electric_vehicle_lover Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @Mystamo If I understand you correctly, you care that some companies can use your board and still have patents. I wouldn't bother with that as hardware is very simple "to copy" or have as reference, when developing other board. In practice, I think the license of such a board and schematic is useless as a company can copy it quickly and easily. I think you and everyone win more if we share most possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardmech Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 2 hours ago, electric_vehicle_lover said: @Mystamo If I understand you correctly, you care that some companies can use your board and still have patents. I wouldn't bother with that as hardware is very simple "to copy" or have as reference, when developing other board. In practice, I think the license of such a board and schematic is useless as a company can copy it quickly and easily. I think you and everyone win more if we share most possible. I don't mind if everyone uses it, my only concern is if there's an easy way to make self balancing and other small electric vehicles you might get even more American startups patent trolling. It would be annoying if at CES 2017 you have another round of CA based startups attacking other brands only to find out they used open source parts to build their own concept models. I think many other large open source projects have clauses to stop patent trolls exploiting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric_vehicle_lover Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I think that to have a patent is needed to consider the state of the art. If we share most possible, I hope this will be part of the state of the art and so no one be able to patent. I believe the most we share and improve the technology, the more advanced it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverH Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Technology is one part. The big part with skills is the certification/ safety part. If you read the latest news of the European Union with workgroup CEN/TC 354/WG 4. There will be much more safety targets to reach to just import them in future - not talking on street legal that's an other level. Let copy the stuff who likes to copy it. The copy cat still needs skills not available on site to use the technology to get products through customs in the western world. Either we see mind changes in China or we see new EU companies emerge in Europe, USA, Australia/ New-Sealand, Japan, Taiwan and so on. With this countries you can discuss on patent fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardmech Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 You don't need to patent it, just use the right license. GPL3 looks suitable, I was looking at how some other open source companies structured things, lulzbot 3d printers use GPL3 hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystamo Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not sure why my name was referenced. I don't care for licenses and such. This is just open sourced knowledge I hope anyone can share and use. If you want to sell things and make a business out of it. By all means. Design your own stuff and go see a lawyer. For me. Share share share. Keep open. Ive been slacking to finish the rev 2 board schematics. I hope it can be used as a reference for repair and. Custom firmware. Hopefully finish this week. Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric_vehicle_lover Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 @Mystamo if you don't put your source files on github with a GPL license, I will have no interest on this project as I don't consider it OpenSource. I must say that chinese board are really cheap and easy to buy. Any other board from a "small" project will be more expensive and I don't see a reason to pay more if the board isn't really OpenSource. Good luck with your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Extreme Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 If this is the efficient than any other so far, does not matter, although it is more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berus Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 10:59 AM, electric_vehicle_lover said: @Mystamo if you don't put your source files on github with a GPL license, I will have no interest on this project as I don't consider it OpenSource. I must say that chinese board are really cheap and easy to buy. Any other board from a "small" project will be more expensive and I don't see a reason to pay more if the board isn't really OpenSource. Good luck with your project. @electric_vehicle_lover maybe a misunderstand ? @Mystamao said "share share share keep open" and lizardamech sugggest gpl3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystamo Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 CRAP!.,. I realized I never ended up posting the schematics for the 304B board from microworks.. How crappy of me. What a waste of my time :D Any value in it anymore? Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Extreme Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I'm waiting for something concrete. I have no alternative to getting a fast and durable PCB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARetardedPillow Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 12/16/2015 at 7:45 AM, lizardmech said: I'm trying to get one produced in china. I'm waiting for them to get back to me with a price estimate and feedback from their engineers. If that fails my other plan is to adapt this project to EUC use. Its already 90% perfect for the job, it just needs a MPU6050, a few more ports that the EUC use and few components changed to allow 100V support for ebikes and 67V EUC. I don't think it's layout is suited to mass production so the thing holding me back is a new layout to take to a PCB factory. Currently I would have to rely on freelance engineers from china or russia if I want to modify this one. http://vedder.se/2015/01/vesc-open-source-esc/ Is this based off of the VESC? I don't know too much about electronics but I very much support this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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