Scottie888 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Understood. I too am a EUC enthusiast so no arguments on its pros & cons. However, I'm also not sure using disparate examples for comparo & using selective facts to skew the results also do much for the cause either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickD Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 @ShanesPlanet No, I was not placing value on miles. I wouldn't use an EUC to carry cargo nor go long distances. I also did not include medical expenses (though that is of course something that occurs to me); there are many conditions that vary between riders, so I was trying to stick to just mechanical wear and maintenance of the devices themselves. It sounds like you live in an area where an EUC wouldn't be very practical, so I understand why it is purely recreational for you. I do have a car, but much of my driving is almost as quick, more enjoyable, and with a good degree of safety by EUC, based on how I operate the EUC. Safety is of course debatable. So again I am just looking at equipment costs here. Thank you for your input. @Scottie888 Yes, I had looked at a number of other transportation devices. Due to the form factor, portability, etc. I chose the EUC. Since I have a car, I am looking at equipment wear should I make a trip somewhere via EUC or car, when I have the option. To all: If I really wanted to branch out to other factors, there's the embarrassment factor of the EUC. Not everyone is a fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, PatrickD said: embarrassment factor of the EUC I feel proud driving a EUC. Love it. How much is that worth? Priceless! Edited March 24, 2021 by Tasku 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) TCO is entirely dependent on usage location/broader context. The TCO of the exact same car can be completely different whether you live in rural Idaho or the center of Manhattan. EUCs also happens to be best suited for those locations/contexts where automobiles fair worst in terms of TCO--namely in cities with higher insurances, higher taxes/registration fees, higher parking fees, higher incidence of accidents requiring repairs, often better public transpo infrastructure (which EUCs synergize with), etc. EUCs (particularly used in conjunction with public transpo infrastructure) can slaughter traditional automobiles in TCO as a daily commuter in urban environments, but which of course flips the other way the further you get from civilization. Edited March 25, 2021 by AtlasP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickD Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tasku said: I feel proud driving a EUC. Love it. How much is that worth? Priceless! OK, maybe embarrassment was a strong word. There are definitely some awkward situations though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post winterwheel Posted March 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2021 7 hours ago, OldFartRides said: Ha ! You own ten wheels, and that’s not a stable of toys ? Oh, ok they’re “tools”, with each and every one having a specific use for a specific job. Got it. best, I run training sessions through the summer and rent the wheels out to people, as well as organizing group rides for folks in an effort to promote wheeling. A significant percentage of the people who ride in my city learned through my little school. One of the value-adds is to allow people to try lots of different wheels so they can pick a wheel that works for them rather than ordering something online and hoping for the best. I actually have 20 wheels now, five are MTen3s for example, reserved for indoor training over the winter. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post winterwheel Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, DangerDan said: I bet 95% of all wheels are only used recreational so yea they are toys for the most people. And i dont see how this will change in the near future. If you compare them to its strongest competition (bicycles) the possibilities to transport stuff is very limited, they are the more dangerous, harder to ride and less capable on and offroad. There isnt really much benefit beside the formfactor. Because you bet on something is in no way evidence for any conclusion. Very strongly disagree with almost everything you've said here, maybe you're just trolling I don't know. For me, having my hands free makes wheeling far more practical for running small errands than a bicycle. Bikes are endlessly being stolen and owners fret over the possibility whenever they are not nearby. Wheels are far more pedestrian friendly than bikes. Bikes are inconvenient to store on one or both ends of a commute. I've done commuting time on both bike and wheel, I'm much safer on the wheel. Edited March 25, 2021 by winterwheel 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, winterwheel said: I run training sessions through the summer and rent the wheels out to people, as well as organizing group rides for folks in an effort to promote wheeling. A significant percentage of the people who ride in my city learned through my little school. One of the value-adds is to allow people to try lots of different wheels so they can pick a wheel that works for them rather than ordering something online and hoping for the best. I actually have 20 wheels now, five are MTen3s for example, reserved for indoor training over the winter. That is awesome man ! I take my hat off to you. Best, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfling Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, winterwheel said: If you compare them to its strongest competition (bicycles) the possibilities to transport stuff is very limited, they are the more dangerous, harder to ride and less capable on and offroad. There isnt really much benefit beside the formfactor. Excuse me, we're going off-topic here but I can't agree with that. For years, I rode bicycles in metro NY for work and errands up until I got an EUC. Sold those bikes last year for an EUC upgrade. Load handling is the same or maybe even better on the EUC , hands-free riding. Dangerous and harder to ride? that IMHO, depends on user skills and sensibilities. On a side note, I ride a variety - Fatbike, Folding mini, SS roadbike, FS trailbike, Recumbent, Assorted skateboards, Assorted rollerblades. 2 hours ago, winterwheel said: Wheels are far more pedestrian friendly than bikes. Bikes are inconvenient to store on one or both ends of a commute. I've done commuting time on both bike and wheel, I'm much safer on the wheel. Yes, and not to mention, EUC takes me to a client with zero sweat stains, not smelling like a locker room Of course, bikes have better health benefits like getting your heart rate up. Mines shoot up like a rocket every time I have to lock my bikes out on the sidewalk. Edited March 25, 2021 by Surfling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Winter wheel didn’t say that in the first quote. WW was quoting DangerDan. Best, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfling Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, OldFartRides said: Winter wheel didn’t say that in the first quote. WW was quoting DangerDan. Best, Correct, I saw that, too. 'Don't know what I did and couldn't edit it properly. My apologies @winterwheel and clearly, I agree with you on this issue. Good looking-out and thank you @OldFartRides. Edited March 25, 2021 by Surfling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xiiijojjo Posted March 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2021 I just want to add that some people don't want to own cars/motorcycles for a number of reasons that i'm not going to get into but they mostly boil down to a mix of lifestyle choices and economy. I don't use eucs as toys but as my primary mode of transportation, and have even used them for work in the past. As a young guy with no kids to drive around this type of vehicle is perfect for many reasons. I can typically carry anything i buy without the need of a car and again i don't have a need to transport other people. Also i don't typically travel for longer than euc battery capacities allow, not because of inherent limitations but because i only really need to travel within the city i live in. I don't have a drivers license and have never wanted for one... If i were to get a car i would need to pay for a drivers license, the car, insurance (repeating payment), and gas (repeating payment), and repairs (repeating payment) With an euc i need to buy and euc, some protective gear, a tire every 8000km (from my experience), 1-2 inner tubes every 8000km, potentially a few bearings (they don't all fail), and some electricity (repeating payment) Even if a were to buy a new expensive euc every year or every other year (instead of riding the euc until it fully dies) this still ends up being the most economically viable option to me taking into consideration the repeating payments necessary to own and operate a car daily. Not all people has your lifestyle or situation in life and to some people the prospect of having a car just doesn't make sense on many different levels be they related to economy, lifestyle or utility. In the same vein to many people, because of their lifestyle or situation, an euc can only ever be seen as something merely recreational because of it's utility in relation to their lifestyle or situation. So perceived value, as with all things, is relative... It is also subjective to whomever is evaluating it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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