Frankman Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I think all new EU should have a trolley handle. I own a generic chinese EU that has a trolley handle and I found it extremely usefull. There are many places where you cannot ride your EU (shops, offices, markets) but you may carry it with you, so I think nobody want to hold up a 15Kg device around for a long time (it could be very harmful for your spinal column). This is why my next EU will certainly feature a trolley handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmethvin Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I agree with @Frankman on a trolley handle. A 14-inch wheel is often light enough that you can pick it up and carry it. An 18-inch wheel is large enough that you can leave it on and roll it around by the fixed handle on top without leaning down a lot. A 16-inch wheel with a big battery is too heavy to carry for very long and too short to push around by a built-in solid handle! I just added another battery to my 16-inch Firewheel and the extra 1.5kg makes a big difference in how well I can carry it now. However, I cannot find a trolley handle to fit it. There may be the same problem with the ACM, at least for a while, until someone makes a custom one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 We should just realize that If a trolley handle is integrated, it better be a qood quality one. Otherwise i will take an add on handle any tume of day over the built in. When one is learning, and the wheel falls and rolls a lot, a weak handle can get damaged, and if its an add on, it can be easily replaced, but not so easy to replace when integrated. Also, an add on handle has a secondary function - it effectively protects one side of the wheel from cratches and bruises in case of a fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm waiting for the first one to one test of KS16A and ACM 16. From specs the ACM should outperform the KS16 in all areas (1500 W rated, 3000 W peak, 45 (Gotway) km/h vs. 800 W rated, 2400 W peak, 30 km/h). Both should be good for inclines, long tours but is there such a big difference like the specs advertise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Scott Will Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 10 hours ago, OliverH said: I'm waiting for the first one to one test of KS16A and ACM 16. From specs the ACM should outperform the KS16 in all areas (1500 W rated, 3000 W peak, 45 (Gotway) km/h vs. 800 W rated, 2400 W peak, 30 km/h). Both should be good for inclines, long tours but is there such a big difference like the specs advertise? All of the specs I have read show that the KS16 also peaks at 3000w but with nominal 800w. Where did you hear of 2400w? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Jeffrey Scott Will said: All of the specs I have read show that the KS16 also peaks at 3000w but with nominal 800w. Where did you hear of 2400w? That was measuarings with the KS14, if I remember right. I think KS states the 3 KW on the KS 18 with 1100 W (labeled 1200 W on the motor hub). But today most values are estimations and not measuring based on e.g. ISO 60034-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnea Veteran Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 On 2016/2/27 at 10:39 PM, dmethvin said: I agree with @Frankman on a trolley handle. A 14-inch wheel is often light enough that you can pick it up and carry it. An 18-inch wheel is large enough that you can leave it on and roll it around by the fixed handle on top without leaning down a lot. A 16-inch wheel with a big battery is too heavy to carry for very long and too short to push around by a built-in solid handle! I just added another battery to my 16-inch Firewheel and the extra 1.5kg makes a big difference in how well I can carry it now. However, I cannot find a trolley handle to fit it. There may be the same problem with the ACM, at least for a while, until someone makes a custom one. Our factory will customize the trolley handle for ACM, once we launch out the ACM,, we will have the trolley handle for it. Dont worry about this problem. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnea Veteran Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 12 hours ago, OliverH said: I'm waiting for the first one to one test of KS16A and ACM 16. From specs the ACM should outperform the KS16 in all areas (1500 W rated, 3000 W peak, 45 (Gotway) km/h vs. 800 W rated, 2400 W peak, 30 km/h). Both should be good for inclines, long tours but is there such a big difference like the specs advertise? The motor power will be the real data, but for the max speed, there should be a little error when been test from different ways, the app designed for the certain wheel can calculate the speed via the cycling of rolling, the higher tire pressure and low tire pressure will cause the uncorrected data of the speed. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Linneaunicycles said: The motor power will be the real data, but for the max speed, there should be a little error when been test from different ways, the app designed for the certain wheel can calculate the speed via the cycling of rolling, the higher tire pressure and low tire pressure will cause the uncorrected data of the speed. Thanks! If we follow directives of how to display speed there 're rules for vehicles how much they must show more in advance and that it's not allowed to show less than reality. I've no problem with showing more. But I'm not a high speed freak where one km/h more counts. This wheels are to fast anyway. Upcoming regulations will limit this. Only competition versions will run open speed. I mentioned the (Gotway) km/h only because of the discussion starts every time Gotway km/h vs. Ninebot km/h measuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 4 hours ago, OliverH said: That was measuarings with the KS14, if I remember right. I think KS states the 3 KW on the KS 18 with 1100 W (labeled 1200 W on the motor hub). But today most values are estimations and not measuring based on e.g. ISO 60034-1. The ks16 is stated at 3000 max the KS 18 with 1200w Motor is with 3500 Max... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: The ks16 is stated at 3000 max the KS 18 with 1200w Motor is with 3500 Max... I'll compare a KS16 800 with my MSuper next week (if it arrive in time). I'm interested in the technological improvement and development. The MSuper is old from design compared to the KS16. All this values are guessing and advertising. I don't trust any value. But I keep them for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 1 hour ago, OliverH said: I'll compare a KS16 800 with my MSuper next week (if it arrive in time). I'm interested in the technological improvement and development. The MSuper is old from design compared to the KS16. All this values are guessing and advertising. I don't trust any value. But I keep them for comparison For sure this are just Marketing values! i just wanted to Point out that the 1200Watt Motor is anounced with 3500W max.... Gotway never mentioned a "max-value" for the 1500W Motor? Or did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 2 hours ago, KingSong69 said: For sure this are just Marketing values! i just wanted to Point out that the 1200Watt Motor is anounced with 3500W max.... Gotway never mentioned a "max-value" for the 1500W Motor? Or did they? They said around 3000W Peak.. http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/3573-gotway-2016-new-16-inch-model-acm-specifications/ http://forum.electricunicycle.org/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=4041 If someone says "trust me I'm in sales" I trust him There was a post on Gotways Facebook page regarding the ACM more powerful than MSuper:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.832706743541421.1073741856.572376252907806&type=3&comment_id=835471953264900&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnea Veteran Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 16 hours ago, OliverH said: They said around 3000W Peak.. http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/3573-gotway-2016-new-16-inch-model-acm-specifications/ http://forum.electricunicycle.org/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=4041 If someone says "trust me I'm in sales" I trust him There was a post on Gotways Facebook page regarding the ACM more powerful than MSuper:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.832706743541421.1073741856.572376252907806&type=3&comment_id=835471953264900&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D ACM motor power is stronger than Msuper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Linneaunicycles said: ACM motor power is stronger than Msuper. So what is The Max Batterie(wh) then in The ACM? With a more powerful Motor The Batterie should also get Stronger?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Linneaunicycles said: ACM motor power is stronger than Msuper. I bought the wrong EU Let's see what the new MSuper will have There're rumors that the batteries are not real parallel like on the MSuper. Is it true, that Gotway changed over to the almost parallel serialisation of battery packs like Kingsong (which I personally don't like and makes no sense with the new stronger motors)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, OliverH said: I bought the wrong EU Let's see what the new MSuper will have Give the KS-16 a try first. It is much more beautiful in design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, SlowMo said: Give the KS-16 a try first. It is much more beautiful in design. My wife get one. I'll test it. 18" fits better to me. I keep on this size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnea Veteran Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: So what is The Max Batterie(wh) then in The ACM? With a more powerful Motor The Batterie should also get Stronger?! There are 680wh and 820wh battery capacity of ACM optional. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 27 minutes ago, Linneaunicycles said: There are 680wh and 820wh battery capacity of ACM optional. Thanks How are the battery packs set up? Real parallel or serialized like Kingsong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRoueDeSecours Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 On 03/30/2016 at 9:04 AM, Linneaunicycles said: There are 680wh and 820wh battery capacity of ACM optional. Thanks And could you tell how firmware is upgraded, on case of? Or do the reseller need to exchange the board itself? Also, could we be updated when ACM will be shipped out from Shenzen? Thanks Linnea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checho Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 5 hours ago, Linneaunicycles said: ACM motor power is stronger than Msuper. How about torque? Is it higher than the gotway 18 type 3 high torque in torque? Because higher power does not necessarily mean higher torque since the motor could be winded for speed instead of torque. Will the ACM be sold with choice of motor windings for torque, medium, and speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 hour ago, checho said: How about torque? Is it higher than the gotway 18 type 3 high torque in torque? Because higher power does not necessarily mean higher torque since the motor could be winded for speed instead of torque. Will the ACM be sold with choice of motor windings for torque, medium, and speed? We need power measuring on base of IEC 60034-1. All other values are guessing and not trustable. You would like to compare the torque curves and not a special point only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnea Veteran Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 19 hours ago, OliverH said: How are the battery packs set up? Real parallel or serialized like Kingsong? There are two packs of there battery for ACM, they are parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checho Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 In regards the ACM I get the bad feeling it is a motor optimized for speed or a medium, and not torque, we will know for sure when it is released and forum member publish their results on hill climbing tests with users that weight 100kg or over. Torque it is needed for safety reasons, most of us will not be traveling at 45 KM/H with no torque left to balance us, which is the main cause for faceplants, going at 45KM/H and a little stone less than 3 cm hight can faceplant you. As a reference the gotway 18 LS type 3, can only go 28 KM/H and it is a 1000w motor, the ACM it is officially 1500W, if we use proportions, the ACM motor is 1.5 times more powerful (50% more official power), 28 x 1.5 = 42 KM/H < 45 KM/H My theoretical conclusion is that it is more like a medium torque motor, it would be great if we had a high torque version. But since the power was increased and a new 18" will be released lets wait and see, it would be nice if the new 18" it is a high torque motor 2000w nominal power at least, max safety even on the worst possible roads. it will also be great if that when the new 18 is released it has 3 versions of the motor, to cover all needs for different users. light weight rider on flats --> hight speed version. average person on average city --> medium speed heavy person off road --> high torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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