Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[Forwardnbak]

[Miko.cz]

12 hours ago, supercurio said:

Great new vid from Adam / Wrong Way.

Hmm, his note about S20 lights that should not be used in public is worrying me. Exacty this I was afraid, but on demo day it seemed to be OK (but it was a day).

1 hour ago, rolis said:

A few messages that sum up the NYC incident

damn, this is what I hoped will be prevented by new BMS (under normal conditions, not submerged or other extremes)

Edited March 27, 2022 by Miko.cz
more polite word choice...

[Mango]

Looks like the S20 2022 summer riding season is postponed until next year. This wheel is going to be further delayed due to the NYC fire.

[Roadpower]

Wow, that is bad bad bad.

[Rollin-on-1]

On 3/25/2022 at 12:33 PM, Tawpie said:

Perversely, I'm sort of hoping for poof.

Well, you got what you were hoping for.  

[Roadpower]

47 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

But it's also good good good it happened before we have thousands of them rolling around.

Excellent point.

[Forwardnbak]

If this happens where I ride off-road the whole bushland would light up. Houses would be at risk. Damn 

[Forwardnbak]

The only positive I am seeing is that many of the other wheels have also been out through rigorous testing and no fires. 
all things can have one off flaws, especially likely on prototypes.

sure hope and WANT this to be the case here. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Forwardnbak

[Forwardnbak]

Maybe it’s a name thing 

[FrenchUsa]

So here my story, i have KS S18, freaking love it that wheels. I fall in love with S20 back August 2021, pre-order with eWheels and sold my S18.

February we got few videos about S20 and it was kind a disappointment based on KS marketing back last year. I decided to remove my pre-order and get Begode Hero HS. Many criticizes the Hero but I am super exiting to get the wheel this week. 

Now, I know I did the right move to cancel and order Hero. I seen many videos of Hero with positive attitude. 

My story can be follow bellow

USA channel:https://www.youtube.com/c/FrenchUsaEUC

French channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGeTYYYELvSqPF0Z0Is6eJQ

[Forwardnbak]

Made this 

[Grimm10]

Well I'm out on the S20, cancelled my order. 

All the issues, ie. Weak torque off the line, clunking motor going up stairs, pieces breaking, rear weighed bias, gimmicky power pads, silly rear handle, possible suspension rails binding, inaccessible charge ports, the delays and the chincy seat had me on the edge of cancelling before

This fire is clearly a concern for me, as well as for KingSong.  This will likely delay the release even further.  The inmotion V13 might even come out before this one.

[Jason H]

Back to Flat Earther Steam Rockets. Those seemed pretty fun.

[Rawnei]

According to my reseller, upgraded S20s will be sent out in May including more safety and upgrades in regards to found issues and the NYC fire incident (no details as to what changes we are talking about).

[Forwardnbak]

27 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

According to my reseller, upgraded S20s will be sent out in May including more safety and upgrades in regards to found issues and the NYC fire incident (no details as to what changes we are talking about).

This sounds great. I am sure that’s kinda what they need to say now. 
I really would like to know and understand the upgrades, and warranties.

the safety they add to the battery needs to be explained to me well to get my confidence where I want it.

I just started to really consider the master today, now they seem on par safety wise,

to BE or not to BEGODE that is the question.

Sherman max/keep v11??

V…14? (13 went missing)
 

didn’t want to be here so soon after watching WW video which re HYPED me  

 

 

[Paul A]

Begode is the new name for Gotway.

Gotway have had the highest number of fires.

 

[fbhb]

King Song's Official announcement re: S20 fire

 

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by fbhb

[Yxzygäilijä]

If such a failure is possible to happen just because of software bug, I feel like it would be good idea to make some changes to the hardware too.

[Forwardnbak]

Yes I’m pretty sure my confidence has held out as long as I can, all the other issues were cosmetic and things I felt I could live with. 
With 6 young kids in my house, these risks are on another level. 
i would need to see a lot more confidence from all of those smarter than me about wheels, all I see is design doubt from most people i look up to (most of you) 

i really felt Hsiang when he said disappointed, really felt it with him. 

[RagingGrandpa]

NYC S20 fire discussion moved to: 

https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/27332-kingsong-s20-cut-out-fire-new-york/

 

I suggest:

• Use that thread for all discussion directly related to and resulting from the incident, such as: 
  • What people saw
  • History of that demo wheel
  • Why it might have happened
  • How it might be prevented
     
• And continue here in the S20 debut thread with wheel release information such as: 
  • Rider impressions and overall design feedback
  • Announcements and details about changes in future production batches
  • New order enthusiasm (or lack thereof) 

Cheers

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by RagingGrandpa

[FrenchUsa]

1 hour ago, jrhz06 said:

Preordered an S20 and can live with most of the issues as I believe the good outweighs the bad. However, the fire is very concerning and I’ll wait for KS’s response before a final decision as to whether to leave my preorder as it stand or change to a different wheel. 
If I change I’m looking at Hero, Master or Sherman max. Which would you choose and why?

I am getting Max (waiting eWheels to ship) and got Hero HS (alienRide).  One for long range and Hero for fun! Hero pricing drop from 4k to 3250. 

[chanman]

The master is the most directly comparable alternative and I think with a third party battery pack can be trusted not to explode. Still waiting on the initial units to be shipped out for reviews and teardowns before I make any judgements but am closely watching. But lets not derail the thread with other model discussion too much.

Edited March 28, 2022 by chanman

[Rawnei]

1 hour ago, jrhz06 said:

Preordered an S20 and can live with most of the issues as I believe the good outweighs the bad. However, the fire is very concerning and I’ll wait for KS’s response before a final decision as to whether to leave my preorder as it stand or change to a different wheel. 
If I change I’m looking at Hero, Master or Sherman max. Which would you choose and why?

I mean, stuck between a rock and a hard place, Sherman Max possibly but it's still rather new and not proven so we don't know if there is any issues with it yet, it's the unfortunate and uncomfortable truth but all new wheels seem to come with their own nasty surprises.

Best advice if you are unsure is to just wait and see with later batches.

[GoGeorgeGo]

28 minutes ago, chanman said:

The master is the most directly comparable alternative and I think with a third party battery pack can be trusted not to explode. Still waiting on the initial units to be shipped out for reviews and teardowns before I make any judgements but am closely watching. But lets not derail the thread with other model discussion too much.

I havnt actually heard of any of the new charge limited packs by begode go up. Ever since they introduced the 3 amp charge limit ive only seen older wheels with issues. Just to say im not so sure 3rd party packs are any safer than the new packs begode already uses. I could be wrong though

[mike_bike_kite]

2 hours ago, jrhz06 said:

If I change I’m looking at Hero, Master or Sherman max. Which would you choose and why?

With Gotway/Begode, wouldn't you be jumping from the frying pan into the fire? I really like my Nikola+ but the potential for fires worries me with all their wheels. I wouldn't mind if they offered a solution to existing owners (more safety conscious firmware or better batteries at cost) but they seem to ignore user safety and just knock out a crazy number of new set of wheels. So I'd say Sherman.

Obviously you'd do better saying what you actually want the wheel for, what speed and range, your size and experience, what terrain you normally ride over etc.