How tall and how heavy is Chooch?

[SanDiegoGuy]

Does anyone know how tall and how heavy is Chooch?  I am asking this because with his height and weight, he seems to be able to ride any sized wheels with ease. 

I am only 5' 5" (65 inches) tall and weigh only 130 lbs.  I find that riding heavy and tall wheels is more difficult than smaller less heavy wheels. 

Do I just need to practice more to get better or will I be limited due to my size and the law of physics? 

[Denny Paul]

Riding a bigger wheel takes more effort than a smaller wheel for anyone. The exception being if you’re substantially tall or heavy.

you need to practice and commit to having your body weight lean more. And you can do this up to a certain point —until both your heels are lifting off the pedals. 

Once you catch yourself doing this, you need powerpads and/or longer foot plates to extract more power from the wheel. I personally don’t like riding with powerpads and can get buy just fine with long pedals, but then again I’ve got an extra 50 pounds of flab for leverage. Lighter people need more help getting the same leverage as someone who is heavy, and will likely benefit more from powerpads than most would. 
 

edit: I dunno how heavy chooch is, but I hope I addressed the real meat of what you’re wondering. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Denny Paul

[Tawpie]

He’s not a big guy… some of his videos include his truck so you can get a sense of scale. He seems to be able to adapt to the big wheels but does hang off to the sides pretty far—his style is very loose so he doesn’t have issues. I’d bet with practice and technique you would get along just fine with a large wheel.

[Paul A]

Placing feet further forward on the pedals moves body center of gravity.

Maybe try having ankles at center of pedals, aligned with the vertical center line of the wheel.  Feet position in relation to the wheel, not the pedals.

Only small movements of a body lean needed to move center of gravity and generate a large response from the wheel.  Easier and safer than lifting heels from contact surface of pedal.

[The Fat Unicyclist]

From memory, Chooch is (or at least used to be) 60-65 kg (~130-145 lb).

Not sure on the height though...

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13 hours ago, SanDiegoGuy said:

Does anyone know how tall and how heavy is Chooch?  I am asking this because with his height and weight, he seems to be able to ride any sized wheels with ease. 

I am only 5' 5" (65 inches) tall and weigh only 130 lbs.  I find that riding heavy and tall wheels is more difficult than smaller less heavy wheels. 

Do I just need to practice more to get better or will I be limited due to my size and the law of physics? 

Its a matter of style and conditioning above most other factors. I weigh 130lbs and can handle my sherm decently. I can take off and stop like a madmaan imho. The more I ride, the stronger I get. Along with strength, we learn to lean more. Chooch and others similar, are euc nutjobs. If you live on an euc like they do, you would wonder why people are having a hard time riding ANY of them. You are plenty heavy enough to overpower even a sherman, you just gotta do it right/wrong.

Fwiw, as I get stronger, I no longer need lift my heels. Its all about your ability to lean that weight yet support yourself. At times I get off my heels, but this is in deep grass or hard climbs. I no longer do this for most riding, as I once had to. I also move around on my plates a LOT more than I used to. Way off the front for uphill and speed runs, more to the back as I go downhill. Power pads allow you to use leverage along with weight. Once you lock into  wheel, it gets even easier to wring the power from it. I suggest physical conditioning first, THEN pads for leverage to assist, not replace your weight shift abilities. Im only a couple years in and maybe 2,000 miles total. I still can tell I have a LONG way to go, to be physically able to ride how I wished I could. It doesnt help that I don't focus, merely enjoy....

Edited August 16, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[SanDiegoGuy]

6 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Its a matter of style and conditioning above most other factors. I weigh 130lbs and can handle my sherm decently. I can take off and stop like a madmaan imho. The more I ride, the stronger I get. Along with strength, we learn to lean more. Chooch and others similar, are euc nutjobs. If you live on an euc like they do, you would wonder why people are having a hard time riding ANY of them. You are plenty heavy enough to overpower even a sherman, you just gotta do it right/wrong.

Fwiw, as I get stronger, I no longer need lift my heels. Its all about your ability to lean that weight yet support yourself. At times I get off my heels, but this is in deep grass or hard climbs. I no longer do this for most riding, as I once had to. I also move around on my plates a LOT more than I used to. Way off the front for uphill and speed runs, more to the back as I go downhill. Power pads allow you to use leverage along with weight. Once you lock into  wheel, it gets even easier to wring the power from it. I suggest physical conditioning first, THEN pads for leverage to assist, not replace your weight shift abilities. Im only a couple years in and maybe 2,000 miles total. I still can tell I have a LONG way to go, to be physically able to ride how I wished I could. It doesnt help that I don't focus, merely enjoy....

Thanks for the encouragement and suggestion.  I do mountain biking 2-3 times per week and do hard long uphill climbs as well as fun down hill.  I just started again riding my Z10 after 2 years of not touching my wheel and in my recent group ride I had trouble using (trying out) other taller and heavier wheels from other riders.  Granted that I have muscle memory of using the Z10 which is unlike any other 3-2 inch-width wheel and probably contributed to me having a hard time using those other taller/heavier wheels. 

The reason that I worry about my height and weight is because I just pre-ordered the Inmotion V12 which is a taller and heavier wheel than my Z10 and I do not know if I can ride it well.  I guess I have to practice more on the V12 when I receive it to compensate for my muscle memory of the Z10. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by SanDiegoGuy

[RockyTop]

Back in the Ninebot days he said he was 120 pounds. Years later He said 130 pounds. I think he is 5’6”.  I am not sure if that is with or without boots. 

[SanDiegoGuy]

1 minute ago, RockyTop said:

Back in the Ninebot days he said he was 120 pounds. Years later He said 130 pounds. I think he is 5’6”.  I am not sure if that is with or without boots. 

As I get older, I gained some weight.  I should actually be shorter now as I grow older, not gain another 1 inch in height. 

Since 2018, I still have my Z10 though.  It is a classic now, in EUC standard. 😁

[RockyTop]

As @ShanesPlanet said, It is all about technique. I am 220 pounds. I have always been able to use just my weight to control the wheel. ...., Until the Sherman came out. The Sherman made me understand what other people were talking about. The solution is technique and a good set of pads. Now that I figured that out. I like the weight. 

[Zopper]

I’ve seen a little girl with a decent control of a V10. The EUC might be about two thirds of her own weight and yet she is able to ride it even in a light offroad. It’s physically exhausting for her, though, because she has to move all around a lot.

[Neil Dymesich]

In this video he says at 7:42 that he is 5'6" and 130 lbs. 

 

[DavidB]

On 8/15/2021 at 5:57 PM, SanDiegoGuy said:

Does anyone know how tall and how heavy is Chooch?  I am asking this because with his height and weight, he seems to be able to ride any sized wheels with ease. 

I am only 5' 5" (65 inches) tall and weigh only 130 lbs.  I find that riding heavy and tall wheels is more difficult than smaller less heavy wheels. 

Do I just need to practice more to get better or will I be limited due to my size and the law of physics? 

 it is just practice... here is a 3 year old making an Mten3 look big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV23P_44CLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNgFYghktIk

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by DavidB

[Nostris]

18 hours ago, Neil Dymesich said:

In this video he says at 7:42 that he is 5'6" and 130 lbs. 

 

It's interesting given the reported problems with the V12, that Chooch, Adam Wrong Way and other YouTubers wring the necks of their V12’s without any cutout problems at all.. It makes me think that the problem with the V12 is not in it’s design but probably that InMotion have had some defective FETs supplied to them…which given the shortage of electronic components in China at the moment is quite possible. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if some other manufacturers start to have some similar problems. 

[xiiijojjo]

On 8/15/2021 at 8:13 PM, Denny Paul said:

Riding a bigger wheel takes more effort than a smaller wheel for anyone. The exception being if you’re substantially tall or heavy.

you need to practice and commit to having your body weight lean more. And you can do this up to a certain point —until both your heels are lifting off the pedals. 

Once you catch yourself doing this, you need powerpads and/or longer foot plates to extract more power from the wheel. I personally don’t like riding with powerpads and can get buy just fine with long pedals, but then again I’ve got an extra 50 pounds of flab for leverage. Lighter people need more help getting the same leverage as someone who is heavy, and will likely benefit more from powerpads than most would. 
 

edit: I dunno how heavy chooch is, but I hope I addressed the real meat of what you’re wondering. 

Best description of when one needs pads, i've seen here so far. 

However i'll add this. Even people who are on the heavier side will benefit from using them eventually. However first getting used to pads and finding the perfect position for for them scare a few people away as it almost did to me, but after giving them a chance, not having them would be as weird to me as operating a car without a steering wheel. 

I think the reason power pads are more easily dismissed by riders on the heavy side is because, as you so brilliantly stated 

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I personally don’t like riding with powerpads and can get buy just fine with long pedals, but then again I’ve got an extra 50 pounds of flab for leverage

The weight/height ratio of a rider really is alpha omega in how a wheel behaves for said individual, and in this case also how much they need to leverage themselves for certain levels of acceleration. As i lost weight i actually had to move my front power pads (for braking for accelerating) ever so slightly forward (less them 2cm) and angle the front power pad slightly more aggressively to accommodate for the, now more extreme angle of my shin considering that it's going farther forward now. 

 

Personally i think any person of almost any height/weight ratio can ride all models of EUC ever made, it's only really a question of how well and how safe they can do it. I mean i have seen videos of a child no older than 9 riding on a monster if i recall, to the point where he was riding seating while standing, that's how little height/weight ratio he had. He rode it no problem but ofc slow. I imagine mounting and dismounting wasn't smooth as a result of the vehicle presumably being heavier than the kid, but as with all balance related things this too could be mastered.. There is however one very important thing that kid could not do on the big EUC and that was to swiftly force the EUC to emergency brake, or to make small quick adjustments to avoid stuff, he doesn't have the height/weight ratio, and would fall off backwards if trying to brake too hard or fast, or it'd decelerate too slowly and cause a crash.

In the same vein i cannot recommend the 120kg+ guys to Michael Jackson lean on an Mten, they have too large of a height/weight ratio overpowering the EUC.

When i shop for an EUC or recommend one i always do it based on the weight/height ratio of that person.

I'm personally about 2 meters tall or 6 foot 6 inches, and currently weigh in at 75kg and i have found from owning and trying a number of wheels that the optimal wheel for me would be a 16 inch form factor wheel with identical body width to the tesla, pedal length or lack thereof doesn't affect me if i have power pads.

I started on an 18 inch wheel but weighed about 20kg more the time, same height. It felt perfect to me at the time, to the point where i didn't initially like the 16 form factor when i got the tesla, however i kept riding the tesla as i lost those 20kg's over a couple of years, then when i got the RS19 18 incher i missed the 16 inch wheel again, because it would seem i need those 10-20kg extra to enjoy 18 inchers. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by xiiijojjo

[Eucner]

28 minutes ago, xiiijojjo said:

The weight/height ratio of a rider really is alpha omega in how a wheel behaves for said individual, and in this case also how much they need to leverage themselves for certain levels of acceleration. As i lost weight i actually had to move my front power pads (for braking) ever so slightly forward (less them 2cm) and angle the front power pad slightly more aggressively to accommodate for the, now more extreme angle of my shin considering that it's going farther forward now.

As being lighter you would need less motor power to get the same acceleration as before. No need to move pads. Maybe you just needed a bigger dose of daily adrenaline? I know wheels being addictive.

[xiiijojjo]

14 minutes ago, Eucner said:

As being lighter you would need less motor power to get the same acceleration as before. No need to move pads. Maybe you just needed a bigger dose of daily adrenaline? I know wheels being addictive.

You know i think you're right. At the time i rationalized that i needed to move them forward as i didn't feel i got enough leverage because of my lower weight.. Maybe i just didn't put them far enough forward to begin with.

Edited January 29, 2022 by xiiijojjo