Popular Post supercurio Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, SanDiegoGuy said: They should have use the photo of assembly factory workers instead of office workers LOL 😂 Gotta tune this firmware tho! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Kingsong International made another post soon after the post on the back-to-work post. If my eyes are not deceiving me, it shows a revised S20. It looks like the boomerang is gone. The pads are repositioned, and the battery box is shifted forward a smidgen, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoGuy Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, supercurio said: Gotta tune this firmware tho! Yeah, but people would rather have the S20 in their possession with the current firmware than to have no wheel with the greatest and latest firmware LOL 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, techyiam said: Kingsong International made another post soon after the post on the back-to-work post. If my eyes are not deceiving me, it shows a revised S20. It looks like the boomerang is gone. The pads are repositioned, and the battery box is shifted forward a smidgen, maybe? You mean this one?  I think the screw holes for the wings are still there, and the residue of the old pad position still shows. I don’t think the battery has been moved either, though I didn’t directly compare old photos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, mrelwood said: I think the screw holes for the wings are still there, and the residue of the old pad position still shows. I don’t think the battery has been moved either, though I didn’t directly compare old photos. I have to agree with @mrelwood here, as this just looks to be a regular pre-production S20 set up to someone's own personal preference (you don't need to have the boomerang on, it's Only 2 Philips screws anyway, pads can go where you want them or use other brand as preferred!) The battery being moved would need a big engineering redesign (so not very likely). Nothing New to see here folks, normal (delayed) service is resumed! Edited March 22, 2022 by fbhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forwardnbak Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, mrelwood said: You mean this one?  Just wanted to quote it to have another reason to look at it again.  look at it. pertty. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, mrelwood said: You mean this one?  I think the screw holes for the wings are still there, and the residue of the old pad position still shows. I don’t think the battery has been moved either, though I didn’t directly compare old photos. That's the one. I think you are right. Good eye there. Hmm, now I am curious. Kingsong International is Kingsong's official YouTube Channel. Kingsong is officially promoting the S20 with that image, showing a S20 that has been hacked. Kingsong doesn't sell used euc's. Marketing can't be happy with that? Unless, there is more to it? Edited March 22, 2022 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, fbhb said: The battery being moved would need a big engineering redesign (so not very likely). I don't know about a big engineering redesign. It could be achieved by changing some dimensions slighly on the spider structural piece (ie. At the center, reposition the bore and 4 axle bolt holes together horizontally slightly towards the rear.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Can the pedals be moved forward? It looks like there are 2 possible positions. I heard that removing the boomerang and moving the pads forward can help with better performance/balance. Moving the pedals to coincide with these adjustments would be helpful I'd think. Edited March 22, 2022 by Grimm10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolis Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Message from the S20 Telegram group (guy says that he has direct contact to sales representative of Kingsong): Â "Kingsong sent 40 of their employees to the battery/BMS factory today in case to help" "So probably we could have the batch 1 in 2-3 weeks" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post techyiam Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Can the pedals be moved forward? It looks like there are 2 possible positions. I heard that removing the boomerang and moving the pads forward can help with better performance/balance. Moving the pedals to coincide with these adjustments would be helpful I'd think. Pedals are directly mounted onto the bottom of the battery box. Since the battery box is not centered about the axle, but rather forward biased, the pedal mounts are offset so that the pedals are centered about the axle. Wrong way interchanged the pedals from the two sides, resulting in pedals that are slightly off center towards the front. Edited March 22, 2022 by techyiam 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunzn Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, Grimm10 said: Can the pedals be moved forward? It looks like there are 2 possible positions. I heard that removing the boomerang and moving the pads forward can help with better performance/balance. Moving the pedals to coincide with these adjustments would be helpful I'd think. this are the pedals mounted in a forward position (L/R switch). seems to ride better. but then his jumppads are still in the 'same' position like other riders. heel-support at the rear corner of the battery is similar to the ARTech's video with the grizzlypads and others which all ride the pedals in the standard position. so his foot probably hasn't moved that much forward. but hard to tell .... in one of the very early chinese s20 videos one test rider drove the pedals like that too, but not sure if i want them to stick out that much in the front... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rawnei Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Blunzn said: this are the pedals mounted in a forward position (L/R switch). seems to ride better. but then his jumppads are still in the 'same' position like other riders. heel-support at the rear corner of the battery is similar to the ARTech's video with the grizzlypads and others which all ride the pedals in the standard position. so his foot probably hasn't moved that much forward. but hard to tell .... in one of the very early chinese s20 videos one test rider drove the pedals like that too, but not sure if i want them to stick out that much in the front... Doesn't look optimal, pedals are very far forward, of course depends on shoe size but for a lot of riders heels will probably end up outside the pedals while there will be a lot of unused space in the front. Also if you are the type of rider to play around in skateparks and have your feet so far forward they can hit top part of jumps (happened to me before I move feet more back), in this case the pedals would hit instead which is even worse, potentially same would happen in some off-road scenarios. I think key is adjusting pads like other wheels. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blunzn Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) first mods are coming. I still miss some small minimalistic metal cage part that supports the rear part of the seat and protects the oil container a bit. then the 'emergency' seat can maybe be a better 'racing' seat  from https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4899144860161515/ edit: and https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4897424213666913/ Edited March 22, 2022 by Blunzn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Blunzn said: first mods are coming. I still miss some small minimalistic metal cage part that supports the rear part of the seat and protects the oil container a bit. then the 'emergency' seat can maybe be a better 'racing' seat  from https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4899144860161515/ That's pretty cool, looks can probably be refined but very nice base! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Blunzn said: first mods are coming. I still miss some small minimalistic metal cage part that supports the rear part of the seat and protects the oil container a bit. then the 'emergency' seat can maybe be a better 'racing' seat  from https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4899144860161515/ edit: and https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4897424213666913/ It looks awful but also significantly less dangerous when falling on you during crazy off-road adventures. I'm sure we'll see owners coming with extensive padding ideas to protect the wheel weak points (shock) and themselves when it rolls out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolis Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Blunzn said: first mods are coming. I still miss some small minimalistic metal cage part that supports the rear part of the seat and protects the oil container a bit. then the 'emergency' seat can maybe be a better 'racing' seat  from https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4899144860161515/ edit: and https://www.facebook.com/groups/kingsong/permalink/4897424213666913/ Kingsong design team probably full of rage 😆 you hid the whole wheel! Now it looks like a prototype of a car when nobody must see how it really looks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunzn Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) changes made to the preproduction model (from the S20 telegram group): Â Â Edited March 23, 2022 by Blunzn 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forwardnbak Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Revision to the motherboard sounds nice, hopefully to solve the apparent 2mtr thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 While I'm certain that KS are working on various refinements and FW tuning I would take things written on telegram with a dash of salt, those are not from official representatives and until verified they are rumors. For example it's been mentioned that they are improving the suspension with no details what that would entail, it's not official information and could mean anything could mean nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Ecodrift just published their first S20 teardown ! https://ecodrift.ru/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/https://ecodrift-ru.translate.goog/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp (translated) Edited March 23, 2022 by supercurio 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolis Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, supercurio said: Ecodrift just published their first S20 teardown ! https://ecodrift.ru/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/https://ecodrift-ru.translate.goog/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp (translated) And we have got the mosfets! But they are mounted with the necessary info the other way so we still dont know 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rawnei Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, supercurio said: Ecodrift just published their first S20 teardown ! https://ecodrift.ru/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/https://ecodrift-ru.translate.goog/2022/03/23/kingsong-s20-razbiraem/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp (translated) Thanks, that was an interesting read, not many new things stand out, the big takeaways I could find: Front lights are not waterproof, can probably be fixed with some silicone, but yeah.. The sliders again, nothing new but same problems seen by ecodrift, interestingly they wrote (google translate): Quote In general, I believe that the suspension does not work out of the box due to too much friction on all nodes. I sent my regards to Kingsong, to which they sent me another pack of apologies and promises to correct the situation in the next upcoming game. But hard to believe. It is necessary to see how the dry lubrication suspension will work (although paint still interferes in the channels). And yet we need new sliders that will not accumulate, but push the dirt. Which seems they are making some kind of improvement? So besides those things and what is already promised to get fixed like bumpers I think it looks pretty damn solid?! (Hopium) 🤔 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolis Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rawnei said: Thanks, that was an interesting read, not many new things stand out, the big takeaways I could find: Front lights are not waterproof, can probably be fixed with some silicone, but yeah.. The sliders again, nothing new but same problems seen by ecodrift, interestingly they wrote (google translate): Which seems they are making some kind of improvement? So besides those things and what is already promised to get fixed like bumpers I think it looks pretty damn solid?! (Hopium) 🤔 The sliders are the only thing that worries me. I am not confident in longetivity of the channels. At least I was expecting a sleeve for the sliders extra to the battery box indentation. So if things eventually grind down, you could change both the sleeves and sliders. Just like in engines you have sleeves for pistons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forwardnbak Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Man I’m stoked! Looking better and better in my (cough) EAGLE eyes  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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