enaon Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, iCafe said: Yes, this S20 disaster was a waking call, also the recent elevator fire. We need at least, some heavy, firesafe pouch/ hat to cover our euc overnight. This will contain projectiles and open flames, but let the fumes and gases out. Store EUC near easy-open doors/ windows for emergency ventilation. how does a fire bag addresses the concerns the elevator fire brought? Are we going to have a fire bag handy at any time? we have already two out of 10 Sherman og (in Athens) stalling and overheating out of control due to what seem like accelerometer bug, so the solution is to find those bugs, not use bags I think. A recall on all gotway battery packs, not just ewheel's ones, that are known to be able to self ignite will also help I think. Edited September 17, 2022 by enaon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, iCafe said: also the recent elevator fire. Link ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post 360rumors Posted September 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) I use a steel trash can to cover my RS19. Around $34 at Home Depot https://www.homedepot.com/p/Behrens-31-Gal-Galvanized-Steel-Round-Trash-Can-with-Lid-1270/100202118 Edited September 18, 2022 by 360rumors 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, 360rumors said: I use a steel trash can to cover my RS19. Around $34 at Home Depot https://www.homedepot.com/p/Behrens-31-Gal-Galvanized-Steel-Round-Trash-Can-with-Lid-1270/100202118 I really like this idea, easy and it'll buy time. Two things though: The cardboard... Heated galvanized steel also releases bad-for-you gasses, so put a smoke detector near it and get everyone tf out of the house as quickly as you can. Edited September 18, 2022 by Tawpie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, 360rumors said: I use a steel trash can to cover my RS19. Around $34 at Home Depot https://www.homedepot.com/p/Behrens-31-Gal-Galvanized-Steel-Round-Trash-Can-with-Lid-1270/100202118 That is genius Proper out of the box, or should I say 'within the bin' thinking ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360rumors Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Tawpie said: I really like this idea, easy and it'll buy time. Two things though: The cardboard... Heated galvanized steel also releases bad-for-you gasses, so put a smoke detector near it and get everyone tf out of the house as quickly as you can. Thanks. This is in our garage, which is not directly connected to our house. Yes smoke detector is a great idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
360rumors Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Cerbera said: That is genius Proper out of the box, or should I say 'within the bin' thinking ! Lol thanks! I have many crackpot ideas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Here's my setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) @GoGeorgeGo's new test video shows a different kind of fire... After a few hours of charging, the pack suddenly entered thermal runaway from multiple cells at once. It's just too much volume of flammable gas for the fiberglass bag to contain- the jets of flame will be large and far-reaching. Best suited to slow fires, then. Edited September 26, 2022 by RagingGrandpa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bracky72 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Wow the firesack completely failed. Perhaps the creator should have done a similar test before selling it to the community with promises of safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) The fire also is the worst if it happens at 100% charge. That's why i like to store my wheels closer to ~50%. If i don't ride for a week. Or the state of charge doesn't change a thing how it will burn? I at least think at lower charge it has less of the gases and what not? Wrong/Right? 5 minutes ago, bracky72 said: Wow the firesack completely failed. Perhaps the creator should have done a similar test before selling it to the community with promises of safety. For smaller wheels i think it still would work: ks16s, v8/10, mten3, so on. Big wheels - never. Medium/Large bags should be removed! Edited September 26, 2022 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Funky said: For smaller wheels i think it still world work ks16s, v8/10, mten3, so on. the first explosion was half the battery, the other half exploded 5 minutes later (19 min). This bag is good for moving the barbeque around, not containing lithium fires. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, enaon said: the first explosion was half the battery, the other half exploded 5 minutes later (19 min). This bag is good for moving the barbeque around, not containing lithium fires. Yes, but how big was the packs??? Wh? (I don't know that wheel.) Edited September 26, 2022 by Funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) it looks like a monster v3, 2x900 packs. he also said it is custom, maybe more Edited September 26, 2022 by enaon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 @Archee Jan Bloch said: Aliexpress Loomo Monster V3, 3108 wh https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/posts/5472382209526364/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 the s20 fire showcased that lithium fires cannot be "contained". The s20'w metal casing was better than a bag, yet it only needed a small opening to transform to a flamethrower. I was a bit annoyed to be honest by the promotion of this bag, I had to explain to my friends that if one feels safe because he owns one, he is bordering stupid land. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Archee Jan Bloch Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) I will elaborate a bit on this This is Loomo V3 Monster with about 25000 Miles on it.. I didn't use it at much.. i took it for spin for about 20 minutes and noticed the tire is low.. It slipped and felt partially to side of a pond.. not fully submerged.. on the non mainboard side I knew there is a big risk and I did open it and it was wet but cells were in pouch, siliconed so water seemed not to get to the actual cells>> If you know how the loomo is setup iti's 24S7 p split at 12s and 12s 4p on one side then 20S3p on the other and wire runs to the other side where there is additional 4S3P so lot of connections where shit can go wrong I could easily just toss the cells but I also thought maybe we can charge it up, leave it outside and ride it in the sak and just keep charging it outdoor.. as this was outdoor From the video you see what happened.. it doesn't matter what wheel you have, if it gets to the point where one pack is on fire, you are not stopping it.. at least not with this. I have experienced now about 6 EUC fires, 4 first hand.. I know it's fast.. you have to react fast and me buying 5 firesaks was to deal with my PTSD after one of these fires at home. This was supposed to be the solution to it. As of the allegation I have something against ginger and this is staged and some personal vendetta .. simply, I don't know who Ginger is.. I saw his video and I thought wow great product.. let me buy it.. he was out of stock till like 1 month ago so I bought 5... I didn't open it . because Jason had one that he wanted me to bring with us to charge the wheel. The idea having the sak there was more as a backup if shit goes wrong and to carry the shit intact in case there is fire.. I emailed Ginger after and I even ask if Firesak is his company as that was not clear to me.. He wrote back yes.. I sent him video and told me it's catastrophic failures.. I responded in manner how can he be selling this to people who believe this will prevent the house loss .. he responded he never tested on big wheel like this.. and I'm like wtf.. why do you sell it then.. but ok.. the thing is that even after 2 weeks having the fire and him knowing it there is nothing written on his page.. hey the product doesn't work.. we are working on different version.. he keeps selling it. The only thing he changed there is saying only for saks 2000WAH.. which is ironic because the fire started on a side that is 20S4P Each cell is about 3.7V nominal and these are 5000mA which is about 1450 WAH .. that is the where the wheel was and that's where the flames started to come out.. So he keeps selling it even still as false advertising.. I requested full refund, I got in about week but I still advice people not to buy it.. If he changes the material and does proper test.. I would give it a try.. Again.. i don't have anything against him personally but I do have a lot against the practice he is doing. If someone is willing to put entire wheel, including plastic, foam, tire inside new sak and burn it, I'm happy to give it another chance.. Ginger as owner of a company demonstrating product that is supposed to work is not much credible.. I didn't know he was.. hence I asked him. .then the rest is history.. This not about Archee against Ginger.. it's more about if you put your wheel into the Firesak, does that give you enough time to get it out of the house.. as it is advertise like so.. and from my unfortunate experience .. it is not. https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-3ow3paxC/ Edited September 26, 2022 by Archee Jan Bloch 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archee Jan Bloch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 48 minutes ago, bracky72 said: Wow the firesack completely failed. Perhaps the creator should have done a similar test before selling it to the community with promises of safety. he wrote me he didn't...not sure why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enaon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) the dude made a test where he took a bag that was supposed to have a lithium battery still burning inside, and placed it in his car. This alone should warn you that he is pulling your leg. Thanks for the test. Edited September 26, 2022 by enaon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, enaon said: the s20 fire showcased that lithium fires cannot be "contained". The s20'w metal casing was better than a bag, yet it only needed a small opening to transform to a flamethrower. I was a bit annoyed to be honest by the promotion of this bag, I had to explain to my friends that if one feels safe because he owns one, he is bordering stupid land. Yeah those bags really don't do much.. Even simple metal box would work much better. As for S20 it was like a flamethrower - because of those casings. Top was blown open and then it acted like a metal pipe pushing all flames out at top. Directed all flames one way. Edited September 26, 2022 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Archee Jan Bloch said: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-3ow3paxC/ Nice 2nd camera angle. I see the fiberglass bag did stay intact for the biggest part of the fire... just that the jets of fire from the two side vents were so enormous, that it doesn't seem to matter that the EUC stayed inside the bag. And burning debris was blown out the vents. Violent. Perhaps we could at least appreciate that the community is making progress in the area of fire safety?? More information is good! 16 minutes ago, Funky said: Even simple metal box would work much better. I own a metal box (and enjoyed seeing your project too)... But the rate of energy release here makes me have doubts about a cabinet being effective at preventing other things in the room from being ignited. Those burning bits flew long distances. Edited September 26, 2022 by RagingGrandpa 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archee Jan Bloch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said: Nice 2nd camera angle. I see the fiberglass bag did stay intact for the biggest part of the fire... just that the jets of fire from the two side vents were so enormous, that it doesn't seem to matter that the EUC stayed inside the bag. And burning debris was blown out the vents. Violent. Perhaps we could at least appreciate that the community is making progress in the area of fire safety?? More information is good! I own a metal box (and enjoyed seeing your project too)... But the rate of energy release here makes me have doubts about a cabinet being effective at preventing other things in the room from being ignited. Those burning bits flew long distances. actually the failure came from Zippers .. the vents let flames out but the zippers failed totally they changed the Capacity after either today's video or my initial message to him about the product being failure but as always, people only don quick fix and he forgot to change the photo as it still shows big boys wheels that is supposed to protect... yeah all except the RS are over 2000WAH jeez 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Great test, thanks for doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enaon Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Archee Jan Bloch said: they changed the Capacity after either today's video your wheel made two explosions 4 minutes apart, of almost equal size, say 1500wh each. Sure it can handle 2000wh wheel, as long as the cells show good sportsmanship and explode one at a time. Edited September 26, 2022 by enaon 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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