Miko.cz Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 S20 Headlights:@Jack King Song 15° angle for tiltable headlights - its great idea, but is that enough tilt? I often commute over shared way for cyclist + pedestrians. I would like to use EUC headlights at evening but not to vaporize pedestrians with 40Watts . (And I would not ride there 70km/h with request to see behind corner) Is it also dimmable (could be in few steps)? Sometimes its good to be seen by others better (foggy, late afternoon, alley of trees with shadows during sunny days) but not necessary to full fire lights. Plus in some countries (ex. Czech) cars must have daylights on, motorbikes also. Question is why others on road shoud not, sooner or later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, Miko.cz said: Plus in some countries (ex. Czech) cars must have daylights on, motorbikes also. Question is why others on road shoud not, sooner or later. agree, this should be a shared general rule across the world imho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Miko.cz said: Is it also dimmable (could be in few steps)? A good idea would be to have full control over the 8 leds, so you can choose which ones should be on or off or blinking (and you could set and save patterns or choose from preset manufacturer patterns). You could then define a set of patterns (e.g. "full light, daylight, speed-sensitive") and the EUC on/off button would cycle the headlights through that set of selected patterns. Many EUCs already come with decorative LEDs with a variety of preset patterns to choose from, in particular speed dependent patterns. It should be a no-brainer to apply this customization flexibility to the headlights of the S20. You could also allow a programmable dependence on acceleration/velocity/lean/light sensor to make sophisticated smart light profiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mike_bike_kite Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, yoos said: A good idea would be to have full control over the 8 leds, so you can choose which ones should be on or off or blinking (and you could set and save patterns or choose from preset manufacturer patterns). Why would anyone want to control their front headlamp like that??? I suspect it would also be illegal in many countries. Then there's their effect on people suffering from epilepsy - some of whom might be driving a car towards you. At the end of the day I think most folk would just want full or dipped beam and the control for this would be quite easy with a switch as opposed to a complicated app. Lights that can tilt would be good on long climbs or descents - automatically tilting lights would be brilliant! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Wouldn't control and settings of lights be within an app as it currently is with EUC world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said: Why would anyone want to control their front headlamp like that??? I would, for a number of reasons Since an automatically, dynamically adjusted tilt is not available yet, this could be substituted by having the four leds in each column having varying angles. You could then setup the algorithm in such a way that at low speeds you only have the lowest beam and then, as speed increases, you would add ever higher beams. Moreover, you could mimic the corner lights some cars have: dedicated leds to shine into the turn which are only switched on when you are turning (or simply leaning, as this is easier to detect). I would also like to be able to have a decent headlight accompanied by a weak blinking low beam to increase my visibility without blinding or causing damage to onlookers. You could also replace one of the leds with yellow and use it to indicate turns (however, indicating turns on an EUC body is silly in general since an EUC is so narrow, I always indicate with hands). Having multiple leds allows for a lot of flexibility and it would be a pity not to unlock these options. I do not want all users to be forced to use an app at all, just give them the typical kingsong patterns (high beam/low beam/both) to cycle with the physical button. However, having the option of finer control would be great. It would allow users to experiment with different profiles and configurations and eventually Kingsong could learn what the most practical/desired configurations are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Paul A said: Wouldn't control and settings of lights be within an app as it currently is with EUC world? Yes, it would. I just hope that we will get more options than just preset "high/low/both/blinking/auto" headlight options and that we will have some control over individual leds. Coupled with any kind of led modularity this would give great potential to modding headlights. Edit: of course, this is all not very important to this wheel, and the wheel seems great and innovative anyway. It's just an exciting option that can be added at almost no cost since customization was already available for side leds on kingsongs own models (16S, 18L etc.) Edited September 8, 2021 by yoos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Hand held torches available from Ebay, using CREE brand high intensity LEDs are incredibly bright, much better than weak headlights on an EUC. CREE LED lights are proprietary technology/intellectual property of an American company. Lumens claims are realistic. Chinese companies have a copy version that is cheaper, reasonable, but not as brilliant. Stated lumens claims are sometimes greatly exaggerated. 18650 batteries from recognized Japanese/South Korean battery manufacturers of Panasonic, Samsung, LG, etc are high quality and deliver long operational times, even with torch at brightest mode. Chinese brand 18650 batteries make greatly exaggerated claims of amps capacity, much cheaper though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmark Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, yoos said: Since an automatically, dynamically adjusted tilt is not available yet, this could be substituted by having the four leds in each column having varying angles. This would be a good idea, not for varying the headlight angle based on speed, but on incline of the road. Currently all EUC headlights point at the ground while on an incline and blind others while on a decline. Edited September 8, 2021 by itsmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ádám Szitás Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, yoos said: I would, for a number of reasons Since an automatically, dynamically adjusted tilt is not available yet, this could be substituted by having the four leds in each column having varying angles. You could then setup the algorithm in such a way that at low speeds you only have the lowest beam and then, as speed increases, you would add ever higher beams. Moreover, you could mimic the corner lights some cars have: dedicated leds to shine into the turn which are only switched on when you are turning (or simply leaning, as this is easier to detect). I would also like to be able to have a decent headlight accompanied by a weak blinking low beam to increase my visibility without blinding or causing damage to onlookers. You could also replace one of the leds with yellow and use it to indicate turns (however, indicating turns on an EUC body is silly in general since an EUC is so narrow, I always indicate with hands). Having multiple leds allows for a lot of flexibility and it would be a pity not to unlock these options. I do not want all users to be forced to use an app at all, just give them the typical kingsong patterns (high beam/low beam/both) to cycle with the physical button. However, having the option of finer control would be great. It would allow users to experiment with different profiles and configurations and eventually Kingsong could learn what the most practical/desired configurations are. I wanted to say the same thing, I really hope the 4 row of leds have different tilts by default so you can choose how high you want to light the road ahead by turning them on and off seperately, further adjusted by the 15degree tilt if needed. It would also be a cool touch if you could set the speed at when they would turn on. If we are already talking about convenience, I hope there is a way to carry the wheel without having to turn it off and then on again like with the sherman...it is a real pain if you are forced to carry over obstacles many times. One more thing, is it finally possible to turn off kingsong beeps? I remember it beeps like a hundred times when bluetooth connects... Edited September 8, 2021 by Ádám Szitás Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko.cz Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 just idea - headlights have two parts: Left and Right - does it make any sense using them similar way as a rearlight for signalizating EUC turn? It will not substitude rider hand, it would be just cool maybe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Miko.cz said: It will not substitude rider hand, it would be just cool maybe. Indeed it would be cool and I would like to have this option. Quite ineffective, yes, but it could serve a legal purpose: some jurisdictions may require vehicles to have turn signals. The blinking led on turning side would fulfil this requirement. Edit: and since it would be activated by lean you could never be accused of turning without indicating However, don't carve with this option on. Edited September 8, 2021 by yoos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post itsmark Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) Unpopular opinion: EUCs with turn signals are actually more dangerous than without since they don't reflect what the rider is actually about to do. They might turn on when the rider is carving or not turn on before the rider is making the turn. This makes it so that turn signals are not reliable and only give wrong info or the info is given too late for others to make decisions based off it. IMO the only way to make turn signals on an EUC make sense is by making the rider directly control it (say with a remote), but at that point you should just be using hand signals instead. Edited September 9, 2021 by itsmark 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yoos Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, itsmark said: Unpopular opinion: EUCs with turn signals are actually more dangerous than without I agree (not sure, why you think your opinion is unpopular), turn signals are both misleading and pointless on EUCs (although you can constrain your riding style to minimize wrong signals). You usually get more information just from the riders body language than from a small light that is even hard to tell whether it's on the left or on the right and whether it's a turn signal at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Paul A said: Hand held torches available from Ebay, using CREE brand high intensity LEDs are incredibly bright, much better than weak headlights on an EUC. The V11 headlight is much brighter than any of the 1x or 2x 18650 Cree handhelds that I have owned. I have not invested very much in them though, and I know that there are better options available. But they are definitely not automatically better than any EUC headlight. 1 hour ago, Ádám Szitás said: One more thing, is it finally possible to turn off kingsong beeps? I remember it beeps like a hundred times when bluetooth connects... Removing the KS beeps has been an ongoing process for about two years now since Jack asked about what the community wants. The answers were pretty unanimous. I guess it’s just a really really difficult thing to do… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post div Posted September 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, itsmark said: IMO the only way to make turn signals on an EUC make sense is by making the rider directly control it (say with a remote), but at that point you should just be using hand signals instead. Yes, EUCs are too narrow anyway, no car will understand sonne tiny blink in a 10cm area. They should just drop it, not only are they are un-readable, they activate too late (you're supposed to make the signal -before- turning), and might make people think they dont need to make hand signal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, itsmark said: Unpopular opinion: EUCs with turn signals are actually more dangerous than without since they don't reflect what the rider is actually about to do. They might turn on when the rider is carving or not turn on before the rider is making the turn. This makes it so that turn signals are not reliable and only give wrong info or the info is given too late for others to make decisions based off it. IMO the only way to make turn signals on an EUC make sense is by making the rider directly control it (say with a remote), but at that point you should just be using hand signals instead. I guess their behaviour could be selected in the app so you can choose to have automatic turn signals or not. Being able to say you have turn signals just removes another hurdle that the law might throw at us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ádám Szitás said: It would also be a cool touch if you could set the speed at when they would turn on. The 16X has speed based high and low beams (auto mode) so this is def not a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redfoxdude Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I wouldn't be surprised if all existing functional units are actually 100v. Could be they haven't finished designing/testing/manufacturing their 126V system - hopefully they can actually deliver on this promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, ugoaps said: Could this be the reason JackKingSong left KingSong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin-on-1 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, ugoaps said: I wouldn't get too worked up just yet. eVX playing games. It is on the NYC telegram chat. Jack is leaving KS, but doesn't seem to be related to this. eVX said on telegram that S20 is still 126v. Perhaps Jack or Mickey will be kind enough to clear this up for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) On 9/8/2021 at 11:18 AM, mike_bike_kite said: I guess their behaviour could be selected in the app so you can choose to have automatic turn signals or not. Being able to say you have turn signals just removes another hurdle that the law might throw at us. Good point about turn signals, tho I wonder how many other obvious requirements are missing. I think they should be able to be turned off tho. I find the auto signals to be a distraction from my 'brake' lights on the sherm. And hell, a turn signal is supposed to indicate intent. Its no longer intent and is too late, if it comes on once you begin the turn. Isnt it 100' prior to turn or something? Bicycles dont require turn signals. I use my hand signals as I've done since a child. One could ponder if the safest is to simply have a remote and backpack with signals, as previously mentioned... Edited September 9, 2021 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said: Jack is leaving KS Really? He did such a good job, especially with the S20 livestream! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miko.cz Posted September 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) eh, I have pre-order of S20, Im a bit scared now. I hope Jack did not left KS because of some fatal failure KS in S20 what he "promised" (spec, quality...) to us. Edit: highly speculative and unverified. Edited September 9, 2021 by Miko.cz correction 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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