Flew over car bonnet V11, driveway not looking.

[Forwardnbak]

today was my first car clash. 
v11, speed about 30klm - 40klm on bike path. Girl in car flew out drive not looking. I yanked backwards and managed slight slowdown then big impact. 
I was in the air over the bonnet. 
V11 into and smashed her side panel pretty good. 
V11 seems cosmetic, I think maybe a slight wobble to wheel, hex pedals all scraped up and some other cosmetic scratches. 
Gear a little scratched and arm sore. 
 

I was geared up with alpinestars jacket, gloves, and shin/kneeguards full face helmet.

 

witnesses pulled up yelling at the lady for not looking. She was sorry and will pay damage to fix. Can you buy parts? Side panels etc? 
Is the wheel easy to replace if bent?
should I just take in to a shop? 
thanks. 

oh earlier same trip nearly rolled over huge snake, here in Australia it’s best to not. 
I just managed to pull up and it looked and slid off… seemed impressed with the v11. 

be safe.  

[Freeforester]

Glad to hear you are okay, the hard stuff can be fixed or junked, but is a secondary consideration.  On a scale of visibility would you describe your attire and colour scheme as being (notionally) readily seen, and were you running daylight lighting? Just trying to learn from the incident, and I fully understand if it was a case of the driver not concentrating fully on the driving, there’s a lot of it about. Suburban setting, by the sound of things?

[Paul A]

Can buy small clip on body video cams from ebay.

Attach, velcro, mount, glue etc somehow to the wheel for continuous recording with sound when riding.

TF or SD memory card.

Small/short cable to connect cam to usb port of wheel for continuous power without having to rely on cam's battery.

Aliexpress would probably have replacement parts/panels available.

[Paul A]

Playing music at a high enough volume also helps to alert others to your presence well in advance, especially for approaching pedestrians from behind.

Pedestrians can still sometimes do a u-turn right across your path as you are passing though.

 

[The Fat Unicyclist]

2 hours ago, Forwardnbak said:

Can you buy parts? Side panels etc? 

Have you checked with e-riderz.com.au? They should be able to help you out with parts, et cetera...

[Lex Smith]

Glad you lived to tell the tale.  Cars flying out of driveways is a constant worry.  I've had a couple of close calls myself.   No amount of hiviz/lights or music is going to make a jot of difference when they're pulling out of a driveway with high fences right up to the footpath.  

 

[Forwardnbak]

4 hours ago, Freeforester said:

Glad to hear you are okay, the hard stuff can be fixed or junked, but is a secondary consideration.  On a scale of visibility would you describe your attire and colour scheme as being (notionally) readily seen, and were you running daylight lighting? Just trying to learn from the incident, and I fully understand if it was a case of the driver not concentrating fully on the driving, there’s a lot of it about. Suburban setting, by the sound of things?

Hey Freeforester.

Im coming off sports bikes so I have some nice gear and take it pretty seriously. 
 

https://www.alpinestars.com/products/t-gp-plus-r-v3-air-jacket

that is the jacket i wear, with back protector added. It’s great really good jacket. 

my full shin/knee pads have build in LED lights in the knee. 
 

V11 has constant day light. 
I try to help look pretty visible. And safe in case.

 

 

3 hours ago, Paul A said:

Can buy small clip on body video cams from ebay.

Attach, velcro, mount, glue etc somehow to the wheel for continuous recording with sound when riding.

TF or SD memory card.

Small/short cable to connect cam to usb port of wheel for continuous power without having to rely on cam's battery.

Aliexpress would probably have replacement parts/panels available.

I use a SENA 10cpro. It’s a camera and Bluetooth intercom, radio etc. 4K recording and loop. I had it on the helmet yesterday. But not today… always the way.

i was starting to mount it on the V11 yesterday it fits snug under the handle with usb cord attached and hidden. Nice set up when I get it sorted. 

2 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said:

Have you checked with e-riderz.com.au? They should be able to help you out with parts, et cetera...

I’m in Aus but will drop it into Eriders (our really good store) just to have it all checked. Hex pedals, bottom of suspension all scratched up, bit on the case and seem to have lost my seat in the ordeal. 

3 hours ago, Paul A said:

Playing music at a high enough volume also helps to alert others to your presence well in advance, especially for approaching pedestrians from behind.

Pedestrians can still sometimes do a u-turn right across your path as you are passing though.

 

I am usually really slow around pedestrians and take it careful. I kinda could have been going slower in this situation but felt I had good right of way. It was poor design of driveway and fence and a reckless car. Bad combo. Always wary of it. 

2 minutes ago, Lex Smith said:

Glad you lived to tell the tale.  Cars flying out of driveways is a constant worry.  I've had a couple of close calls myself.   No amount of hiviz/lights or music is going to make a jot of difference when they're pulling out of a driveway with high fences right up to the footpath.  

 

I know one downhill near home I am always so worried, so many hedges block the vision. It is kinda luck a bit of the time. 
 

stay safe, gear up. 

[omuretsu]

On 8/8/2021 at 7:38 AM, Lex Smith said:

Glad you lived to tell the tale.  Cars flying out of driveways is a constant worry.  I've had a couple of close calls myself.   No amount of hiviz/lights or music is going to make a jot of difference when they're pulling out of a driveway with high fences right up to the footpath.  

 

Doesn't sound like somewhere I'd want to ride 40kph then... Not saying this incident is necessarily OP's fault but it's always smart to vary your speed based on your visibility of upcoming potential obstacles. And in an ideal world, the driver would be doing the same while exiting their driveway...

[.....]

No amount of vizibility will help when a person simply isnt looking or paying attention. Would we be implying that it was a parents fault if the same happened while they were pushing a stroller? What about simple pedestrians? I've only been hit a few times and most were while on foot. ALL but one was a driver simply pulling out to run me over, as they were clearly on the phone or not looking. I guess it's my fault for getting out of bed that day...

Glad you're okay. I'll be waiting to see if she really does write that check, or if time makes her change the blame to YOUR fault. I'd give it 50/50 chance you get paid rather than a bill for auto repair..

[Forwardnbak]

You seem bang on. There is hesitation now and the but you hit me. That was a with the quote for around $1000 damage including helmet and lost seat, mostly just some covers. It was a lucky hit and super surprised with the V11 durability. My mootorcycle would have been far worse. 
I mostly wanted to teach her a lesson, she had alcohol in her front seat, was young. I felt for her but didn’t want her to walk away without something to remind her next time. 
I can’t afford the damage so I guess I’ll end up wearing it. 
 

she has requested the quote from the store and we shall see.

bottom line of this was a child in a pram it would me much more costly.

she actually accused me of trying to use her.

I said this is not a toy, it’s a vehicle, like your car you care about it. If I wanted to use you I’d write it off and get an ultrasound for medical. I told her I am a registered nurse which she can look up. Honest person. 
 

anyway. 

[.....]

1 hour ago, Forwardnbak said:

You seem bang on. There is hesitation now and the but you hit me. That was a with the quote for around $1000 damage including helmet and lost seat, mostly just some covers. It was a lucky hit and super surprised with the V11 durability. My mootorcycle would have been far worse. 
I mostly wanted to teach her a lesson, she had alcohol in her front seat, was young. I felt for her but didn’t want her to walk away without something to remind her next time. 
I can’t afford the damage so I guess I’ll end up wearing it. 
 

she has requested the quote from the store and we shall see.

bottom line of this was a child in a pram it would me much more costly.

she actually accused me of trying to use her.

I said this is not a toy, it’s a vehicle, like your car you care about it. If I wanted to use you I’d write it off and get an ultrasound for medical. I told her I am a registered nurse which she can look up. Honest person. 
 

anyway. 

$1000 is a very light slap on the wrist. Kids do stupid shit, as did I. Hopefully she'll take the small lesson in stride and will prove a very CHEAP lesson for what she avoided in the near future. I don't blame you for not wanting to involve insurance companies and such. The law so damn vague, it could easily prove to be a lose/lose for everyone. Don't think the worst tho, tis why I say 50/50. Sometimes people surprise you, especially when you always assume the worst. Decent people make mistakes too. Its part of our human condition...

Edited August 11, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[The Fat Unicyclist]

6 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I've only been hit a few times and most were while on foot. ALL but one was a driver simply pulling out to run me over

Hell... If I was going the other way and saw you coming, I'd swerve!   

[Forwardnbak]

Update.’the lady paid $500ish.

All up could have got nothing so it’s better than nothing.

she may slow down perhaps if $500 hurts her pocket.

I’ll grab a seat which was lost (seem to come off the V11 really way anyway) 

I’m looking at the TSG pass helmet? It seems good and the store recommended.

 

maybe I’ll add the power pads, I have just been using a home pad that kinda works but that all came off in the incident.

my hex pedals copped the most damage way scraped up but I still have original if ever need a spare. 
 

 

[quickbot]

On 8/8/2021 at 10:23 AM, Freeforester said:

Glad to hear you are okay, the hard stuff can be fixed or junked, but is a secondary consideration.  On a scale of visibility would you describe your attire and colour scheme as being (notionally) readily seen, and were you running daylight lighting? Just trying to learn from the incident, and I fully understand if it was a case of the driver not concentrating fully on the driving, there’s a lot of it about. Suburban setting, by the sound of things?

Here in Latva(and prolly in many other countries)  cars driving out of gas station over bike lane - MUST stop before bike lane is clear, but problem is, car only looks back for other cars not coming and ignores signs where its clearly stated that bikelane drivers have upper hand.... for most drivers it doesnt matter as they have alot heavier vehicle, so bicycle will stop/slowdown no matter if car isnt right.  Every day passing those few gas statios on bicycle lane i get an retarded moron in car who isnt looking both sides and ignoring signs.  Sadly they dont hear my cursing.

[Tawpie]

Gear is so remarkable, isn't it? Glad you didn't suffer any significant damage. I visited a country a while ago where we were cautioned that if there were any 'accidents', since we weren't citizens we weren't supposed to actually be there—so by default ALL accidents were our fault. Cash on hand would make most problems go away, so we also got that advice.

Who is right and who is wrong is nice, but only handy after you survive. I assume everyone is like @The Fat Unicyclist and thinks they see @ShanesPlanet, so they're about to swerve to get me. My hi-viz gear helps illuminate their target. Everyone meaning: cars, bikes, kids, dogs, pedestrians, skaters, scooters... especially trees (they jump out in front more often than you realize)

Edited August 13, 2021 by Tawpie

[Paul A]

Can buy a complete full grain leather motorcycle suit with CE certified armour on shoulders, elbows, knees, back protector, Dainese branding.

On ebay for around $300 USD, custom made to measurement for perfect fit.

Jackets with airbags another option.

[mike_bike_kite]

Glad to hear you're OK. Were you on the road or on the pavement?

[Forwardnbak]

I was on the footpath, the biggest 2 things is this were her driving, speed and admitted only looking one way. The driveway was the other the fence was badly designed blocking nearly all vision one direction. 
 

I have a full leather alpine star suit but hav not worn the leathers while EUCing.

really good jeans I wear are called DRAGGIN. They are well known in the motorbike world they offer a 7second drag rating (roughly). They have a Kevlar or similar lining and really work, I tested them once. Great jeans. 

 

[Forwardnbak]

I have to make a shout out to the store here in Brisbane.

E-RIDERZ at Murrarie. They are like really good. They helped me already with easy purchase. I had no idea about the store when hunting for my first impulse EUC. Steve over email secured a great deal accomodating me on one of their hugely busy days.

great deal, great service. 
following up for repairs after this I have had absolutely the best customer service, offered the lady great deal to help. Service department and sales are just fantastic. Every time I have visited they are super busy helping everyone. They both ride and are true EUC guys.

total support from me all my shopping there.  

after coming from motorbikes most places around here are shonks and have no clue on service. Most of the bike forums are also cut throat troll fest. EUC world seems much nicer, forums and stores. 
 

good 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Forwardnbak

[mike_bike_kite]

On 8/8/2021 at 7:46 AM, Forwardnbak said:

speed about 30klm - 40klm ... I was on the footpath ... the other the fence was badly designed blocking nearly all vision one direction ... this is not a toy, it’s a vehicle

Do you really think 40kmh is a safe speed to be doing on the footpath while going past the blind exits of people's driveways? Especially considering the appalling stopping distances of EUCs. Most people who live in properties with blind exits like this will poke the nose of their car out for a moment and then slowly emerge - this works OK for pedestrians and kids on bicycles but it won't work for vehicles travelling at motorbike speeds. I'd suggest you just ride your vehicle on the road or slow way down if you want to ride on the footpath. On the plus side, at least it wasn't a small child learning to ride their bicycle in their driveway and using the pavement to turn round in.

[Forwardnbak]

Sure Mike, thanks. 

[mrelwood]

I’m glad you weren’t more badly hurt from the incident!

On 8/8/2021 at 2:49 PM, Forwardnbak said:

I kinda could have been going slower in this situation but felt I had good right of way.

One of the most important attitudes for me when riding, is that EUCs never have the right of way. All juridical finger pointing is indeed moot if you have your skull bashed in, or even just hurt your leg a bit. Your incident is the exact reason some of us live by defensive riding. I don’t trust anybody in traffic enough to give my health in their hands. My motto is to always ride in a way that no matter how stupid moves others do, I have enough time, space and distance to avoid a collision.

This has become even more important now with the rental scooters polluting the traffic. Once I barely avoided a collision with a bicycle because I was riding behind two teenagers on rentals. They took a blind left corner at near full speed, hugging the left side of the road. A bicycle coming the opposite way correctly on his own right side had to quickly swarm to his left, and into a collision course with me. Thankfully I had braked early once I saw that the teens are taking the turn with total lack of consideration of traffic rules or common sense. WhetherI had the right of way or not.

 Unfortunately this forum is full of stories about EUC crashes and close calls when drivers and others in traffic don’t see us, or don’t realize our speed, or whatever. Blame is pointless, injuries still hurt just the same

[Forwardnbak]

I look wherever I go, walking, riding, biking. I travel within limits of me and conditions. Cars should do the same, some don’t. I prepare for this and gear up and don’t ride near cars on roads. 

Speed of both in a crash matters, but so does due care and laws, also just respect for the weight and ability of the vehicle, a car driver should take a lot more responsibility when doing anything. I will also take care but my 27kg EUC won’t do the equal damage of any car. 
I was prob max at 30, out laws are 25 but it was a slight hill and as I was paying attention to path ahead and  was not watching my speed. 

Ride with gear, your own ability and conditions, hope for the best and common sense. 
 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Forwardnbak

[The Brahan Seer]

Another big problem is Inattentional blindness

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180105082243.htm

 and motion induced blindness.

https://www.arrivealive.mobi/motion-induced-blindness-and-road-safety

Literally its not the fault of the driver of cars when they don't see you. The brain literally doesn't see you at all.  Part of the reason for this is how the brain processes the information it receives and how much is constructed from memory. 

When you very first walk into an unfamiliar room you look around the whole room and take in the details. The next time you go in you don't do this as the brain reconstructs from memory what the room looks like. This is why we don't notice something that has changed straight away if say someone swaps something out.

 

[Planemo]

3 minutes ago, The Brahan Seer said:

Literally its not the fault of the driver of cars when they don't see you.

I'm going to call utter bollocks on that one.

I understand what you are trying to say, but it IS a driver fault because it's nothing short of being lazy.

Everyone with legal sight sees everything if they look hard enough.