What would be a good 2nd wheel to pair with a Sherman? 16x vs Mten3 vs MCM5v2

[HumbleHusky]

I currently own a 16x because it seemed the most versatile wheel for me at the time (2019)- I could ride it to work from home and back, or throw it in the car and use it as a last mile commuter when I traveled into the city. Now I'm looking to get a Sherman since I'm a relatively large guy (235 lbs and 6'2") and planned on using it as a commuter wheel- the 16x gets the job done between work and home but I am frequently being passed by cars doing 30+ mph making the 16x a bit dangerous considering traffic (while I've hit 31mph on it, I don't feel comfortable sustaining anything above 28mph on the 16x).

With the Sherman, I'd use it to keep up with the flow of traffic while I'm commuting from home to work. Unfortunately, the Sherman is not a wheel I'm going to throw in the back of my car for a last mile commuter wheel. Since the 16x probably won't get much use comparatively, I don't know how much sense it makes to keep it as just a last mile commuter. I was looking at a 2nd smaller wheel to pretty much throw in the car and screw around at the destination- ideally something with a lot of low end torque that I can safely cruise at 20mph if I needed to travel that last mile. I am torn between keeping the 16x for this, or trading it for the MCM5v2 or MTen3.

So my question really is what would pair well with the Sherman? Should I keep my 16x or sell it and get a MCM5v2, 84v 460wh Mten3, or 84v 512wh Mten3? (Or another option that I haven't considered)

Edited February 26, 2021 by HumbleHusky
Grammar and spelling

[Tawpie]

cue @ShanesPlanet! I wonder what he'll recommend? The suspense is killing me.

[Gasmantle]

I've only had my Mten3 for 2 days so I'm probably not the best person to offer advice but I think if you are wanting to cruise at 20mph it probably isn't the wheel for you.

It's a great little wheel to keep in the back of the car or put in a rucksack for a quick commute of a few miles but personally I wouldn't want to ride it regularly at 20mph. Owing to it's small size it seems to magnify the effect of speed so that 20mph will feel incredibly fast, because I've only just bought my wheel and still getting used to it I've probably not exceeded about 12mph yet and even that feels fast.

I've no doubt once I've gotten more used to it I'll try it at 20mph occasionally but I don't think it would be ideal for regular use at that kind of speed.

[mike_bike_kite]

I'd look at the V10F. It's lighter and cheaper than the 16X but you won't feel like a circus elephant on a tricycle like you will on the Mten3. 

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3 hours ago, Tawpie said:

cue @ShanesPlanet! I wonder what he'll recommend? The suspense is killing me.

Keep the 16X. At 230lbs, the 16 IS a small wheel for you. I love my mten, but im nearly half your weight. I have the smallest version of mten and its meager top speed of 12mph(i think) is still damn fast. I havent bothered getting a faster mten, no point as its just NOT the wheel for that.  A small wheel COULD hold you for a bit, but I'd be worried about being near its limits too easily.  'safely' cruising at 20 mph with 230lbs is NOT an easy task fora  smaller wheel. 20-25mph is the safe speed for your specs on a 16X. Anything smaller, youll probably need slower to maintain headroom.  I havent treid an mcm5, MAYBE its got the juice to handle what you are requesting. Im pretty sure 31mph in the lying world of locksong is more like 27mph. 

The Sherm is a fun wheel, just be careful and be mindful that you are at a disadvantage in traffic. If you are a 'live on the edge' type guy, tis no big deal. If you are a 'worry about leaving my family behind" type, you neeed REALLY watch your ass on streets. Also be ready for legal intrusion eventually, as these devices arent registered and insured for street. I wouldnt worry about your 16x collecting dust when you get another wheel. I have more than one and they vary greatly. I still enjoy each one regularly as they offer different flavors for different intentions.

Edited February 26, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[Gasmantle]

24 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Keep the 16X. I have the smallest version of mten and its meager top speed of 12mph(i think) is still damn fast. 

Shane, I thought all Mten's had the same top speed of 24mph?

I could be wrong but I thought the 64v ones just had a smaller battery and slightly slower acceleration. 

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37 minutes ago, Gasmantle said:

Shane, I thought all Mten's had the same top speed of 24mph?

I could be wrong but I thought the 64v ones just had a smaller battery and slightly slower acceleration. 

Im embarassed to admit, but I honestly don't know. I could totally be mistaken and maybe it will do 20mph? I hit speed beeps on mine every now and then, I just assumed it was slower. The mten is my wheel that doesnt get connected to eucw or apps as i don't want to muck with that. Its kind of unlike me, but with the mten, I just dont think about it and ride it. You know, simplicity and all.  Hell, maybe mine is set at slower alarms than top speed. I guess I COULD connect to it and see. Does the mten even have setable alarms? Once I realized the FW cant be updated via app on the mten, I never connected it to one since.

 

I stand corrected. You would think I would have remembered that. Oh well, ima burnout and never claimed to NOT be full of sh**. Good catch @Gasmantle, I appreciate clarification and being corrected when I am obviously wrong. Apologies for misleading anyone. It seems that 18 and 15mph are the 67v mtens speeds. No wonder I was thnking.. damn, 12mph is flying on this thing, as I wasnt doing 12mph.

Edited February 26, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[Gasmantle]

@ShanesPlanetbefore I bought my Mten3 I did the usual look at all the youtube videos first and I'm pretty sure there's one where a rider claims to have got 30mph! I can only assume the app must have been reading incorrectly but If I can find it I'll post it here.

[Scottie888]

I only have experience with 2 of the aforementioned wheels (Mten3 & MCM5v2) & although I ride with someone who has the 16x, I haven't tried his. Far's specs go, I don't think there's any doubt that the 16x is the superior wheel if for nothing else, the extended range proffered by the 15xx wh battery. If others were to assert that its also superior in other aspects, I won't offer any arguments either as I can't say for sure.

Being that I owned (or have owned) the other 2, I can safely say that the Mten3 is the last word in a truly portable last mile commuter/rideable that is also super fun ride just for sake of it. Provided ofcos one is fully aware of its limitations. Yes it'll do 23-25mph...for a short burst at 100% battery. Other than that I would say its more like a 15-18mph wheel unless one is ok with a faceplant or more. Also the 10" tire isn't the best on less than stellar surfaces

The MCM5 is IMO an awesome wheel. Its as fast as my Tesla v2 (& 16x) but safe cruising is around 18-25mph. Depending on rider weight, terrain & ave spds, real world range is btwn 20-30+miles. On paper its a hair <10lbs lighter than the Tesla but in reality, its feels a whole lot less both in conveyance & when riding. Its doesn't handle like the Mten3 (nothing does) but its much more nimble than Tesla or S18. Comfort is as good the Tesla even though its only 14". Other than battery, the Tesla & S18 are similar to it in specs but the M5 just feels super quick & climbs more effortlessly. Its my choice of a mountain goat.

If you don't require nor want size & weight of the 16x & if the Mten3 is too limited, the MCM5v2 is awesome. Its fun, quick & light enough to do skatepark tricks. As a short(er) range range urban allrounder, its my fav weapon of choice. I enjoy riding it more than the Tesla or Mten. The S18 ofcos beats everything for my intended offroad usage.

[RetroThruster]

Short answer, MCM5.  I do have a fondness for the 16x, it's a great wheel, had one and miss it, the MCM5 however feels much lighter and more playful imo.

[Gasmantle]

@ShanesPlanethere is the video I mentioned of the rider who claims to have reached 30mph on a Mten3 

From about 5mins onward she discusses it then a bit later showing the app at 30mph.

 

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Vee is a freaking beast! She doesnt just 'claim' things, she freaking DOES it! Be sure and subscribe to her channel, she is elloquent, intelligent and just amazing. If only I had nutz as big as hers!

[Scottie]

@HumbleHusky it depends on what your car destinations are and what kind of last mile traveling you would be doing. If you primarily intend to mix it up in pedestrian areas ... then the Mten3 wins. If you plan to do some light general touring of an area and mix it up with bicycles then I like @RetroThruster MCM5 suggestion. But if you really want to do some miles when you get there, keep the 16X. So it all depends on where your car ends up. But the MCM5 sounds like it would be the best wheel for all of that kind of stuff ... more flexibility. 

[Unipilot69]

I would keep the 16X. I have an mten3. It's fun and can propel my 250 pounds at a sustained 15 mph. I have to tread very lightly through. I have to worry about cutouts and breaking the axle. I have the 67 volt version. I purchased it not knowing I would receive an RS a few weeks later. I still ride the mten3. The 67 volt version was the best value. What the asking price for the 84 volt version is I would rather get the mcm5.