INMOTION V12 (pre-release)

[AtlasP]

One trend I've noticed is that most IM wheels look better in person than their renders--not sure if it's the particular design(s) of their wheels or something about the style/way they happen to generate their renders. Conversely the two best-looking renders, the Z10 and S18, actually look slightly less good in-person--not that they look bad in person at all/they still look great, but their renders definitely make them look better compared to IM's which tend to look worse. The V11 was the perfect example of this--the renders for the V11 looked a little weird, yet it looks absolutely fantastic in-person, really right at home right beside the Z10, which many people wouldn't have guessed from the renders alone.

Edited March 29, 2021 by AtlasP

[evX_Mick]

4 hours ago, Scottie888 said:

Hahaha maybe. I have to admit that I 1st got wind of this EUC thangy from a Kuji vid on the MSP which got my eyes wide opened. And you know that what they say about can't forgetting the 1st time...🤪

Frankly its more a dig at your tease vid than anything so 'nuff of that. Give us the full Monty willya 👍

i have an entire 8 part series coming. Relaaaaaax! Youre just mad you had to delay your gratification lol. But that teaser video was fire!

[Flying W]

25 minutes ago, evX_Mick said:

i have an entire 8 part series coming. Relaaaaaax! Youre just mad you had to delay your gratification lol. But that teaser video was fire!

Oh no...don't being FIRE into this . Love your videos, can't wait to watch the series! 

[mike_bike_kite]

18 hours ago, evX_Mick said:

i have an entire 8 part series coming. Relaaaaaax! Youre just mad you had to delay your gratification lol. But that teaser video was fire!

8 parts???

it's still just an EUC right or does it make coffee as well?

Do you have a date when you're allowed to release some actual information?

 

[VikB]

2 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

8 parts???

it's still just an EUC right or does it make coffee as well?

Do you have a date when you're allowed to release some actual information?

 

They got LOTRs out in only 4 parts and that was 3 long books! 

[Ben Kim]

This wheel does absolutely nothing for me. The only distinct feature this wheel offers is being the heaviest 1800 (1750)Wh 16 incher on the market, when there is the lighter RS, Nikola, and a Veteran Sherman that comes in 12 lbs heavier for nearly double the battery and bigger motor/tire. 

Seeing how IM is handling the V11 bearing issues is troubling to say the least, considering the V12 has the same style motor. 

I’d steer very clear of this wheel at all costs. 

Say what you want about Gotway selling wheels with cracker jack toy quality, they attempt to fix (and mostly succeed) major issues, not sweep them under the rug like IM did. 

[Kekafuch]

18 hours ago, evX_Mick said:

i have an entire 8 part series coming. Relaaaaaax! Youre just mad you had to delay your gratification lol. But that teaser video was fire!

Remember when BMW did a 8 part movie series w Clive Owen? That was awesome and increased BMW sales 10-15%! 

i think with youtube content, people just want an escape during lunch time or something cool to show their friends that yeah that’s what I ride  Reviews are cool but maybe some fantasy is what makes WWE such a success.

There’s Nerf blaster content with over 1 millions subscribers that just focus on make believe scenarios or dramatic CGI game play. 
 

EUC should be making their way into a hollywood movie or music video or RedBull ESPN event soon. I would watch a dramatic and cinematically made EUC short film series over and over again. Like the V11 skit that made Law Laxina a household name on par with Kuji for me. 
 

a CyberPunk EUC short film series with New York as the back drop! Disney might even be interested if it turns Gizmo Duck into a successful run off and Justin Bieber already rides skateboards for fun. Almost seems perfect for a Korean music producer to choreograph. 
 

Hmm, ok so a struggling ballerina goes to NYC to make it. In between creepy casting calls , she makes rent by doing food delivery on bicycle. One day her brakes fail and it’s an epic scene smashing in to taxis and honking as she crashes and slides into a dumpster. Cleaning off all the garbage, she is looking for her cell phone when there’s a glowing box in the alley. “EVX Enterprises” , top secret, for Mickey only, China InMotion ☢️. She takes the glowing box home...

After taking a shower, she gets the text that she is fired and her landlord gives her eviction notice. She packs her one bag and takes the EVX box. 
 

Walking to the park a suspicious person comes and robs her. As they struggle to take the box, the lid pops off and reveals the InMotion V12. Her hand is placed on the shell and biometrics are registered. The wheel takes out the perps and is just balancing there. She runs away in fear and the wheel pursues....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AtlasP]

On 3/28/2021 at 11:40 AM, Ben Kim said:

This wheel does absolutely nothing for me. The only distinct feature this wheel offers is being the heaviest 1800 (1750)Wh 16 incher on the market, when there is the lighter RS, Nikola, and a Veteran Sherman that comes in 12 lbs heavier for nearly double the battery and bigger motor/tire. 

Seeing how IM is handling the V11 bearing issues is troubling to say the least, considering the V12 has the same style motor. 

I’d steer very clear of this wheel at all costs. 

Say what you want about Gotway selling wheels with cracker jack toy quality, they attempt to fix (and mostly succeed) major issues, not sweep them under the rug like IM did. 

More FUD--the V12 has a traditional motor, not a hollow-bore one. So if someone is concerned about hollow-bore motor issues and wants to buy a new, 100v wheel in the low-to-mid $2ks (versus their next options up at $3200-3700 -- ~50% more), then their *only* options at this point are the Nikola (which is 2 years old, likely has less torque, has a terrible headlight & not great trolley handle, etc) or the forthcoming V12.

With the precipitous decline in both consumer & reseller confidence surrounding Begode/Gotway (including the botched RS), the irrelevance of King Song in this market segment/context (whose offerings don't even approach their advertised 84v speeds let alone 100v speeds), and Veteran failing to offer something closer to the more-mainstream MSP/RS/Nikola-class price-point & specs (separate from the premium-priced Sherman now at $3200), the market is ripe for a new 100v mainstream wheel in the low/mid-$2k's. InMotion is going to absolutely make bank on the V12 as long as the price stays under ~$2500/2600. (Remember the 100v/1845Wh Nikola+ launched on ewheels at like $2550.)

Edited March 29, 2021 by AtlasP

[Kurtosis]

52 minutes ago, Ben Kim said:

considering the V12 has the same style motor. 

Nope.

[jimjam.nyc]

1 hour ago, Ben Kim said:

This wheel does absolutely nothing for me. The only distinct feature this wheel offers is being the heaviest 1800 (1750)Wh 16 incher on the market, when there is the lighter RS, Nikola, and a Veteran Sherman that comes in 12 lbs heavier for nearly double the battery and bigger motor/tire. 

Seeing how IM is handling the V11 bearing issues is troubling to say the least, considering the V12 has the same style motor. 

I’d steer very clear of this wheel at all costs. 

Say what you want about Gotway selling wheels with cracker jack toy quality, they attempt to fix (and mostly succeed) major issues, not sweep them under the rug like IM did. 

For anyone looking at any new wheel, wait for reviews if you are Not 100% confident.

Please don't listen to people who 1st of all are not informed of things, and also have a clear bias for a particular brand. Do your own research and come to a decision.

Same crap happened when v11 and s18 came out. The fan boys on both sides were some of the most annoying posts to weed through.

Edited March 28, 2021 by jimjam.nyc

[Ben Kim]

It sounds like people WANT IM to succeed with this wheel and that’s a fair point. However, I just want to point out IM history of sweeping critical issues under the rug and leaving vendors and users holding the bag. 

My understanding was the V12 was hollow bore, if it is not, my mistake.  

[evX_Mick]

4 hours ago, Ben Kim said:

It sounds like people WANT IM to succeed with this wheel and that’s a fair point. However, I just want to point out IM history of sweeping critical issues under the rug and leaving vendors and users holding the bag. 

My understanding was the V12 was hollow bore, if it is not, my mistake.  

yeah its not hollow.

[mrelwood]

5 hours ago, Ben Kim said:

However, I just want to point out IM history of sweeping critical issues under the rug and leaving vendors and users holding the bag. 

Wow, that comment really has absolutely zero relation to reality.

When the very first bearing issue on the Z-style bearings came into light, IM stopped the production lines in order to change the bearings into better sealed 2RS ones. They even manually replaced the ones they hadn’t yet shipped from the factory.

The weak saddle brackets that cracked easily were redesigned, and since there were already a lot of wheels sold, they also designed an additional support to be installed on the first design brackets.

 Since some of the first batch of motors with the 2RS bearing had new, different bearing issue, IM changed the provider of the outsourced motor.

Since the original durability issues of the Z-bearings came back even with the new motor provider, they redesigned the motor to use larger 6916 2RS bearings.

I can bet my life in Inmotion being yet again very busy at the moment because they are testing all kinds of things in order to find one that fixes the issues that some riders are having.

 And that was just a few redesigned aspects about the V11 hardware. The control board and software have also gone through several iterations. And then there are the redesigned V10 pedals, V10 overheating issue, V8 tire scrubbing, underpowered V8, etc. All fixed.

No EUC company has ever kept the public informed while they are investigating issues and redesigning their wheels.

And somehow you manage to turn all this in your head into being a “history of sweeping critical issues under the rug”?? That’s a completely new and false view on reality.

Edited March 29, 2021 by mrelwood

[gon2fast]

 

Just now, gon2fast said:

blah blah blah LOL. IM, EVX or whoever needs to release some information since IM said the V12 is supposed to be a April release. 

8 part series... pitter patter! 

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by gon2fast

[evX_Mick]

12 hours ago, VikB said:

They got LOTRs out in only 4 parts and that was 3 long books! 

and the Sopranos had 86 episodes...

Edited March 29, 2021 by evX_Mick

[DjPanJan]

My opinion about Mr. EVX videos is nice to watch but not type content i prefer for select what EUC buy becasue i am numbers person.

I want see overheat hills(or similar test where we see how EUC react in stress condition if/how self protection measurment work)

aceleration test (no need explanation)

climb test if euc can do 25-40 degree or more incline.

Range test

Dissasemble video

What i remember  new thing/test Mr. evX give to comunity is cup test strange/fun test suspension efectivness. And his "incline" climb in some hill in New York (what is one of "scientific" test he do on Evx chanel) and famous shower test 👍🏻

As i say i am numbers person: Simpy example gotway nikola cant go incline 30 = weak for my weight  gotway/begode MSP/RS T can go 40 incline Veteran sherman have problem(dip pedal) on 40 incline is so simply direct compare EUC if this results is known. (and i thing New York city must have somewhere 25 to 40 degree ramps or places) 

Becasue for me rewievs and tests is compare product A vs product B   This is content what i like and prefer.

I have nothing against promo/fancy videos and i not person who say chanel X is beter like chanell Y i like all EUC content from small under 100 subs chanel to biggest one.

EUC is expensive and tests is something what help me money for best price/efectivity.

Mr. Evx is creator  who focus promo/visualstuning videos is logical inmotion select him becasue MDA etc.

I like and watch podcasts he make and watch every video on chanel and i HOPE some scientific test come in next series of V12 videos i stay tuned!

V12 is power euc what is presented(on paper) and i realy want see compare V12 raw power vs MSP RST(any euc on market) in aceleration/inclines becasue if lost is just KS16X with littlebit  more battery. If V12 offer good weatherproof is worth ubgrade from my KS16X(go go shower test🚿 ) .

[FullTilt]

1 hour ago, DjPanJan said:

My opinion about Mr. EVX videos is nice to watch but not type content i prefer for select what EUC buy becasue i am numbers person.

In the world of tech youtube, I bet you'd be a fan of the likes of Linus Tech Tips and Max Tech. There are even smaller more hardcore channels that do nothing but benchmarks. I think we'll start seeing more technical content catered more specifically to more seasoned riders as our market grows. For now, people still wonder how a wheel balances on its own or how hard it is to learn.

If I had to compare, I see "Mr. EVX's" channel as closer to MKBHD. Both in terms of production quality, high level yet accessible tech comparisons, and brevity. Hsiang's channel, reminds me of, and was perhaps even a bit inspired by, Casey Neistat, in terms of storytelling style, use of analogies, and daily/weekly habit forming frequency of uploads. IMHO, they are both great ambassadors of our hobby and are increasing our numbers. We need more breakout videos that keep the element of general appeal like Kuji's Sherman review to spread the word on our hobby.

What I find a waste of time though, both in tech and in EUC youtube, are reviewers that give consistently generally positive reviews that leave you wondering where the reviewer stands in terms of what they really think. Do they like the product? How does it compare to products previously reviewed?

 

[yoos]

news on V12 pricing: ecodrift listed V12 for preorder at 200k₽ (incl. tax), which is 2626$ or 2240€. That is on par with Sherman (205k₽) and EX (200k₽) (both are 10-15% discounted right now). I hope there is serious innovation and/or impeccable build quality in the V12 to justify top pricing or that this is preliminary and will drop later. US and EU prices could be even higher I am afraid. The only specs disclosed on the preorder page are 1750wh, 100V and 70kmh top speed.

[mhpr262]

Ouch

I almost never go faster than maybe 16mph so the top speed of the V12 would be wasted on me. For 1.000€ extra I can build one hell of an external backup battery for my V10F.

[jimjam.nyc]

At that price it would be a tough sell for sure. I guess let's see what it comes in at when official release comes out.

Also curious to see if there are any other features we don't fully know about yet.

[FullTilt]

Dovish Fed even after unprecedented money printing here at home and 10 year yields spiking, global chip and commodity shortage amidst a push to electrify the world's infrastructure, and relocation of manufacturing either back home or to countries like Vietnam, Cambodia and India due to both political tension with and rising labor costs in China. 

Writing was on the wall that macro-economic trends will make wheels more expensive in general going forward. I just didn't expect it this soon.

On the bright side, the most expensive EUC still doesn't hold a candle to the most expensive electric skateboard at $6350 (https://www.kaly.nyc/product-page/xl-r).

Also the Ever Given just got freed and is no longer clogging up the Suez Canal. Yay!

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

(EcoDrift translated to English)

Specificatios:
70kph = 43.5 MPH
1,750 Watt*Hours, 100 Volts

Price: RUB 200,000 = ~$2,640 USD (converted, not a U.S. selling price) -> ~$3,125 USD
(Sherman Comparison: RUB 204,900 = ~@2,700 USD, so the U.S. can expect the V12 to cost ~$3,125)
(Sherman: 20" wheel, 100V, 3,200Wh, 2,500W motor, 45 MPH, 128 mile range, 77lbs (35kg), $3,200)
(V12: 18" wheel, 100V, ~2,500W motor (expected), 1,750Wh, 44MPH, ~70 mile range (113km), 64lbs (29kg))

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by WI_Hedgehog

[mhpr262]

A 16'' wheel without suspension and a battery smaller than 2.000Wh will never sell for more than $3.000 US, no matter how fast and no matter how many volts its battery has. It will be sold for under $2.500 for sure.

[mike_bike_kite]

1 hour ago, yoos said:

news on V12 pricing: ecodrift listed V12 for preorder at 200k₽ (incl. tax), which is 2626$ or 2240€.

That's me out then and we're not even at episode 2 of Mick's advertising series  

I'd of thought if you're bring in a competitor to the Nikola+ then it would be wise to at least match the price. The wheel looks fairly decent in the photo above but why would I want to pay that much for a wheel that goes way faster then I'd ever want to go? And why would those obsessed with speed want to buy a wheel that goes slower than the Sherman? 

[Kekafuch]

1 hour ago, mike_bike_kite said:

That's me out then and we're not even at episode 2 of Mick's advertising series  

I'd of thought if you're bring in a competitor to the Nikola+ then it would be wise to at least match the price. The wheel looks fairly decent in the photo above but why would I want to pay that much for a wheel that goes way faster then I'd ever want to go? And why would those obsessed with speed want to buy a wheel that goes slower than the Sherman? 

Maybe it comes with accessories like spiked pedal inserts, power pads, seat, grocery cart, smart watch, adjustable pedal height, certified fast charging capability in 15 mins to 80% ... 

The V12 likely has some surprises in firmware for driver profiles that can be felt. Maybe braking and traction controls. If they really put an effort on robustness and durability, even $5000 is not unheard for something this “capable.” 
 

End of the day, battery consortium has transport industry cornered. Add the tech companies and prices aren’t going down but likely to increase.