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Does it Matter What Battery Size on the Mten3 I Buy?


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Hi,

I am looking to buy an mten3 as a second wheel in addition to my 18xl (which I bought two weeks ago and have since become addicted). The two options are: 1. 84v 512 wh battery and 2. 67.2v 420 wh battery. The price difference is about $180 dollars. Does the range difference actually matter (as it looks like 1.5 miles difference if I did the math right)? Would there be other, more important reasons to buy the better battery like faster acceleration or more stability?

Thanks in advance!

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36 minutes ago, RamonatheCat said:

Hi,

I am looking to buy an mten3 as a second wheel in addition to my 18xl (which I bought two weeks ago and have since become addicted). The two options are: 1. 84v 512 wh battery and 2. 67.2v 420 wh battery. The price difference is about $180 dollars. Does the range difference actually matter (as it looks like 1.5 miles difference if I did the math right)? Would there be other, more important reasons to buy the better battery like faster acceleration or more stability?

Thanks in advance!

As at ewheels website is stated that the 84V version goes faster and the mention just "one 800W motor" i'd guess it's exactly the same motor.

If so the range factor at the same speed would be quite about 512 Wh/420 Wh.

Of course going faster with the 84V version needs more energy and eats up battery faster.

But here should be enough mten riders to give real experience with these wheels?!

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I got the 67V/420 Wh model. For what I use the MTen for, it's plenty fine. You 'can' go pretty fast on the little beastie, but I keep my alarms at 16 mph and only go that fast when the battery is pretty full. It dumped me on my face at 14 mph when the battery was about 46%.

Consequently, my MTen is used for going backwards, for picking up trash in the neighborhood, for goofing around, and for the occasional jogging speed low-gear outing. Nothing more—so not having safety headroom is no longer a thing. I get 10 miles before the battery is 1/2 gone, after that I get very paranoid!

You should definitely get one, it's a different experience than the 18". Just be mindful that just because it's a wheel doesn't mean you can drive it like a Sherman.

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58 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

I got the 67V/420 Wh model. For what I use the MTen for, it's plenty fine. You 'can' go pretty fast on the little beastie, but I keep my alarms at 16 mph and only go that fast when the battery is pretty full. It dumped me on my face at 14 mph when the battery was about 46%.

Consequently, my MTen is used for going backwards, for picking up trash in the neighborhood, for goofing around, and for the occasional jogging speed low-gear outing. Nothing more—so not having safety headroom is no longer a thing. I get 10 miles before the battery is 1/2 gone, after that I get very paranoid!

You should definitely get one, it's a different experience than the 18". Just be mindful that just because it's a wheel doesn't mean you can drive it like a Sherman.

Thanks for sharing your experience on this! Ill probably set my speed limit around 15-16 also which currently and weirdly feels extremely fast on my 18xl for some reason (maybe cause I'm new to eucs).  It sounds like a really, really fun wheel to have (mten3). I'm almost definitely going to buy one. I will be cautious below 50% battery, getting dumped face forward sounds pretty gnarly. I'm leaning toward the bigger battery now, maybe it's less likely to spill the rider and a little extra acceleration and range can't be a bad thing I guess. 

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11 minutes ago, RamonatheCat said:

I'm leaning toward the bigger battery now, maybe it's less likely to spill the rider and a little extra acceleration and range can't be a bad thing I guess. 

Good thoughts. If the cost doesn't prevent you, always go for bigger batteries... they do provide additional safety. I couldn't justify the cost hit—an MCM5 would have been nearly the same price as the 84V/512wH and for that money I'd have gone with the MCM because it's quite a bit more capable. The lack of battery definitely restricts my uses for the MTen, but I don't mind. I have other wheels that are also kind of 'special purpose' too, and neither of them fill the MTen's niche.

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I also have a pair of the 67v mtens. If yuo arent a heavy person, the 67v is just fine. You MUST realize the mten is NOT to be used like a cruiser wheel. @Tawpiepretty much summed it up. Its a gotway, so the alarms are not overly conservative. I run up to top speed beeps on full baterry momentarily from time to time, but its NOT a wheel for that. Honestly, my mten sees about 10mph or less, 90% of the time. I dont ride for LONG periods, as the small wheel does make the feet tired in short order. I have big pedals, but i think its more to do with how actively you have to pilot the thing. Twitchy wheels arent hard to ride, they just require a little more diligence.  As for range. I dont know if more battery is a LOT more range. I definitely know that more battery would not mean I could ride it much differently. I purchased the 67v models, as they were under $500 and Im a light weight. I dont think you can go wrong with either, unless you are pushing over 160lbs. I've a few vids in my signature of how I goof off with the mtens. Luckily mine have both proven to be pretty tough too.

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3 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I also have a pair of the 67v mtens. If yuo arent a heavy person, the 67v is just fine. You MUST realize the mten is NOT to be used like a cruiser wheel. @Tawpiepretty much summed it up. Its a gotway, so the alarms are not overly conservative. I run up to top speed beeps on full baterry momentarily from time to time, but its NOT a wheel for that. Honestly, my mten sees about 10mph or less, 90% of the time. I dont ride for LONG periods, as the small wheel does make the feet tired in short order. I have big pedals, but i think its more to do with how actively you have to pilot the thing. Twitchy wheels arent hard to ride, they just require a little more diligence.  As for range. I dont know if more battery is a LOT more range. I definitely know that more battery would not mean I could ride it much differently. I purchased the 67v models, as they were under $500 and Im a light weight. I dont think you can go wrong with either, unless you are pushing over 160lbs. I've a few vids in my signature of how I goof off with the mtens. Luckily mine have both proven to be pretty tough too.

Ah, thanks for the input! I am actually a fairly heavy person at 180-185 lbs, so would you maybe recommend either the bigger battery or an mcm5? Tawpie just mentioned that and it looks like it has really really good specs from what I can see in like 5 minutes of research, only downside maybe being the weight at like 37 lbs. With that said, it seems like the mten3 whatever battery size has is pretty strong and I'd basically be using it for fun and short rides rather than trying to commute or do long trips on it. 

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Perhaps the MCM5 gang can jump in here, but since you're a more typical rider weight I'd seriously consider the MCM. The MTen's axel isn't terribly strong. For us bantam featherweights it's not an issue, but for others it's yet another reason to consider sizing up.

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The MCM isnt the same experience as an mten. Its a dandy wheel too, but its enough bigger that you are compromising size and weight for strength and range. At 180lbs tho, you may have to make that choice. Im betting the mten COULD do you fine, but Im also betting you're gna be putting it near the top of its ability to stay in one piece. If you dont want to have to be overly careful with the wheel, I would suspect the McM5 may find you better. I've ridden an mcm5 and its pretty much an mten on roids. Its still not a great wheel for distance traveling/commute, but its a damn fine wheel and is a little bit more stable at higher speeds than an mten. If I HAD to tell you one or the other, I'd probably tell you to go for the McM5. Even at a mere 130lbs, I make my mten groan regularly when riding in softer grasses or pulling steep hills. Yup, its not a speed wheel, nor a massive climber. Its pretty much a wheel that focuses on being the least it has to, to get the job done. You know, like the last High schooler you hired and overpaid...:smartass:

Fwiw, an 18XL and an mten/Mcm5 will keep you perfectly content, until you want to start acting like a motorycycle and mingle with traffic.

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1 hour ago, Unipilot69 said:

I got the 67volt/420wh version from Euco almost a year ago. The cost jump for the 84 volt/512wh wasn't worth it. I've yet to kill my version. I usually zip around at 15mph being careful of imperfections. I'm 6'2" and around 250 pounds.

That is exceptionally good news to hear. So there's the proof. Well, IF we could assume that all 67v mtens were created equal. Im glad to hear that yours handles 250lbs up to 15mph. It must mean that I've grown accustomed to allowing a lot of headroom, or that I worry too much...:thumbup:

With @Unipilot69 saying it can handle a responsible 250, I'd like to change my suggestion to @RamonatheCat from the mcm5 back to the 67v mten. Me, I dont hardly ride past 10mph and steady. I use the 18xl for traveling like that. Both my 18xl and mten seem to take a** kickings pretty good too. RollNZ makes a dandy mten cover, but its a healthy invest when you are comparing wheel cost.

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1 hour ago, ShanesPlanet said:

That is exceptionally good news to hear. So there's the proof. Well, IF we could assume that all 67v mtens were created equal. Im glad to hear that yours handles 250lbs up to 15mph. It must mean that I've grown accustomed to allowing a lot of headroom, or that I worry too much...:thumbup:

With @Unipilot69 saying it can handle a responsible 250, I'd like to change my suggestion to @RamonatheCat from the mcm5 back to the 67v mten. Me, I dont hardly ride past 10mph and steady. I use the 18xl for traveling like that. Both my 18xl and mten seem to take a** kickings pretty good too. RollNZ makes a dandy mten cover, but its a healthy invest when you are comparing wheel cost.

That is rly cool to hear because the mten seems more portable and a nicer contrast to an 18xl than an mcm5! Thanks @Unipilot69 for the personal experience and @ShanesPlanet for the input/help.  I might go with a $700 one from chicway.shop, and may also got a ninebot e+ for riding in the rain (something I'm too scared to actually use my 18xl for at this point.)

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Not to complicate your decision-making but fwiw, I rode my 512wh 84v mten3 hundreds of miles for the better part of this year, and I would say a large chunk of those miles were at 17 to 22 miles an hour. I used to weigh 240, and would often go to the store and come back with a backpack weighing 20 to 40 lb.

I also ride an 18XL now and love it -- it is just so much fun to carve! -- but I miss my Mten3 and definitely will be buying another by next spring.  There's no way I would get anything less then 512wh 84v. 

I've heard a number of people say that it is squirrely at higher speeds. With my first hundred miles on the Wheel I found I enjoyed higher speeds more when both my feet were kind of wedged against the ankle pads, which made for a more predictable ride. As I rode more and more I got used to the hyper maneuverability and just enjoyed standing on the pedals with a wider stance at every speed, my legs barely touching the wheel. People say the 67 volt version with a smaller battery is bargain and I think I would agree. But even if I weighed 155 lb I would get the same wheel. A little bit more safety overhead, higher speeds and definitely better range, if you still have the choice I don't think you can go wrong with getting the version with the highest ceiling.

 

PS: Be careful riding at night! And try to spend at least 30 to $70 on a 3000 to 11000 lumen flashlight if you find yourself enjoying night rides. I loved riding at night mostly because I had the roads almost completely to myself, but I was a little slow to have it sink in just how inadequate the mten3's headlight is. I went through three tires hitting potholes that just weren't visible enough, and all were on roads I thought I knew. I rode most of my miles during the day where I never lost a tire though, and I don't think I would lose another one at night with a decent flashlight or two in hand.

 

 

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"I'm not fat; I'm big boned....." E.C.

 

That being said, I'm 190lbs and have a 84v with the 460wh batt. That little Tasmanian devil of a wheel never ceases to amaze! The way it almost effortlessly moves my mass - wow. I feel like Baron Harkonnen floating about~but I digress...

I have yet to venture beyond it's capabilities - I always keep it fully charged.  This is my second wheel and it really serves a unique purpose - I love it!

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, BecauseFun said:

Not to complicate your decision-making but fwiw, I rode my 512wh 84v mten3 hundreds of miles for the better part of this year, and I would say a large chunk of those miles were at 17 to 22 miles an hour. I used to weigh 240, and would often go to the store and come back with a backpack weighing 20 to 40 lb.

I also ride an 18XL now and love it -- it is just so much fun to carve! -- but I miss my Mten3 and definitely will be buying another by next spring.  There's no way I would get anything less then 512wh 84v. 

I've heard a number of people say that it is squirrely at higher speeds. With my first hundred miles on the Wheel I found I enjoyed higher speeds more when both my feet were kind of wedged against the ankle pads, which made for a more predictable ride. As I rode more and more I got used to the hyper maneuverability and just enjoyed standing on the pedals with a wider stance at every speed, my legs barely touching the wheel. People say the 67 volt version with a smaller battery is bargain and I think I would agree. But even if I weighed 155 lb I would get the same wheel. A little bit more safety overhead, higher speeds and definitely better range, if you still have the choice I don't think you can go wrong with getting the version with the highest ceiling.

 

PS: Be careful riding at night! And try to spend at least 30 to $70 on a 3000 to 11000 lumen flashlight if you find yourself enjoying night rides. I loved riding at night mostly because I had the roads almost completely to myself, but I was a little slow to have it sink in just how inadequate the mten3's headlight is. I went through three tires hitting potholes that just weren't visible enough, and all were on roads I thought I knew. I rode most of my miles during the day where I never lost a tire though, and I don't think I would lose another one at night with a decent flashlight or two in hand.

 

 

Appreciate the personal experience/perspective, I also have an 18xl and it feels amazing, comfortable and like a beast in terms of speed and range (given that it's one of the only wheels I've ridden at this point other than an airwheel and my onewheel pint). @Tawpie made a rly good point that I can't stop thinking about whenever I look at the 512 which is why not spend a couple hundred more dollars to get an mcm5 and way better specs (albeit on a 14inch and significantly heavier wheel). Not sure if I'd actually use those specs or not and I do think the extreme small size of the mten3 is awesome.

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I understand your concern over wheel size.  The Mten3 can get quite squirrely at times.  The tire has a tendency to track cracks/seams in the road or sidewalk a bit more than larger wheels but the thing is just a blast to toy with.  For lack of a better analogy - its like a paring knife compared to a chefs knife - choose one according to your task.  Now I know why some people have 5 or 6 wheels!  :w00t2:

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Just now, RamonatheCat said:

I'm a little worried about wheel stability at 10 inches

Oh, no need to be worried. Me and my MTen are unstable as heck at more than 15 mph. Twitchy? Not a strong enough word.

See, it responds to thoughts. You start to imagine you might be thinking about going left and it does, no need to bother with weight transfer or lean. Cracks and creases are the Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountains. Slightly tired legs are instantly detected and you are rewarded with wobbles (haven’t been thrown yet though).

But if you’re going walking speed or slower, it’s almost ethereal. It really does feel like mind control. And it’s actually way more stable than a larger wheel—when you’re at sub walking speed.

By the way, it is always looking for the opportunity to do the Gotway dance and take a literal chunk out of your leg—it demands respect.

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When I was looking for a used 2nd wheel, my first choice was the mcm5 v2 - I found a great used one but the seller totally flaked! Saw a used Mten3 and couldn't pass up the price.  I would still like to have a mcm5 however...

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Let me rephrase that - the Mten3 is not squirrely per se, it's just far more maneuverable and agile - so at first it demands much concentration. After a while, like Tawpie said, it's surreal!!! And you can go really slow.

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9 minutes ago, UniBlab said:

Now I know why some people have 5 or 6 wheels!  :w00t2:

Yeah, I'm starting to think I should get like 5, one to be tiny, one to be waterproof, one to have long range and stability, one with suspension and one that's less tiny but still portable. :efee612b4b:

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Bingo. And one with a killer speaker, one with programmable RGB, one with a display you can read in daylight, one to drop down mountain sides, one on which to mount all manner of accessories... Nobody told me this part when I started.

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1 hour ago, RamonatheCat said:

Appreciate the personal experience/perspective, I also have an 18xl and it feels amazing, comfortable and like a beast in terms of speed and range (given that it's one of the only wheels I've ridden at this point other than an airwheel and my onewheel pint). @Tawpie made a rly good point that I can't stop thinking about whenever I look at the 512 which is why not spend a couple hundred more dollars to get an mcm5 and way better specs (albeit on a 14inch and significantly heavier wheel). Not sure if I'd actually use those specs or not and I do think the extreme small size of the mten3 is awesome.

I think buying new makes it a tougher decision considering the mten3 84v 512 and the mcm5 v2 aren't that far apart in price. I was lucky to find my mten3 locally for only $500 (and It ultimately sold for 750 shipped but that's another story lol). Mcm5s used usually go for a little higher I think. 

I wish I could ask myself about 6 months from now what I think about the difference between my mten3 84v and my mcm5 v2. I definitely plan to have both and hope I'm able to get rid of one eventually, although I'm not guessing it will be easy. I can say that while an added trolley handle might be nice, I never found myself needing one for the Mten3 mostly because it was so easy to toss in a shopping cart where it took up little room. I also popped it in my backpack enough times to make that a useful thing. 

Perhaps the tie breaker for you might be how much you envision going off road. The mten3 with its lower pedal clearance and 10 inch tire made the few trails close by all but unrideable for me. Here in the Northeast with all of the rocks and the roots on the trails I think you really need something larger to make it enjoyable. I think the mcm5 would make for a decent Trail wheel, and with the 3in wide tire mod I'd want to do, I think it would be even better. 

Of course if you've already brought your 18XL on the trails and love it then there would be less need to have a second Trail wheel. I haven't brought my 18xl on Trails yet but it's got a strong 2200 watt motor and is relatively lightweight and nimble so I think it could do well.

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On 12/7/2021 at 2:18 AM, RamonatheCat said:

mten3 as a second wheel in addition to my 18xl

He already has a fullsize 1500wh EUC.

MCM5 is a compromise, too small to go far, too big to feel different (from 18L).

MTen3 84V all the way.
It's a great value not because it's the most wh per dollar, but because it's the most fun per dollar!
ATGATT btw.

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