leroadrunner Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, duanew said: I wonder if it was loss of concentration. I learned in the last month and it took me 10 miles before it became even slightly automatic. I could ride pretty easily, but if my mind wandered my legs would do weird things. I about fell off three times. I am at about 40 miles now and it is much easier. Yes, I think so. There was a car turning, there was lots of space but my focus was on the car. I'll have to check, but I think I'm just over 20kms so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Bummer. Take care of yourself. Get well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebigmac Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, leroadrunner said: Yes, I think so. There was a car turning, there was lots of space but my focus was on the car. I'll have to check, but I think I'm just over 20kms so far. I feel this! I’m also in early days learning to ride and I swear that whenever there’s a car or pedestrian or something else that draws my attention away from the pavement in front of me, that’s when the lurking pothole strikes! It’s uncanny! Luckily haven’t fallen at speed yet but I’ve had some scares. Rest up! You’ll be back on that horse soon enough! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted August 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 hours ago, leroadrunner said: Bad news today Very sorry to hear that! I really hope you didn’t hurt yourself enough to give up. If one wants to find positive in this, it could be perspective in a few aspects. - Your 14” wheel is one of the smallest EUCs. It doesn’t have stability or power to speak of in today’s fast cruising focused standards. - The smaller the wheel, the more the rider must focus on the road. Even the tiniest of inconsistencies of the road can turn or tilt the wheel, or otherwise disturb your balance. - Riding in traffic requires focus in other vehicles and pedestrians like with no other mode of transportation. - “Full control” is never achieved on a self-balancing single wheeled vehicle. We are dancing on a knife’s edge. I’ve ridden for over 20 thousand miles, and I still learn. - Combining a beginner rider, small wheel, and even light traffic is a risky endeavor. Besides learning riding, one must learn when to focus on the road and when on other traffic, and especially when to switch between the two. As you get better, you can keep the focus away from the road for longer and longer. That’s when you get safer riding in traffic, not by riding skill alone. Learning to ride is a long road, and you have barely even started. Be humble and smart about it all, and you can enjoy the freedom of riding without interruptions like this! I hope your injuries heal fast! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Shit happens. No biggie... It takes a few months for your leg muscles to really beef up, no matter what you do. Just keep at it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Custom made to measure, full grain leather motorcycle suits, high quality, great price, complete full body protection, available via numerous ebay drop shippers. Much better quality and value (probably cheaper too) than an assortment of guards, pads, plastic body armour etc that are not really secured in place with velcro straps in a crash. Leatt knee and shin guards, elbow/knee pads, mesh type jackets with plastic guards, padded pants etc......advantages of lighter weight, might be adequate at lower EUC speeds though. Crashes inevitable, less with experience, keep at it. One listing example. https://www.ebay.com/itm/154292583739?_trkparms=aid%3D1110013%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIMRXI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D233908%26meid%3Ded57d11445c6431eae7053bf70b3b010%26pid%3D101112%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D224551849841%26itm%3D154292583739%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DSIMRVIMLRV5WebV1_0%26brand%3D100%&_trksid=p2563228.c101112.m1982&amdata=cksum%3A154292583739ed57d11445c6431eae7053bf70b3b010|enc%3AAQAGAAAB8KHrVFt3jLg0UbpqtQSkCYkkh202hqgL0IiJcsFztnh4s84IW6gbLMA3trMRTE%2F%2BFyOMXiUyPRbB8qkfnbaLoHpVV190vUIoY70zy51T9M9FeSruQzsKLyUp1wENVAU1l5GqmIaJscyy0joJ6AjqQdnKOg4XONgAymbp%2FhG%2FQhJML7lMr9wNl2%2BbOIS4IsyeqlhJNCInQjqpM%2F%2FT2PfTEH05ZbfwVXeOZC%2BXc8hRh47ZT3abq9n569Hmfd16ofsiYcAARbmA6CeUCpzUKLfN71o%2FW4RD4Fh4UuefSQBOXMzq4mrI7KSqkcd%2FK0bIbZnWOmwPPrbHoA0eNjZJjkmCYGG0UD5x%2B07chHzo4EPwbyCC1ic95vEr5wOHD2ZX9LPrmE5CSp7oxSRM0FwgcG%2FJTK4yu777iR%2B%2B60u75tz0MkSuUF51%2FG6XUdGo9qxzQrXquCIantC%2FMpyCjTGUmfZaqaFx1MC1JhAUlrPH9GipMuBn05mj8OKGSL4LeYiI92J2AJX6bdWaJXO%2F4g5A9hWe3Uy8m6GM1A4uhsCK7c9WnDRMcDOBa4ymDd6FwyCq5tCRJIRDiMogzKrRUE4VveTXiCqZMaoaLYDnpPpFddVPOX788OupYJK2LqPJqp5%2FrzPFO%2FUJNFXGJURHelxlsiqDXfk%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2563228 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroadrunner Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Paul A said: Custom made to measure, full grain leather motorcycle suits, high quality, great price, complete full body protection, available via numerous ebay drop shippers. That's great, thanks. I will definitely get better protection. Love my helmet, but kneepads and all need to be improved from the basic that I have now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euc.Serbia Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Knee and shin protection and wrist protection is first one to get. I also ordered leatt 3df body jacket/armor. Maybe to much for v5, but hope to use soon on bigger wheel. Never to much protection. Better to put protection on road, then my skin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I learned a V5F, for me at least it is one of the harder wheels to learn on, a little undersized and a terrible padding situation. You'll be able to ride any wheel if you can master it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euc.Serbia Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I am trying to master it now 😂😂😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroadrunner Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, winterwheel said: I learned a V5F, for me at least it is one of the harder wheels to learn on, a little undersized and a terrible padding situation. You'll be able to ride any wheel if you can master it. Wow, did not realize it was one of the hardest. I thought it was a beginner wheel. I guess they meant for distance and speed. I may need more padding between my knees, as it often feels loose and I have a hard time pinching it. Still resting, my knees are in mega pain, but it's getting better. Yesterday, I couldn't get up the stairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 hours ago, leroadrunner said: I thought it was a beginner wheel. Definitely not in terms of stability, comfort or stability to traveling. Or to fully grown western adults in general. But for size, weight, and most importantly price, sure. There are reasons why the French acrobat Hirsute uses/used a V5F for his tricks, and it’s not for it’s stability or ease of learning… Quote I may need more padding between my knees, as it often feels loose and I have a hard time pinching it. No! You don’t “pinch” your vehicle while riding. One of the most important skills you have to learn is to be able to relax while riding. Pinching definitely doesn’t fit into the picture. That’s why speed wobbles get worse from squeezing the wheel: the rider’s legs tense up. If more padding would make it easier for you “pinch” the wheel, then maybe don’t add padding? But if the top edge of the wheel hurts your shin while mounting, that’s different, pad it away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroadrunner Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 10:59 PM, mrelwood said: Definitely not in terms of stability, comfort or stability to traveling. Or to fully grown western adults in general. But for size, weight, and most importantly price, sure. There are reasons why the French acrobat Hirsute uses/used a V5F for his tricks, and it’s not for it’s stability or ease of learning… No! You don’t “pinch” your vehicle while riding. One of the most important skills you have to learn is to be able to relax while riding. Pinching definitely doesn’t fit into the picture. That’s why speed wobbles get worse from squeezing the wheel: the rider’s legs tense up. If more padding would make it easier for you “pinch” the wheel, then maybe don’t add padding? But if the top edge of the wheel hurts your shin while mounting, that’s different, pad it away. Thanks, still recovering, but I will try to remember that, I thought I was doing it wrong because the loose was sorta loose between my knees. Specially the "relax" part. On gear recommendation, not sure if I will go the full suit, thinking about it, or just parts. Whats the recommendation for a really good and shin & knee protection beyond the velcro type. I do need something more substantial. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Leatt is a brand popular with EUC riders. Many other brands to choose from. Some guards are reliant on velcro straps, elastic sleeve. They sometimes have a tendency to move around whilst riding though. Maybe also consider boots with ankle protection. Ankles are a complex joint, difficult to repair with surgery. Serious damage may result in permanent disability and unable to walk. Same with wrist protection. Some examples. https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-White-Small-Medium-Guard/dp/B01M4LHHIN/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1D0R7VPYOAY2V&dchild=1&keywords=leatt+knee+guards&qid=1630089149&sprefix=leatte+knee%2Caps%2C445&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1XUD83KNWY8HF&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTDM5WjcyTDM2SFlMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjI0MjQ5MzIyUzNCSkRJNFAxRiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjMxMDg4VlRFQUlZWlNSMlowJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-3DF-Elbow-Guards-White-Black-M/dp/B07H2SPTP4/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=leatt+elbow+guards&qid=1630089331&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-Black-Adult-Chest-Protector/dp/B01MG2N173/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1D0R7VPYOAY2V&dchild=1&keywords=leatt+knee+guards&qid=1630089149&sprefix=leatte+knee%2Caps%2C445&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A1XUD83KNWY8HF&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTDM5WjcyTDM2SFlMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjI0MjQ5MzIyUzNCSkRJNFAxRiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjI2NTQwVkpWMVJWTjFWRDMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-3DF-6-0-Impact-Pants-L/dp/B07DYBZPDD/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=leatt+pants&qid=1630089457&sr=8-2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroadrunner Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Paul A said: Leatt is a brand popular with EUC riders. Many other brands to choose from. Some guards are reliant on velcro straps, elastic sleeve. They sometimes have a tendency to move around whilst riding though. Maybe also consider boots with ankle protection. Ankles are a complex joint, difficult to repair with surgery. Serious damage may result in permanent disability and unable to walk. Same with wrist protection. Some examples. https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-White-Small-Medium-Guard/dp/B01M4LHHIN/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1D0R7VPYOAY2V&dchild=1&keywords=leatt+knee+guards&qid=1630089149&sprefix=leatte+knee%2Caps%2C445&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1XUD83KNWY8HF&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTDM5WjcyTDM2SFlMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjI0MjQ5MzIyUzNCSkRJNFAxRiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjMxMDg4VlRFQUlZWlNSMlowJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-3DF-Elbow-Guards-White-Black-M/dp/B07H2SPTP4/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=leatt+elbow+guards&qid=1630089331&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-Black-Adult-Chest-Protector/dp/B01MG2N173/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1D0R7VPYOAY2V&dchild=1&keywords=leatt+knee+guards&qid=1630089149&sprefix=leatte+knee%2Caps%2C445&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A1XUD83KNWY8HF&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTDM5WjcyTDM2SFlMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjI0MjQ5MzIyUzNCSkRJNFAxRiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjI2NTQwVkpWMVJWTjFWRDMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl https://www.amazon.com/Leatt-3DF-6-0-Impact-Pants-L/dp/B07DYBZPDD/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=leatt+pants&qid=1630089457&sr=8-2 Totally agree, thanks. Great info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Personally I don't prefer to have the wheel loose between my feet. I feel less in control. The soles of my shoes are as close to the wheel as possible. It's easier when you wear sneakers because it so happens that the sole extends outside your feet a bit and thus it doesn't create as much pressure on the ankle as other shoes might. If there's any pain I can move them away a smidge but when riding complicated stuff (potholeridden roads) or in risky environments (dense traffic) I keep them close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 hours ago, alcatraz said: Personally I don't prefer to have the wheel loose between my feet. Feet wide or feet close is about position. What the OP talked about was “pinching” the wheel, which is about action, which requires tensing of muscles. There’s nothing wrong with riding with legs touching the shell, but it’s inarguably wrong to squeeze or “pinch” the wheel for anything other than low speed steep hill climbing for a few seconds. A few reasons why tense legs must be avoided: Beginner wobbles go away when the beginner learns to relax one’s legs. Tired or cramping legs are uncontrollably tense, causing wobbles much easier. If standing too far back, legs are tense from basically standing on the balls on one’s feet, again leading to wobbles. Standing more forward fixes the issue immediately. Panic braking must be practiced, because without practice one usually tense up while quickly starting to brake, again leading to wobbles. Even I notice the last one if a line in the road suddenly turns out being an actual large groove as I get close. If you haven’t practiced crouching, it is an easy method of force starting wobbles, since the normal way of crouching on solid ground lifts the heels up, again requiring tense leg muscles. Once you learn to crouch with heels down, you can relax your leg muscles, and the wobbles no longer appear. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Wearing a mask might be the most important safety gear too. Don't be like Caleb Wallace. Keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroadrunner Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 4:07 AM, Paul A said: Wearing a mask might be the most important safety gear too. Don't be like Caleb Wallace. Keep us updated. I am recovering, I'll try again soon. I think I will order the Leatt stuff, tho I am debating whether to get the full body from ebay, and I like this one as it is flashy too (want to be seen). Any recommendations on boots/ankles protection? So much choice. I would prefer something light and strong and doesnt look like army stuff! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Full body protection with a motorcycle suit is definitely the best, will last a lifetime. Full grain leather is the specification for the best quality and should be used. Check for CE certified protective guards at elbows, knees, shoulder, back. Stitching, zips, zipper quality also important. Custom made to measure ensures a very comfortable fit. Leatt type of assorted gear is components, doesn't cover the body entirely. A crash may involve sliding, tumbling in all directions. It might be a bit fanciful to think that impact will only occur at the precise places where Leatt type guards are shielding. And they might not stay in place. A shorter cut boot style is a bit lighter. A couple of examples: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353393080528?hash=item5247de78d0:g:hiwAAOSwWelgL6z5 https://www.ebay.com/itm/233847733759?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Db0e8c39855614d5c9d2cb74124de15ae%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D193875840886%26itm%3D233847733759%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A233847733759b0e8c39855614d5c9d2cb74124de15ae|enc%3AAQAGAAACELT3AC2eUjQE8J8bnawHoY2%2FcaaL8iWC6rP1xHgmxJxraXiO1i9HDIyXvY1qzu7jXWwTcCdltZ%2BrS5e5nyfpPgJ0udOyGZyYaBVAaOMtzhg4B%2F1YrPmHnzZ%2FeumyMJNUNlfNxUNMKRx2Kg29j1mOqhFt%2BxGj0dz%2BWng4he%2FwxHzsEqZeNEfKwh1Hata2rV3BhatvDdrqn%2B6BH%2BlAQgF2HFXyOXbkSWdZYEjJR%2B1%2FElzkOvweYJMFiNXvTvs7YRZhse4sk4ZTRnklAL5pNHwu0M%2BokFm2VfUuiBXlGwfZ3jwXvyCbo9NrR5pqOSGEZgIbT3AwsoaGmXn%2FnTocWdbj4wprWPZ%2BjDgRBuTYvmHb4RiCx%2Ff2AseCPEgDuUDNGyzW2s7ZbPLHloNlAnDRwPeQO0mp6oDoSZmwbEj77DHDVFYgamjtQImTqeWZ5WBd9NMIACForVpytxmaT5IMw%2Fce4RLEKV8p5r2zXoenTGhDP4GypmO1aIh4%2ByrrxL3NyOoV8%2FxGC0jP0tNPE3mTasafnexlt%2Fg9vGAqMPSW%2Fg%2BxJiRhJDbb%2FrLToSmeGWBOhMWRhFe0XD7FruQZqRJir7htc2PDBbTLMvuYJ4DKesDtzDsD5LJgez7D8NBSVqqvzVoK32eDe0b6nqX504wjpO1SzZ3h6NdccvNWgAM7f8BGaKvVDsBsHkKhV4RmaDZW%2FwfAFg%3D%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Argggg. That sounds awful. Take it easy and heal up! The standard gear won't save you from the splits—but it can help when you hit the ground. It's really easy to go full gonzo on protection gear, but once you get past the basics of helmet, wrist guards and knee pads, how much you wear depends a lot on what you're doing. Tricks in the parking lot want a lot less gear than 40 mph in traffic. 10 mph on a dirt walking trail isn't the same as a black diamond downhill mountain bike run. I (should always) wear ankle guards when riding my MTen, but never wear them on my 16X. If you're not going much faster than you can run, I think you want padding. I wear Level 2 hip, tailbone, knee, elbow, shoulder and back pads for the times when I get tangled up in the wheel and just fall down. Since I do go faster than I can run, I wear moto jacket and pants to deal with sliding on pavement... they're also very handy off road since I can laugh at sticker bushes. On the MTen, I often wear skater pads and sometimes even take the chin bar off my helmet (perhaps unwisely). Footwear is trickier... a local rider broke his ankle during an awkward unplanned dismount in spite of his hiking boots. Others that slid on their hands and knees wore through the tops of their boots down to the steel toes. Many ride in Vans though. Again, application specific. It does boil down to how much and what kind of risk you are willing to take given your planned activity. I don't like road rash so I wear heavy coat and pants. I'm old and probably break easily so I spent extra on lots of padding (makes me look buff too, so there's that). I need my brain to work so I did NOT cheap out on headgear. Whatever you do, don't scrimp on your brain bucket, but the rest is just different flavors of insurance. Edited September 1, 2021 by Tawpie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Plenty of crash videos on YouTube, just search "EUC crash". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Interesting comments on the second one on YT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 NYC riders hold regular race meets in a tunnel. They seem to think that is a good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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