotWay/Begode wood screws) and these then bolted to the Master's metal frame are made of plastic, so definitely something for heavier riders to take into consideration with the Master.

Edited July 6, 2022 by fbhb

[Tawpie]

If I never dropped my wheel I'd be all over Master as an alternative to S22 (ignoring needing to change the tire, shock, suspension linkage, 'pads', add a shell, headlight and tail light). My major problem is that when it cartwheels it breaks the casting that holds the control board. And I drop my wheel -all- the time.

But that just means that it's not the wheel for my use case, not that it's a bad wheel—it's super exciting with unmatched performance. If speed were my thing, all the rest would just be inconveniences I'd learn to embrace.

[Funky]

8 hours ago, No1up said:

40 miles 30-35mph not realistic?

I can do ~35-40 miles on my 18xl.  And still have around 10% battery..

Slower you ride - more range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Riding at ~22mph.  

Edited July 5, 2022 by Funky

[No1up]

16 hours ago, fbhb said:

Granted the Clark fairing (extra $200) will add some protection albeit "around" the battery casings, but my main concern is, as @Funky so rightly stated, the thin fragile plastic casings break very easily (check out Adam Wrongway's teardown video) but they are also wrongly specced as stressed "Load Bearing" structural elements so cannot withstand any kind of long term stress IMO! 

Even the brackets that the casings are screwed to (using the ubiquitous GotWay/Begode wood screws) and these then bolted to the Master's metal frame are made of plastic, so definitely something for heavier riders to take into consideration with the Master.

Clark has a whole body bumper including the top part.. 

[No1up]

8 hours ago, Funky said:

I can do ~35-40 miles on my 18xl.  And still have around 10% battery..

Slower you ride - more range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Riding at ~22mph.  

“Slower you ride - more range” 

Sir, I’m going to have to ask you to stop with this nonsense. 

[Funky]

12 minutes ago, No1up said:

“Slower you ride - more range” 

Sir, I’m going to have to ask you to stop with this nonsense. 

Bro.. It isn't nonsense. Slower you ride - less power needed from the motor/batteries.. = more range.

Ask anyone on this forum.  Or you didn't know that? The harder you ride, the less range you have. Same as if you break/accelerate - if you keep steady 30mlh speed, you will have more range. Motor drains the batteries the most at acceleration.

Same as car.. More speed more gas.

Edited July 5, 2022 by Funky

[RagingGrandpa]

I heard the sarcasm in @No1up's reply  

[No1up]

22 minutes ago, Funky said:

Bro.. It isn't nonsense. Slower you ride - less power needed from the motor/batteries.. = more range.

Ask anyone on this forum.  Or you didn't know that? The harder you ride, the less range you have. Same as if you break/accelerate - if you keep steady 30mlh speed, you will have more range. Motor drains the batteries the most at acceleration.

Same as car.. More speed more gas.

“Slow your ride”…. Sir, I’m going to have to ask you to leave. These men will escort you out. 

[Funky]

16 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said:

I heard the sarcasm in @No1up's reply  

Damm.. All i heard was my inner thoughts reading out loud.

Are you related to "ET" by chance? Because you have to have some kind telepathy, to hear @No1up voice so far away. Or is he your roommate?   

[gon2fast]

$3300 for a 30-40 mile wheel? I feel like I am taking the stupid consumer test here... and I will probably go through with the purchase and fail the test LOL.

[litewave]

Newbie Nate Johnson claims 69 miles on a production S22 (LG 50E) at normal lazy-rolling speeds (21.5mph max, 15-18mph typical claimed) on flat terrain with 16% battery left over, which he estimated could give another 8-10 miles.

Edited July 5, 2022 by litewave

[Robse]

9 hours ago, Funky said:

I can do ~35-40 miles on my 18xl.  And still have around 10% battery..

Slower you ride - more range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Riding at ~22mph.  

I can do 50 miles on my 16X at average 25 mph and have 35% battery left.  Nah.  how come that?  (where do i find that angel emojii? )

[Funky]

19 minutes ago, Robse said:

I can do 50 miles on my 16X at average 25 mph and have 35% battery left.  Nah.  how come that?  (where do i find that angel emojii? )

I bet i'm 2x your weight.  

[Robse]

1 hour ago, Funky said:

I bet i'm 2x your weight.  

Guess your right;  My wheel is 27% of the total weight: wheel + rider + gear ;-)   And not to forget: Seated riding at "high" speed conserves a lot of energy.

[Funky]

44 minutes ago, Robse said:

Guess your right;  My wheel is 27% of the total weight: wheel + rider + gear ;-)   And not to forget: Seated riding at "high" speed conserves a lot of energy.

Dam if we are looking that way "wheel+rider+gear" total weight.. My wheel is 17%

I wish i was ~149lbs (If i calculated it right - I'm very bad at math..)

And if looking at weight limit 325lbs or 265lbs i might be -6% if it's 265lbs.Some pages show weight limit for 18xl as 325lbs.

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Funky

[Robse]

2 minutes ago, Funky said:

Dam if we look that way "wheel+rider+gear" total weight.. My wheel is 17%

I wish i was ~149lbs (If i did math right - i was very bad at math..)

And if looking at weight limit 325lbs or 265lbs i might be -6% if it's 265lbs.Some pages show weight limit for 18xl as 325lbs.

 

Your math is good ;-)  149 lbs  that's 67 Kilogram - correct.    Does your wheel ever make that door sound from Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? 

[Funky]

2 minutes ago, Robse said:

Your math is good ;-)  149 lbs  that's 67 Kilogram - correct.    Does your wheel ever make that door sound from Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? 

Emm wheel no.. Myself - sometimes. 

[gon2fast]

For the fun of it I took a ride around town this evening. I thought that I saw a huge lot of loose soil when I was driving earlier and wanted to go back, but it was much smaller when I got there. Once I left I started to realize that I can ride the terrain that I usually ride much differently with a large shock attached to my wheel. Secondly, I did a solid hour of riding and dropped 5% battery. I am not worried about the 40t config, it should fulfill my needs. If I can get 30 miles per charge at moderate speeds (20-30MPH) then my wishes are met. 

There is a big difference between fun and performance. With performance, you can never get enough, but with fun you can really enjoy the moment. I am excited about the the S22 because I want my riding to be focused around fun again, at least with the S22.

Edited July 7, 2022 by gon2fast

[Elliott Reitz]

So with a 12.5 mile round trip commute, my consumption is fairly consistent at 5% ride to work, 10% return ride. My average speed is about 23 and top speed peaks around  33 to 40 mph depending mostly on wind conditions. 

I was looking at a wind-load graph for bicyclists that roughly calculates 120 lbs wind load upon a 12 ft^2 human at 30mph that becomes about 200 at 40mph.  Having done 40mph and over 35mph daily I can say that sounds about right.  Times I go over 35 are not into headwinds nor up hill. Wheel torque limits do apply at those speeds - and there is a tremendous difference between the S22 and the S18.  The 100v MSX is also not as strong into headwinds as the S22.  

I'm expecting a fresh S22 from eWheels in a week or so with the 40Ts.  It will suit my commute needs just fine with possibly more torque into headwinds and for ultra-slow improvement (S22 is a pig at <5mph).

Update:  This pic shows there is only 4% range loss at over 10A. 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Elliott Reitz
correction 4%