360rumors Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 hours ago, yoos said: To add to @Paul A's very valid traffic interpretation skills, a mantra that one should internalize by the intermediate level is: what will happen if everybody starts doing their worst? I agree although I think this is not just an Intermediate skill but a necessary skill for survival. This morning I was riding to a store and I saw a fat woman walking out of the store. I thought she saw me so I relaxed a bit but then she suddenly walked right across me, forcing me to do an emergency brake. Fortunately I didn’t hit her or anything else. So as you said we have to assume the worst about what others might do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, 360rumors said: I agree although I think this is not just an Intermediate skill but a necessary skill for survival Indeed, but as a beginner you should stay away from traffic and busy places and also limit your speed so that you don't need to anticipate and preempt as many things as a speedster. It's intermediate in the sense that you are at a stage where you are confident in the basics and are using the EUC in non-controlled environments, participating in traffic (be it the street or pedestrian flow). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360rumors Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, yoos said: Indeed, but as a beginner you should stay away from traffic and busy places and also limit your speed so that you don't need to anticipate and preempt as many things as a speedster. Yes you’re probably right. At what point do you think a rider is ready for the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tawpie Posted June 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 360rumors said: At what point do you think a rider is ready for the road? First: you're not ready until your insurance is fully paid up. Health and life. Then I think you absolutely must be able to do a full shoulder check on both sides, whenever you want, without deviating from your intended path. After that I think you must have had experience with not crashing after you encounter unplanned obstacles… potholes, seams, gutter drains, manhole covers. Practice these when there's no traffic, in the neighborhood or in the middle of the night if you have to. And you have to be able to emergency brake without thinking about it. And because confidence is a big thing for me (if I doubt, I can't)... you need to know that you're ok and won't panic. I've got over 3k miles on my wheels... I can ride in traffic but will go out of my way to avoid it. I just know that something will happen and I'll fall, my gear will save my bacon, then I'll get squished by a Honda Fit. I will without a doubt lose any and all encounters with a motor vehicle. Protected bike lanes and sidewalks, that's what I seek. The gutter 'bike lanes' are more dangerous than just taking the entire lane and enduring the wrath of drivers as they're forced to pass. Edited June 2, 2022 by Tawpie 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tawpie said: First: you're not ready until your insurance is fully paid up. Health and life. Unfortunately not all countries have an insurance for that. It's good enough if you are allowed to ride these things at all. Few places explicitly allow EUCs on the road. In general I agree though about going on the road 1) be proficient with your EUC basics - you don't need to look to adjust your feet, you can look over your shoulder safely, you can brake fast, you mount and dismount smoothly and on any surface/incline. If you hit a bump or something you don't need to look down, your feet and legs should be enough to read the situation and recover balance. Your active mind should be focused on the traffic. 2) you have to understandwell how traffic works. Car experience helps (I assume 95% americans learn to drive as soon as they legally can). Motorcycle experience is even better. Bicycle commuter experience is also great. Otherwise be sure to study the rules -- not only those that apply to you but others as well, to fully understand all unfolding interactions. Understand defensive driving. 3) it is good if you already have experience of crashing and experience of barely not crashing. These help you keep focus and feel the edge in a bad situation. 4) confidence is indeed key: if you feel unready, then you are. If you don't see why you can't just stay on the sidewalk -- do stay on the sidewalk. If you are more comfortable on the bike lane, that's fine and very wise. I usually only jump into the street if I can avoid any interaction with moving cars: either the street is completely empty and I can go fast or they are all standing, so I can slowly roll up to the crossing and then comfortably get back to a sidewalk/bicycle path or go elsewhere. 5) it's best if you prepare: have both protective gear and visibility gear. Visibility gear will be appreciated for visibility and will also legitimize your presence on the road and command certain respect (just like poisonous frogs do with their flashy coats). People are less likely to drive you off the road and will give more distance, and this effect can be completely subconscious. All this was in respect to the hectic city life you see in, say, NYC or Moscow. In other places it might be easier. As a general rule, if it's a modern city with bikes, scooters (and perhaps even EUCs!) you can join the road earlier than in a car-centric place where traffic is typically faster and drivers are less-attuned to small vehicles and their delicate nature. LA is probably a mixed bag (a mixed bag of cars ) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayRay Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Tawpie said: First: you're not ready until your insurance is fully paid up. Health and life. Speaking of insurance... Has anyone tried (or have any knowledge) re: "Personal Mobility Policy"? (e.g. StateFarm) <- Link This guy riding an EUC is pictured on their website. Quote What does a Personal Mobility Policy cover? With the advent of rideshares, collisions involving for-hire vehicles tripled in some cities. However, the policy that covers the rideshare company, your driver and their car may not adequately cover you. A State Farm Personal Mobility Policy may fill those gaps. It can help cover the what ifs. You’re a rideshare passenger injured in an auto accident because of the rideshare driver’s negligence or fault. You’re injured while in, entering or exiting a rideshare vehicle. You’re hit by an uninsured motorist while riding a bicycle or motorized scooter.1 1 Options for bicycles, scooters or similar motorized modes of transportation should be discussed with your State Farm agent. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360rumors Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, RayRay said: Speaking of insurance Wow that’s cool that they included an EUC in the graphic. But a life and health insurance should normally cover EUC accidents so this policy seems superfluous. incidentally, might as well have a living will and living trust too to protect your family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begodecrashtestdummy Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 hours ago, 360rumors said: Yes you’re probably right. At what point do you think a rider is ready for the road? I was riding on roads and state routes around my area after 2 weeks of getting my wheel .I’m doing more midnight to 3am rides on them aswell .my rs has 6000 lumens headlight that are awesome .it’s much better when there isn’t much traffic to practice on main road .i have health insurance and i im a registered organ donor I’ve been one for 20 years while riding sportbikes so atleast someone could use my heart or kidney if I get my head ran over by a car …unfortunate news a rider was killed yesterday in an euc accident in San Francisco and last year there was an euc death in hawaii they are only going to become more frequent as they get more popular which will bring fucking asshole politicians trying to regulate our fun🖕🏻😎🖕🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Cyclists ride/train in pre dawn hours when roads are quiet. Riding behind a group of cyclists pre dawn is one option of practising road riding. They can go very fast though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayRay Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, 360rumors said: Wow that’s cool that they included an EUC in the graphic. But a life and health insurance should normally cover EUC accidents so this policy seems superfluous. incidentally, might as well have a living will and living trust too to protect your family. When I read it, it seemed specifically targeted towards people without cars who use rideshares and bike a lot. Statistics likely show that traffic accidents in these situations often involve at least one uninsured (or underinsured) party. However, you can't blame them for wanting to insure any and every situation... It's great that they included this EUC guy in one of their graphics. What caught my eye there was how leisurely he's cruising down the street without any padding or protection; nothing but a half helmet so he can continue to sip his Starbucks latte... (Suddenly, the dog attacks and he swerves into the path of the underinsured Uber!) Edited June 3, 2022 by RayRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazybones99 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 6/2/2022 at 6:21 PM, Tawpie said: …not crashing after you encounter unplanned obstacles… potholes, seams, gutter drains, manhole covers. Practice these when there's no traffic, in the neighborhood or in the middle of the night if you have to. This is helpful to learn some nimbleness. One of the guys, Law iirc, in Jimmy Chang’s YT videos intentionally wobbles - to get better at controlling it. Start small but this is good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazybones99 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 6/2/2022 at 8:26 PM, RayRay said: What is the biggest danger to be aware of here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conecones Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 5/20/2022 at 1:29 PM, 360rumors said: Hi all. I'm a newbie and I'm trying to find out what other skills a beginner should learn next. Here are some. Can you list others, preferably in order of priority? Thanks! - Riding slowly (pedestrian pace) - Tight turns - Free mounting on a steep incline - Riding on one leg - Riding backward - Pendulum - 180 degree transition (front to back, back to front) I would add Seated Riding to this list before stuff like backwards riding (dangerous and not very useful for general use). Pendulum and 90 degree pivoting is useful though. Although I don't sit much, I wish I learned seated riding earlier - it teaches you better handling & control over your wheel in a crouched position. A lot of new riders are stiff legged and this is obviously bad for so many reasons but one of the reason they do it is because without developing the right muscles/technique it is easier to wobble with bent legs. Learning seated riding teaches you how to control the wheel while crouched and this is super important for safety at higher speeds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360rumors Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 7 hours ago, conecones said: it teaches you better handling & control over your wheel in a crouched position Thanks I didn't know that! Gives me motivation to learn it soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, 360rumors said: Gives me motivation to learn it soon! One of the nice things about the S18 is that you don't *require* a seat to sit down... you can sit on it directly. It helps to have padding, no doubt about it, but the wheel is high enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Bending over to pick something from ground also is good.. I time to time crouch/bend down to fix up my knee guard position.. They go little bit sideways over time. Guess i learned it by doing that.. Little nuisance became something good. Doh i don't do that at "high" speed, as my eyes goes away from road.. It's also funny as we ride on euc - we are much taller than regular human height. Most trees are hanging right at our head level, or even lower. You need to duck down regularly - i have been doing that, without second thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tawpie said: One of the nice things about the S18 is that you don't *require* a seat to sit down... you can sit on it directly. It helps to have padding, no doubt about it, but the wheel is high enough already. I tried sitting on my 18xl once - my butt hurt. Doh the handle button goes right in the "butt grove" Great lock in mechanism. Edited June 9, 2022 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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