Incredibly bad look for this community.

[Carl Svanfelt]

When it comes to sports, it is always the accidents that create the biggest headlines. The more dangerous the sport is, the more followers it has and people hunger for blood. As far as electric self-balancing wheels are concerned, this trend has going on for a multi-year period. 
Manufacturers and importers have given their support and sponsor riders who think they are soo cool and do not care a bit about what others feels.

The whole problem is in attitudes and I do not think it is possible to do anything about this for the moment. We are moving towards the time when our sport will get restrictions.
One thing is possible to do. When YouTube recommends a video produced by a zigzag rider, click the three dots and select "Don't recommend channel". The zigzag riders community looking for publicity, do not give them this!

[Camenbert]

24 minutes ago, Carl Viktor said:

We are moving towards the time when our sport will get restrictions.

Interesting, I never ever saw EUC as a sport, but as a clever mode of transportation.

 

[Sumako]

22 hours ago, bcarp said:

This is probably not the sort of press we want generated:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9693435/Electric-scooters-e-bikes-run-red-lights-NYC-Gone-Girl-actress-dies.html

I have a question. Who here is connected to the shit show ebike and kick scooter community so we can all scold them? Anyone here connected to the rideable escooter scene? We need to make sure they got the message that their electric rip-off of a Honda Elite 80 doesn’t belong on the sidewalk.

Please get on it. That dude riding the ninebot escooter, model POS, needs to know his right from his left and to put on a damn helmet. 

 

[UniVehje]

Moderation comment:

Everybody, please discuss the topic with respect to each other and mature behaviour. No need to insult those who disagree with you. The topic is pretty much all discussed through already and there are very little to add. Don't get into fights if you don't have anything valuable to add here. 

[LanghamP]

8 hours ago, GothamMike said:

The body of an EUC rider can penetrate a windshield and kill drivers and passengers. 

That's a common occurrence in not just NYC but all major cities.

[winterwheel]

I've heard that Wheelnados can be a problem in some parts of the U.S.

[VikB]

Read this thread with interest. Folks can ride their EUCs anyway they like until the police intervene. But, it seems odd to document and publicize your misadventures and then get mad that people react negatively to what you are doing. If you want to ride recklessly and not get a bunch of blowback online than the answer is simple don't make videos of the event. If you make YT videos and post them you are asking for people to pay attention to what you are doing and comment on it. That's the whole purpose of YT. So don't get bent out of shape when that happens. If you were really trying to have an "outlaw" experience you wouldn't be filming it for YT. 

[Gasmantle]

6 minutes ago, VikB said:

Read this thread with interest. Folks can ride their EUCs anyway they like until the police intervene. But, it seems odd to document and publicize your misadventures 

Yea I agree, why on earth would anyone video themselves doing an illegal act then publish it on Youtube?

Some guys are just asking to get pulled by the police. 

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by Gasmantle
Spelling error.

[winterwheel]

So that others will become riders and we get our numbers up to the point where we are significant, widely adopted transportation option. Also for the vast majority of us getting on a wheel at all is illegal; if legality were the standard the only wheel videos on YouTube would be published by V5F riders in Finland. 

Edited June 18, 2021 by winterwheel

[evX_Mick]

 

[Mark13i]

27 minutes ago, evX_Mick said:

 

Is the movie consistent with the topic of the thread?  Because I don't know if I should watch it

[Camenbert]

15 minutes ago, Mark13i said:

Is the movie consistent with the topic of the thread?  Because I don't know if I should watch it

See it as a result

[DangerDan]

 

Well being harassed from a angry mob sucks, getting related people involved in the mess even more so.

That the race and the actions recorded in the video are not adressed with a single word speaks for it self too.

Overall a shit show from start to end.

[Treatz]

22 minutes ago, Mark13i said:

Is the movie consistent with the topic of the thread?  Because I don't know if I should watch it

Sort of.  This thread is about 1 thing (that has several branches). That thing is: consideration of others vs. self entitlement when it comes to riding EUC’s.  Branches can include: legislative remedies potentially in response to reckless riding, the specific race at hand, the overall reaction to some aspects of the NYC euc culture, etc.  I think the specific video in question touched off this thread, and this video is in response to the filmmaker’s experience after the fact and it appears he wanted to apologize for any unintended harm, ask those hurling personal abuse to please stop, and to announce he’s stepping away from making euc videos.

[enaon]

I love NY videos, this got me hooked, but I think evx is trying too hard to become a yt influencer, that last "icarus" video is hilarious, I cried when he held a steady face saying he meant not to provoke. 

 

[NickNonsense]

Leopard doesn't change its spots. Mickey defending the video in the comments section to the end before it was hidden is enough to know this video is just a bogus apology. A last ditch attempt of salvaging what left of his name in the community

Good riddance I'd say 🤙

[The Brahan Seer]

19 hours ago, Gasmantle said:

I'd like to think the present system of temporarily legalising Escooters provided they are hired from an approved source is to test the water and gauge public opinion. Hopefully if the court of public opinion approves of them it may lead to the legalisation of privately owned vehicles subject to insurance, registration etc. Whether that actually happens only time will tell.

This is my understanding of the trials but the U.K. loves making laws over complicated so who knows. Part of me hopes if they legalise Escooters we will be seen in the same light even if the law is not that specific.

 

19 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said:

I try to stick to quiet suburban roads and ride fairly sensibly but I know I'm just rolling a dice each time I pass the police. If I could write the rules then I'd say EUC's up to 20mph would be treated the same as bicycles in the eyes of the law. If they're any faster then they should be treated like a moped and need proper lighting, insurance and a number plate plus the rider would have to have either a valid driving license or motorcycle license. I know many folk would think that's too strict but I see videos like the one that started this thread and I think it's the only way forward.

I agree with this statement too. I also wish I could get insurance.  

[winterwheel]

Well congratulations everyone, you've succeeded in driving the top video guy we have out of the wheel video game. 

Edited June 18, 2021 by winterwheel

[Treatz]

7 minutes ago, winterwheel said:

Well congratulations everyone, you've succeeded in driving the top video guy we have out of the wheel video game. 

Everyone here is responsible for someone else’s decisions? Explain, please.

[GothamMike]

21 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said:

No license is required and you also don't need any safety gear. Because the rental e-scooters only go 8mph then it limits the amount of damage you can cause.  EUC's are motor vehicles and motorised vehicles need insurance. If you don't have a license then those 6 points will go on your driving license when you eventually get one. Also those points on your license will affect how much you pay for insurance etc. I understand you can also be fined and have your wheel confiscated. A fairly easy to read explanation of the law in the UK is here.

I try to stick to quiet suburban roads and ride fairly sensibly but I know I'm just rolling a dice each time I pass the police. If I could write the rules then I'd say EUC's up to 20mph would be treated the same as bicycles in the eyes of the law. If they're any faster then they should be treated like a moped and need proper lighting, insurance and a number plate plus the rider would have to have either a valid driving license or motorcycle license. I know many folk would think that's too strict but I see videos like the one that started this thread and I think it's the only way forward.

Class 1 and Class A vehicles in NYS and CT are limited to 20-25 MPH.  Anything faster is subject to registration and regulation. CT requires EV vendors to label the PEV with Motor Wattage and Max speed.

[Tasku]

Everybody makes mistakes.
Rarely you see someone taking responsibility, also for actions of others.
I agree with @winterwheel, today we all lost.

As community we had nothing but hate to give.
Community is the base we need, in order to make difference in the laws and legislation. How fragile it seems to be. This hobby you people have is so rare after all.

Can't wait to see all the people now rise up and show how good content you can make, for years to come, just like Mick did. Step up now and show us, so much talk but, please show how good content creator you are.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Tasku

[NickNonsense]

39 minutes ago, winterwheel said:

Well congratulations everyone, you've succeeded in driving the top video guy we have out of the wheel video game. 

He will be back with something else after the dust settles. Did you even watch his video, read his description 😏 

Edited June 18, 2021 by NickNonsense

[Treatz]

24 minutes ago, Tasku said:

As community we had nothing but hate to give.

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement. 

[Mark13i]

1 hour ago, winterwheel said:

Well congratulations everyone, you've succeeded in driving the top video guy we have out of the wheel video game. 

Without exaggeration.

Would a professional say: "love me as I am - or I'll go."  ?????

The best yt has a professional personality, not a professional film studio itself.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Mark13i

[Planemo]

1 hour ago, Tasku said:

Everybody makes mistakes.

Totally agree.

But all he had to do was realise that the vid in question was just a little lairy, learn from the responses he got and move onto the next vid, which to be fair, in terms of production and design, he does very well indeed.

At the moment the feeling I get is that he didnt like the responses, threw his toys out the pram and quit making euc videos, period.

Thats fine too. Maybe he just wants to make lairy vids and nothing else. So absconding from EUC (I get the impression he is a filmographer for many things) was the only option.

A shame, because the last vid he did posted above seemed genuine and he came across well. So well that I felt a little sad. And I certainly dont condone threats/hate on his family as he claims he had. But at the end of the day its a big world. Others will follow, making great YT content, and the world will keep spinning.