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[Guest]

So I've done the E+ thing and I want faster. I feel like I've asked this before but cant find it. 

Fastest wheel? and does it just shut off at max speed?

if so 

Fastest wheel that doesn't shut down at max speed ? 

^^^^^ ALSO WITH BIGGEST BATTERY 

 

[esaj]

With those specs (fastest, no shutdown) King Song 18, probably... to be exact, they all probably shutdown at some speed, but KS has tilt-back. Gotway 18" MSuper high speed does not have a tilt-back, but it goes close to 40km/h and then just shuts down   Don't know what the KS 18" 1100W max speed is, above 30km/h at least, closer to 40? Also available with >1kWh batteries.

[OliverH]

KS18 1100W is advertised as 40 km/h but locked on some markets to 30 km/h. Falling at this speeds is no fun.

[zlymex]

Normally, most of the 'shuts down' at high speed are not real shuts down. The more the speed closer to the max, the less the balanced torque it provides. Once it reaches the max speed, the torque become zero(but the wheel still spinning at max speed for sometime) and it is not a balanced vehicle any more making people to think it shuts down.

If we define this(no balanced torque, or too little torque not enough for a rider to balance) as shut down, then Yes, every wheel shuts down at max speed.

The max speed of a EUC is mainly determined by the maker/brand and secondarily by battery status. The max speed of a particular EUC can be roughly measured by so called lift test: power on and lift the EUC letting it spin very fast until it really shut down. In the meantime, measure the max speed by its app or record a video(better with 60fps) and calculate the speed. Below is the screen capture of the max speed of a MSpuer2 HS from its app. Note that app speed is lower than actual speed in this instance.

How to determine the max speed that people can actually achieved without 'shut down'? Apart from the max speed of the wheel, it also related to many factors such as
---- road conditions. Smooth and slightly downhill is ideal.
---- whether conditions. Not too hot, not too cool, tailwind 
---- rider's weight. The lighter the better
---- rider's skill. Light weight and skillful is the ideal situation.
---- battery status(yes I mention it again, just don't forget the voltage sags and BMS shutdown at low battery)

In average situations, I reckon that half the max speed will be very safe leaving 50% torque for spare.  If the ride at two-thirds of the max speed leaving one-third the torque, it will be still safe. I only rode once at three-fourth the max speed leaving only one-fourth the torque. 

So, what is the 100% torque? (max torque)
The max torque of a EUC usually occurs at zero speed and can be sensed by Russian hands or by riding violently back and forth (and holding something firm).
Once you know the max torque of your wheel, you will never apply more than 33% of it when you ride at 67% of the max speed.

[Guest]

14 hours ago, esaj said:

With those specs (fastest, no shutdown) King Song 18, probably... to be exact, they all probably shutdown at some speed, but KS has tilt-back. Gotway 18" MSuper high speed does not have a tilt-back, but it goes close to 40km/h and then just shuts down   Don't know what the KS 18" 1100W max speed is, above 30km/h at least, closer to 40? Also available with >1kWh batteries.

 

14 hours ago, OliverH said:

KS18 1100W is advertised as 40 km/h but locked on some markets to 30 km/h. Falling at this speeds is no fun.

 

8 hours ago, zlymex said:

Normally, most of the 'shuts down' at high speed are not real shuts down. The more the speed closer to the max, the less the balanced torque it provides. Once it reaches the max speed, the torque become zero(but the wheel still spinning at max speed for sometime) and it is not a balanced vehicle any more making people to think it shuts down.

If we define this(no balanced torque, or too little torque not enough for a rider to balance) as shut down, then Yes, every wheel shuts down at max speed.

The max speed of a EUC is mainly determined by the maker/brand and secondarily by battery status. The max speed of a particular EUC can be roughly measured by so called lift test: power on and lift the EUC letting it spin very fast until it really shut down. In the meantime, measure the max speed by its app or record a video(better with 60fps) and calculate the speed. Below is the screen capture of the max speed of a MSpuer2 HS from its app. Note that app speed is lower than actual speed in this instance.

How to determine the max speed that people can actually achieved without 'shut down'? Apart from the max speed of the wheel, it also related to many factors such as
---- road conditions. Smooth and slightly downhill is ideal.
---- whether conditions. Not too hot, not too cool, tailwind 
---- rider's weight. The lighter the better
---- rider's skill. Light weight and skillful is the ideal situation.
---- battery status(yes I mention it again, just don't forget the voltage sags and BMS shutdown at low battery)

In average situations, I reckon that half the max speed will be very safe leaving 50% torque for spare.  If the ride at two-thirds of the max speed leaving one-third the torque, it will be still safe. I only rode once at three-fourth the max speed leaving only one-fourth the torque. 

So, what is the 100% torque? (max torque)
The max torque of a EUC usually occurs at zero speed and can be sensed by Russian hands or by riding violently back and forth (and holding something firm).
Once you know the max torque of your wheel, you will never apply more than 33% of it when you ride at 67% of the max speed.

I find that I am riding my E+ at top speed constant beeping all the time even when going up and down hills,  I fight to stay on when I go too fast as the balance in the pedals shifts violently forward and back, doesn't shut down though. 

Can you private message me where I am able to buy any of those wheels @esaj thanks 

[esaj]

1 minute ago, eurider said:

I find that I am riding my E+ at top speed constant beeping all the time even when going up and down hills,  I fight to stay on when I go too fast as the balance in the pedals shifts violently forward and back, doesn't shut down though. 

Can you private message me where I am able to buy any of those wheels @esaj thanks 

 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, esaj said:

 

 

so short answer is no where in canada? 

[esaj]

Just now, eurider said:

so short answer is no where in canada? 

Not to my knowledge, but the list probably doesn't contain even nearly all the resellers in every country, plus the brands the shops sell might change from time to time. If you can't find a domestic reseller, you could try from the US for example, or order directly from China (either from a reseller or from the factory).

[Guest]

1 minute ago, esaj said:

Not to my knowledge, but the list probably doesn't contain even nearly all the resellers in every country, plus the brands the shops sell might change from time to time. If you can't find a domestic reseller, you could try from the US for example, or order directly from China (either from a reseller or from the factory).

I thought you werent able to ship across border anymore because of lipo batts ?  also KS18 says 25kms/h cut out 31  do those specs lie?    thats not much faster as I have screenshotted 25kms/h on my E+

[esaj]

1 minute ago, eurider said:

I thought you werent able to ship across border anymore because of lipo batts ?  also KS18 says 25kms/h cut out 31  do those specs lie?    thats not much faster as I have screenshotted 25kms/h on my E+

Transport by air might be hard or expensive at least currently, by ship it's probably not an issue (but takes a long while). Unless Canada has banned importing Li-Ion (not LiPo) completely?

The 25/31kmh value might be from the older 500W KS18 (there are three now; oldest is 500W, then 800W, newest 1100W motor), somebody with a KS18 can probably confirm the numbers for different wattages. If you want the fastest possible, then the choice is probably MSuper HS (High Speed) -model.

[Guest]

Just now, esaj said:

Transport by air might be hard or expensive at least currently, by ship it's probably not an issue (but takes a long while). Unless Canada has banned importing Li-Ion (not LiPo) completely?

The 25/31kmh value might be from the older 500W KS18 (there are three now; oldest is 500W, then 800W, newest 1100W motor), somebody with a KS18 can probably confirm the numbers for different wattages. If you want the fastest possible, then the choice is probably MSuper HS (High Speed) -model.

oh ok this is what I was looking at https://www.electricunicyclereviews.com/s/advanced-electric-unicycles/king-song-18-800w-820wh.html probably wrong specs though 

[esaj]

4 minutes ago, eurider said:

oh ok this is what I was looking at https://www.electricunicyclereviews.com/s/advanced-electric-unicycles/king-song-18-800w-820wh.html probably wrong specs though 

Here's @Sweet M's first impressions of the 800W model:  

 

 

Speed: Cruised along at anywhere up to 29 kph without issues, warning beeps, or ANY tilt back at all until actually reaching the 30 kph. 

Tilt (Rocker):  With the above settings, tilt back was only experienced at 30 kph (but not at all aggressive).  The aggressiveness does, however, increase in direct proportion to increasing speed beyond the 30 kph. (ie.......the more I exceeded the 30 kph, the more aggressive the tilt back)

Max Speed:  Was able to exceed 30 kph cruising comfortably at 32 kph and maxed out at a little over 22 mph (exactly 35.83 according to the app).  At that max speed, the tilt back was pretty darn aggressive (to the point I no longer felt comfortably safe).  Too scared to push further!  I'd like to stick around in one piece for a while longer to enjoy this thing!  :-)

 

I don't know if it was fixed, but there was some problem with the KS app, where setting the tiltback higher than 30 (or something along those lines) wouldn't stick, although the app would let you set it into something insane (60kmh?).

[Guest]

1 minute ago, esaj said:

Here's @Sweet M's first impressions of the 800W model:  

 

 

Speed: Cruised along at anywhere up to 29 kph without issues, warning beeps, or ANY tilt back at all until actually reaching the 30 kph. 

Tilt (Rocker):  With the above settings, tilt back was only experienced at 30 kph (but not at all aggressive).  The aggressiveness does, however, increase in direct proportion to increasing speed beyond the 30 kph. (ie.......the more I exceeded the 30 kph, the more aggressive the tilt back)

Max Speed:  Was able to exceed 30 kph cruising comfortably at 32 kph and maxed out at a little over 22 mph (exactly 35.83 according to the app).  At that max speed, the tilt back was pretty darn aggressive (to the point I no longer felt comfortably safe).  Too scared to push further!  I'd like to stick around in one piece for a while longer to enjoy this thing!  :-)

 

I don't know if it was fixed, but there was some problem with the KS app, where setting the tiltback higher than 30 (or something along those lines) wouldn't stick, although the app would let you set it into something insane (60kmh?).

Thank you. While I am not able to find the 1100 watt model you speak of with the 1kWH batt , if you run across it I wouldnt mind a link as I would like one 

[esaj]

5 minutes ago, eurider said:

Thank you. While I am not able to find the 1100 watt model you speak of with the 1kWH batt , if you run across it I wouldnt mind a link as I would like one 

Well, I think at least Kingsong France and 1RadWerkstatt sell it, 1RadWerkstatt actually has option for 1500Wh custom batteries if you wan't to go very large   The original largest are 1360Wh.

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KINGSONG FRANCE received already some 1100W 1360wh ( Panasonic batterie NCR18650PF), it is available from tomorrow to ship , you can buy to Gyroroue-shop  http://gyroroue-shop.fr/gyroroue/kingsong-gyroroue-monocylce-18a or Higthem's  http://hightems.eu/monocycles/64-kingsong-ks-18a.html same service in all Europe

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[Guest]

5 minutes ago, esaj said:

Well, I think at least Kingsong France and 1RadWerkstatt sell it, 1RadWerkstatt actually has option for 1500Wh custom batteries if you wan't to go very large   The original largest are 1360Wh.

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KINGSONG FRANCE received already some 1100W 1360wh ( Panasonic batterie NCR18650PF), it is available from tomorrow to ship , you can buy to Gyroroue-shop  http://gyroroue-shop.fr/gyroroue/kingsong-gyroroue-monocylce-18a or Higthem's  http://hightems.eu/monocycles/64-kingsong-ks-18a.html same service in all Europe

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BOOOO I suppose I wasn't expecting a $3500 price tag! I'm willing to pay about 2k canadian for a unit right now, I have other things that need my $$$ attention. guess I'm SOL . Thanks for the links though @esaj

Edit: added words lol 

[esaj]

3 minutes ago, eurider said:

BOOOO I suppose I wasn't expecting a $3500 price tag! I'm willing to pay about 2k canadian for a unit right now, I have other things that need my $$$ attention. guess I'm SOL . Thanks for the links though @esaj

Edit: added words lol 

Yeah, they're pricy, especially with the big batteries. With your budget, I think you could get MSuper 18" with 850Wh batteries (less than $2000US with shipping, I think, $1500 maybe?) if you really need the speed. I think the fastest 16" models are limited to around 30km/h or little over currently.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, esaj said:

Yeah, they're pricy, especially with the big batteries. With your budget, I think you could get MSuper 18" with 850Wh batteries (less than $2000US with shipping, I think, $1500 maybe?) if you really need the speed. I think the fastest 16" models are limited to around 30km/h or little over currently.

I would rather wait. instead of settle,  I just want more speed and power.I know everyone says "when you fall though" but I can bail top speed on a E+ no problem so thats my issue to worry or not to worry about. I would like max speed and power    but I'm not willing to pay the price they are asking 

 

EDIT @esaj if you were to tell me it had a 1kWh batt and did 60km/h  then I would pay whatever most likley 

[esaj]

3 minutes ago, eurider said:

EDIT @esaj if you were to tell me it had a 1kWh batt and did 60km/h  then I would pay whatever most likley 

Unfortunately nothing like that is currently available afaik. At least in stock-models, vee's custom MSuper with LiPos and custom-mainboard is something else, don't know what the current max speed is, but it's fast...  And probably cost a lot more than that KS18 1360Wh.

[Cloud]

25 minutes ago, eurider said:

I would rather wait. instead of settle,  I just want more speed and power.I know everyone says "when you fall though" but I can bail top speed on a E+ no problem so thats my issue to worry or not to worry about. I would like max speed and power    but I'm not willing to pay the price they are asking 

 

EDIT @esaj if you were to tell me it had a 1kWh batt and did 60km/h  then I would pay whatever most likley 

Dont wait for too long, i would be surprised if any manufacturer issues a unicycle that coukd reach 60 kmh.  You are getting into a realm which uncycles are not designed to cover. 

Currently kingsong 18 " 1100 can go up to 40 kph per what kingsong says. I believe its the fastest. I dont think msuper can currently safely reach real 40kph. If you are talking about 1500wh battery,  Distributors will put a $800-1000-$1200 mark up on this model to arrive at a $2200-2500 end user price tag. But wait 6-10 months and the prices will drop, if you want to wait for that it may make sense. However if i were you id get someone right now while waiting for a huge battery powerful unit. If you are uograding from the ninebot e+ speed, an increase in 5 kph doesnt look like much, but trust me it will feel like much. Get a 30kph 800w 520 or 680 wh battery wheel, it will be an upgrade and then wait for something real powerful with huge battery to come down in price,

[dmethvin]

It would be interesting to see how fast you could go on an EUC, or in some sort of "EUC-cross" competition like vee73 has done. I'd watch that sport!

Anything over 30kph is getting way too dangerous as a normal transportation and commuting device. In a lot of the US, an EPAMD can't use the sidewalk if it goes faster than 15mph/24kph, although it might be able to use the bike lanes in some places. Devices that regularly travel faster are probably going to end up in the "motor vehicle" category and be justifiably subject to all sorts of licensing and safety requirements. You'd be crazy to ride at that speed without motorcycle-level protection.

Just in case you think you can "run it off" at 30-40kph, note that the world record for the 100 meters is a speed of about 36kph, and they don't have to worry about going from a rider to a runner in less than a second like an EUC rider would.

[Jag_Rip]

Interesting thread, but I'like to add that its not necessary to quote the post right above your own answer. Makes it unnecessarily hard to read.

Pro-tip: Mark what you want to refer to and a popup should show next to the marked text "quote this"

 

[SuperSport]

7 hours ago, Jag_Rip said:

Pro-tip: Mark what you want to refer to and a popup should show next to the marked text "quote this"

Cool!  Didn't know that...