INMOTION V12 (pre-release)

[meepmeepmayer]

It's compact and looks robust and crash-proof. Not sure why some people are complaining about the looks.

Also 70kph rated is crazy high, especially for Inmotion. And that touchscreen surely beats the Sherman. It apparently has a real waterproofing concept!

What else do some even want, realistically? If those aren't enough innovations...

[Pev junkie]

My only disappointment is it being a 16" wheel. Would have much preferred a 19" like the RS. But guess will have to see how it rides

[houseofjob]

4 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

What else do some even want, realistically? If those aren't enough innovations...

Ooh ooh, me me! :

1. Significantly bigger heatsink, like the whole damn undershell is completely heatsink, ala Z10, the wheel is damn heavy anyways.

2. Big fat bus bar columns for MOSFET row (ala Tesla Car controller) so all the power isn’t coming into one point contact on the board, the reason why we see when MOSFET blows, it usually blows out at the XT60 or XT90 connect, taking out the TO247 nearest it, along with any capacitor(s) nearby.

3. Active cooling ala Tesla Car.

4. Idleing fanning, since many issues are caused by post-ride, wind doesn’t seep into the body and cool the FETs since no riding.

5. Adjustable, pin-locked pedal height positioning.

6. Glove compartment, better tall shell to act as seat with glove compartment.

[Sushiroller]

What a sleek and beautiful wheel. 

[conecones]

Kind of disappointed they went with the 16" wheel and the battery size and I've got to question the reasoning behind this. V12 is only competing with one other product now: Nikola+ and there isn't a whole lot wrong with that wheel to begin with. Maybe it's due to how well the KS16X sold? Pricing wise it would great if they could keep it at $2000 USD but I have a feeling with this fluff technology like the touchscreen and fancy headlight its going to be higher to differentiate from V10F and at that point, it going to be the same if not more expensive than the 18" MSX/RS which is what I think this wheel should be competing against. 

If they went with 2700 WH battery, it could have been a more interesting contender especially with this speed spec (higher speed for longer compared to other 1800 WH 18" offerings).

[Resko727]

1. I might be the odd ball but I think looks pretty good. Seems like screens are going to become more common and I think that a good thing. Either way just happy to have more options.

[meepmeepmayer]

Nikola and 16X are old (and the latter is slow), and now Inmotion has a competitor which they didn't have before. Seems logical to me. The only way this can go wrong is if the price is too high imho.

They already have a 18/19 inch wheel, the V11. Why would they build another? As a more performance/extreme alternative to the commuter V11?

1 hour ago, houseofjob said:

Active cooling ala Tesla Car.

For what? It has a fan already (presumably). Or do you mean for the battery? In that case: f**k no!! We don't need unnecessarily complicated stufff. Passive cooling would be ideal, no fan noise.

[Zopper]

1 hour ago, houseofjob said:

4. Idleing fanning, since many issues are caused by post-ride, wind doesn’t seep into the body and cool the FETs since no riding.

Actually, even V10 does that. The first time it happened, when I turned it off and it kept whining, made me WTF.

And about the display - I don't see anywhere officially mentioned if it is capacitive. It's "touch screen." So it could be resistive touch screen. Which would mean no issues with water, gloves, etc. OTH, it would be more susceptible to damage, because resistive displays can't have a hard, protective glass on top.

[mike_bike_kite]

The issue for Inmotion is that the Nikola offers almost everything that this wheel offers and that limits what they can charge. Sure, the Inmotion may well be well built but so is the Nikola. The Inmotion might be a few mph faster but there aren't many who can full use the speed on the 100v Nikola let alone this wheel. How much extra would you pay for a better tail light and an inbuilt stand? The Nik also has the cool glowing number on the side  

Active cooling can be pretty simple - you just need a tube running through each battery then you blow air through it. The same air could be used to cool the mosphets etc. The "idle fanning" seems like a good idea especially if linked to an alarm that warned you that your house might about to go up in flames.

Maybe it's just me but the V12 just looks like a wasted opportunity to me.

[Asphalt]

3 hours ago, WaveCut said:

Two different drive modes: Commuting and Off-road

I wonder what the differences are?

My guess would be that Commuting offers a higher top-speed (70 km/h) due to assumed air-flow for cooling the heat-sinks. Off-road might imply lower-speed high-torque requirements, so they might limit the top speed (60 km/h) to account for the reduced air-flow heat dissipation - maybe the fan kicks in sooner too?

[Ádám Szitás]

6 minutes ago, Asphalt said:

Two different drive modes: Commuting and Off-road

I wonder what the differences are?

My guess would be that Commuting offers a higher top-speed (70 km/h) due to assumed air-flow for cooling the heat-sinks. Off-road might imply lower-speed high-torque requirements, so they might limit the top speed (60 km/h) to account for the reduced air-flow heat dissipation - maybe the fan kicks in sooner too?

It is just the equalient of the soft and hard modes kinda. all IM wheels have this.

[xSAMCOx]

I kinda like it  at the first look i was wtf is this but looking more it grown on me already.

[jimjam.nyc]

35 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

The issue for Inmotion is that the Nikola offers almost everything that this wheel offers and that limits what they can charge. Sure, the Inmotion may well be well built but so is the Nikola. The Inmotion might be a few mph faster but there aren't many who can full use the speed on the 100v Nikola let alone this wheel. How much extra would you pay for a better tail light and an inbuilt stand? The Nik also has the cool glowing number on the side  

Active cooling can be pretty simple - you just need a tube running through each battery then you blow air through it. The same air could be used to cool the mosphets etc. The "idle fanning" seems like a good idea especially if linked to an alarm that warned you that your house might about to go up in flames.

Maybe it's just me but the V12 just looks like a wasted opportunity to me.

This is kind of where i am at as well right now.. but to me its worth the wait to see if v12 has anything kind of hidden up its sleeve.. I just hope these things like screen and headlight stuff isnt just a trojan horse to charge 3k for a 2k wheel. 

 

57 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Nikola and 16X are old (and the latter is slow), and now Inmotion has a competitor which they didn't have before. Seems logical to me. The only way this can go wrong is if the price is too high imho.

 

The nikola and 16x may be old.. but you can buy a speced out nikola+ right now with bigger battery and pretty close to the same top speed.. So old or not.. its still very samey feeling.. minus the screen and some other caveats. 

16x while its old and some may consider it slow.. its still a pretty awesome range wheel for urban exploring/commuting.. I have a 16x, i love it.. but i am ready for something with some more headroom for sure.. The range on that wheel though will always be something that stops me from jumping the gun.. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by jimjam.nyc

[Zopper]

22 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

The issue for Inmotion is that the Nikola offers almost everything that this wheel offers and that limits what they can charge. Sure, the Inmotion may well be well built but so is the Nikola. The Inmotion might be a few mph faster but there aren't many who can full use the speed on the 100v Nikola let alone this wheel. How much extra would you pay for a better tail light and an inbuilt stand? The Nik also has the cool glowing number on the side  

Well, what about the people who bought V10F instead of Tesla (and want more speed)?

I would have think about buying V12, if I didn't buy an MC last year. Now I will probably stay with a V10F for some time.  I simply don't trust Begode with waterproofing (it's my primary commuting mode, so I use it no matter whether it's a heavy rain or snow or whatever) and I don't like Begode's approach to safety and build quality. In my opinion (you can have a different one), Begode is cutting the costs too much. And I don't want LockSong. So I see this as "finally a fast wheel I can trust."

But we need to hear the price before this can get out of "ifs".

[GoGeorgeGo]

43 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

The issue for Inmotion is that the Nikola offers almost everything that this wheel offers and that limits what they can charge. Sure, the Inmotion may well be well built but so is the Nikola. The Inmotion might be a few mph faster but there aren't many who can full use the speed on the 100v Nikola let alone this wheel. How much extra would you pay for a better tail light and an inbuilt stand? The Nik also has the cool glowing number on the side  

Active cooling can be pretty simple - you just need a tube running through each battery then you blow air through it. The same air could be used to cool the mosphets etc. The "idle fanning" seems like a good idea especially if linked to an alarm that warned you that your house might about to go up in flames.

Maybe it's just me but the V12 just looks like a wasted opportunity to me.

Gotta disagree a little here, waterproof batteries is a HUGE upgrade. Also an automatic "smart" headlight is an industry first, the nikola light is aweful. And the touchscreen is an awesome creature comfort.

But just looking at the inside of the wheel is where the difference is so apparent. The v12 looks like someone spent time and money creating a well designed piece of technology. The inside of the nikola looks like a rats nest of wires leading to shrink wrapped batteries glued to a plastic shell lol

Although that said, it needs to come in at ~2400$ to remain in the Nikola/16x/RS category. If it comes in over 2500$ it will not be that big of a market disruptor

Edited March 16, 2021 by GoGeorgeGo

[Waulnut]

9 minutes ago, Zopper said:

I don't like Begode's approach to safety and build quality.

Big reason I have my eyes on v12. If price is okay, I might offload my RS for peace of mind

[Ádám Szitás]

4 minutes ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

automatic "smart" headlight is an industry first

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just a kingsong type light sensor when the light turns on and off? If you look at the picture closely, you can actually see that not all 4 are lights, on one side those look like light sensors.

[jimjam.nyc]

i just hope if you want this thing.. you don't have to wait 18 months to get it .. just to find out the v13 is coming next week lol.

or you are lucky enough to get it.. then a rev2 is coming with much needed fixes.. 

That cycle of craziness has to stop. If i bought a v11 right now.. I would be a little annoyed with the cycle of release and availability right now. 

and yes i know they are two different segments of markets for wheels.. but still, they kept what v12 was kind of secret.. people may have jumped on v11 just to find out the v12 was more their speed.. (no pun) 

 

 

[Ádám Szitás]

Just now, jimjam.nyc said:

just to find out the v13 is coming next week lol.

if that is true, then the v13 is also coming 18 months later, so does this really matter?

[GoGeorgeGo]

Just now, Ádám Szitás said:

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just a kingsong type light sensor when the light turns on and off? If you look at the picture closely, you can actually see that not all 4 are lights, on one side those look like light sensors.

It says it will adjust according to speed, which i interpreted as meaning it will elevate its angle as you increase speeds so as to illuminate more of the area infront of you. Its a problem on the v11 , if you go even 15 mph the light just buries into the ground and you can hardly see 10 feet infront of you. We need testers to actually confirm that the headlight does what i think it does but that is how i read the light functioning

[Ádám Szitás]

4 minutes ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

It says it will adjust according to speed, which i interpreted as meaning it will elevate its angle as you increase speeds so as to illuminate more of the area infront of you. Its a problem on the v11 , if you go even 15 mph the light just buries into the ground and you can hardly see 10 feet infront of you. We need testers to actually confirm that the headlight does what i think it does but that is how i read the light functioning

yes, just like kingsong, if you go below 10kph it will not turn on the high beam and if you not moving the low beam will also get reduced, so it is based on speed, and based on ambient light if it turns on at all. I think this is exactly the same and not the way you think

Edited March 16, 2021 by Ádám Szitás

[Zopper]

6 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said:

i just hope if you want this thing.. you don't have to wait 18 months to get it .. just to find out the v13 is coming next week lol.

Oh you summer child... It doesn't matter whether it's an EUC, a phone, or a car. There is always something new "just behind the corner." If I were to buy V12, I would probably wait for early Spring 2022 - I probably got old because now I hate being early adopter.

[xiiijojjo]

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It doesn't matter whether it's an EUC, a phone, or a car. There is always something new "just behind the corner." If I were to buy V12, I would probably wait for early Spring 2022 - I probably got old because now I hate being early adopter.

The endless capitalist cycle. 
When it comes to buying euc there are 2 prevalent philosophies 

1. Most people on this forum: First mover mentality - Mo' newah = Mo' bettah - Mo' speed - Mo' features (that needs testing) etc. This results in this type of buyer essentially paying for the privilege of owning a beta tester wheel. Within a year or two this pool of testers will have provided enough feedback that revisions to the original beta tester wheel will have worked out a majority of bugs and issues. 

2. Minority on this forum: Revision v3-v5 movers who buy after 1-2 years of development and fixes - They get a product more similar to the original advertised wheel with 80-90% of issues having been addressed - reduced price and possibility for buying cheaper used versions (where many issues have been manually fixed by previous owner)  If more people joined this group in the long term it could potentially affect how much in-house testing is being done to increase the amounts of first movers.

21 minutes ago, Waulnut said:

Big reason I have my eyes on v12. If price is okay, I might offload my RS for peace of mind

I completely resonate with that line of thinking. If the V12 had turned out slightly different looking and with an Msuper/RS trolley handle and gotwayesque firmware (no pedal raising, and 80% beeps) i'd swap my RS over today and even pay the difference it if turns out more expensive that the RS. 

Going from Msuper v3 18" to Tesla v1 16" was a game changer for city commuting and going back to a 19" RS i felt like i gained a bunch of weight and lost a lot of agility... Nimbleness, i don't have the same minute accuracy i did with the 16" nor the immediate ability to precisely error correct. I still like this wheel but would much prefer having a 16" main euc and a sherman with hollow bore for longer trips. Oh and an mten3 for fun.

I'd also love for Gotway to make quality products and wish for an endless supply of money to fuel my hedonism but we all have to settle at some point... 

Any price speculation? I'm thinking somewhere between Nikola and RS price

Edited March 16, 2021 by xiiijojjo

[jimjam.nyc]

2 minutes ago, Zopper said:

Oh you summer child... It doesn't matter whether it's an EUC, a phone, or a car. There is always something new "just behind the corner." If I were to buy V12, I would probably wait for early Spring 2022 - I probably got old because now I hate being early adopter.

 I know, i know.. I waited out the last batch of suspension wheels for the same reason.. I am happy i did.. but i feel like these things are getting expensive enough and mature enough now that some of the guess work of being an early adopter can be minimized.. Wishful thinking i know! 

I get all hyped up.. then reality sets in.... and you dont want to jump the gun... then the cycle repeats.. 

Hell nevermind.. i guess that is the EXACT point of all of this 

[HarpMudd]

This thread is heating up. Reminds me of the anticipation behind the 16x before it came out.  Mickey's timed 8-episode V12 movie series will surely feed the hype!