New Begode "Hero" Suspension Wheel

[AtlasP]

On 8/23/2021 at 9:14 AM, Greg X said:

Ex was rather disappointment, Hero seems more interresting. 

 

On 8/23/2021 at 10:58 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

Is this an EX successor?

According to EUCO's listing for the EX, supposedly "PRODUCTION [of the EX] HAS BEEN PAUSED INDEFINITELY WHILE BEGODE DEVELOPS A NEW SUSPENSION WHEEL [presumably the Hero]." So this is an EX successor and replacement. (Which doesn't necessarily specify/clarify the lineage of its parts, just its place in the lineup.)

Edited August 24, 2021 by AtlasP

[Greg X]

wheels become heavier and heavier these days.... this same with price, expensive or very expensive, or even ridiculously expensive. 

I think most of us would probably like much more than this new superheavy 16" Commander or very heavy Hero with relativelly small battery - something more traditional and cheaper, like upgraded Monster 22" v4 - 2700wh, 31kg, moderate price similiar to Monster v3. 

I know Veteran is planning to launch Abrams, but probably it will be also very heavy and very expensive.   Monster v3 was (and still is) very good, universal wheel in reasonable price, needed just trolley and bigger battery.

It is very strange that Begode didn't make any continuation of this popular model (maybe in the future)  22" is more comfortable than 20" and not as huge as 24". It doesn't need also huge motor. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Greg X

[itsmark]

23 hours ago, Paradox said:

Ewheels mentions their "improved" battery packs.  This might explain it.

I thought you might be right until I just looked at the Commander. Ewheels also uses their "upgraded" battery packs here but the price is listed at similar values as on alienrides. weird 

[AtlasP]

2 hours ago, Greg X said:

wheels become heavier and heavier these days.... this same with price, expensive or very expensive, or even ridiculously expensive. 

Outside the Hero with its peculiarly high price for such a small battery, and outside of the current battery crisis which has/will continue to temporarily increase(d) all prices by a few hundred bucks, overall the $3+k price trend has been centered around the new class of highest-end wheels with over 2500 Wh batteries and aiming for speeds above 40 mph. Otherwise we've still seen new wheel launches in the past year like the V12 or RS (with the traditional ~1800Wh + roughly 40mph ceiling) in the low $2ks the same as always. (So at least it's not new wheels of the same tier being more expensive--rather new wheels of a newer/higher tier are being released as more expensive, while new wheels of the previous tier continue to be launched around the same price as their prior iterations.)

The weight issue though is down squarely to the vocal demand for higher power motors and/or larger battery capacities. None of these companies can release a new revision of an existing wheel with a lighter, lower power motor or lighter, more middle-of-the-road battery capacity or there are pitchforks.

(The V12 with its polish and performance at 'only' 64lbs and for only $2199 [$2099 at launch, since raised a bit due to the battery crisis] continues to look better and better for the majority of riders in comparison to many of these recent announcements--particularly in weight and price.)

Edited August 24, 2021 by AtlasP

[gon2fast]

Recycled Tech -

Suspension = S18

Front light = KS & IM

Motor/Rim/Tire = Veteran

Display = Veteran

Trolley Handle = Veteran

Partial Seat = Veteran

Weather Proofing = all other vendors since 2017

New Aspect of Wheel

$4k+ price tag

I kid, it is good that GW/BG/BP is trying to catch up on other aspects of their wheels besides performance (though they should enlist some outside help to assist with proper power button placement).

I will be very interested if I can run my MSP batteries in a 0whr Hero (if they make it an option).

[gon2fast]

After I took a big ole dump on it, I finally find the picture I have been looking for all day. Seems like the internal frame is made of steel which does make it quite a offroad force to be dealt with (and rather expensive to produce). -

[fbhb]

40 minutes ago, gon2fast said:

Seems like the internal frame is made of steel which does make it quite a offroad force to be dealt with (and rather expensive to produce). -

 

I'd personally be waiting for the thoroughly in depth strip down by EcoDrift to find out if that is "real steel" or the usual cheap ass, porous castings we have become All Too familiar with!

My bet is the later, GotWay/Begode/Extreme Bull et al, definitely Does Not do "rather expensive to produce" but still hiking up the price anyway in this instance, unfortunately!  

EcoDrift really Do Not hold back on their thoughts regarding poorly engineered components, No matter what the brand so will likely point out and document All the failings.

Edited August 25, 2021 by fbhb

[mrelwood]

50 minutes ago, gon2fast said:

Seems like the internal frame is made of steel

That slab somehow makes me think that the first prototype must’ve rode wonky as hell, and they redesigned it with the boss breathing down the engineers next, repeating that “next version is NO wonky!”

32 minutes ago, fbhb said:

or the usual cheap ass, porous castings

I wouldn’t be too concerned either way. It does seem having enough material to be able to do it’s job whether it’s made of steel or pot.

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

3 hours ago, fbhb said:

I'd personally be waiting for the thoroughly in depth strip down by EcoDrift to find out if that is "real steel" or the usual cheap ass, porous castings we have become All Too familiar with!

I'm sure it's same porous casting as always. But I'm fine with that, because I wouldn't buy this wheel for various reasons. 

[fbhb]

18 hours ago, EUC Custom Power-Pads said:

I'm sure it's same porous casting as always. But I'm fine with that, because I wouldn't buy this wheel for various reasons

Please don't confuse my comments above with me having the least bit of interest in buying it either, but for me it is for a multitude of reasons (in fact, if I had it given to me for Free, I'd hand it straight back! )

The S20 is the ONLY New wheel option on my radar and will No Doubt be my next wheel purchase, at some point in the future!

Edited August 26, 2021 by fbhb

[winterwheel]

The "I hate Begode wheels" thing is getting a bit monotonous.

[Heyzeus]

3 hours ago, winterwheel said:

The "I hate Begode wheels" thing is getting a bit monotonous.

To be fair, they did it to themselves.

I look forward to seeing how this wheel is machined out of steel/has a steel frame(possibly) and is super solid yet getting the inevitable post about how gotway used a plastic bolt/bracket or some super shit bearing or cheaping out on one part somewhere that causes the suspension to lock up or rebound slow or the plastic shell to crack or any number of ridiculous things that wouldn't happen had they spent $0.50 more on a part.

Also to be fair, king song screwed up with their shit bearings in the s18 initially and inmotion had saddle cracking problems and bearing rust issues with the v11 initially.

Take away: 1st/2nd batch wheels are the game of someone with lots of maintenance experience and/or money to burn(perhaps literally with gotways recent record)

If I was a millionaire I would buy all the new wheels to try out because why not...but I'm not so I let you guys do that and live vicariously.  Thank you for service (salutes early adopters)

Edited August 25, 2021 by Heyzeus

[winterwheel]

I guess I'm one of those, not intentionally but looking at my collection the EXes, RS, S-18, and 18xl are all first batch wheels so...you're welcome!

[Ben-To]

3 hours ago, Heyzeus said:

 

Take away: 1st/2nd batch wheels are the game of someone with lots of maintenance experience and/or money to burn(perhaps literally with gotways recent record)

 

Oh, I was going to wait for a 2nd batch S20 - 3rd batch is safest then?

[Heyzeus]

4 hours ago, Ben-To said:

Oh, I was going to wait for a 2nd batch S20 - 3rd batch is safest then?

3rd times the charm they say.

2nd batch may be fine if the 1st batch is shown to have few or no problems.

When I buy most technical things I wait a couple months after release to see what bugs there are and if the manufacturer has done anything about those found.  As much as I would like to early adopt it's too much of a headache, don't like to do it with phones/computers/other electronics, let alone something that could seriously injure me if some idiot used hot glue where they shouldn't have.

 

Think of it like this:

1st batch = Find out what the problems are, buy if you have disposable DGAF money.

2nd batch= See if they fixed the problems from 1st batch, buy if you are confident the problems will be fixed or if the problems were very minor

3rd batch = same as 2nd batch if they fixed the problems with possible additional minor refinements, buy if you are confident the problems in the 2nd batch will be fixed or if the problems were very minor

and so on.

Once something seems to be stable and have minor issues and good reviews then I buy the item manufactured after that point.

[RagingGrandpa]

Glad to see the trolley handle vulnerability doesn't apply to Hero

https://www.facebook.com/feichebiao/videos/4164606490314242

[Rawnei]

2 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said:

Glad to see the trolley handle vulnerability doesn't apply to Hero

As long as you don't try to reproduce it at home you are safe! 😉😁

[div]

Nice if they found a way to seal the trolley. You could probably shower any EUC without it cutting immediately though, it might still cutout or burn some weeks later.

The fact GW seem to be looking at the question is good anyhow

[Heyzeus]

13 minutes ago, div said:

Nice if they found a way to seal the trolley. You could probably shower any EUC without it cutting immediately though, it might still cutout or burn some weeks later.

The fact GW seem to be looking at the question is good anyhow

right?

Remember when they showed the nikola riding in the ocean in initial marketing vids

I'm sure they got back and threw that unit in the dumpster after a short while.

 

[meepmeepmayer]

Next week: Gotway factory mysteriously burns down

Wasn't there a similar video before where they showed some wheel being hosed down?

[Heyzeus]

17 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Next week: Gotway factory mysteriously burns down

Wasn't there a similar video before where they showed some wheel being hosed down?

You know, I can't blame gotway, If their wheels are gonna catch fire anyways they probably figure they should get some good footage of them spraying them down with water before they go roman candle 

Edited August 28, 2021 by Heyzeus

[AtlasP]

1 hour ago, Heyzeus said:

You know, I can't blame gotway, If their wheels are gonna catch fire anyways they probably figure they should get some good footage of them spraying them down with water before they go roman candle 

Hey now, it's an insult to Roman craftmanship to compare 'roman candles' to Begode's construction.. ;-p

[mike_bike_kite]

1 hour ago, Heyzeus said:

Remember when they showed the nikola riding in the ocean in initial marketing vids

I'm sure they got back and threw that unit in the dumpster after a short while.

I don't think there is a more waterproof wheel than the Nikola. With most wheels the designers have a choice of providing venting for cooling or making it waterproof. On the Nik they went for waterproof and the whole wheel is completely sealed all the way round. It's difficult to see where water could even get in - perhaps through the speakers? Puddles and rain aren't an issue on the Nik but I still wouldn't recommend riding any wheel in the ocean.

One huge advantage the Hero does have over the S20 is that it's a real wheel and not a 3D model on a computer somewhere. 

[eucVibes]

I’m impressed with waterproofing but s20 still looks 100x better

Edited August 28, 2021 by eucVibes

[mrelwood]

5 hours ago, eucVibes said:

I’m impressed with waterproofing but s20 still looks 100x better

Wow, you probably like the Hero more than anyone else around here!